Report: iPhone 4S not selling well in parts of Europe

Apple's iPhone 4S enjoyed record sales in the US and other parts of the world when it launched in October. That sales success has not translated to every country, at least according to a new research report. Reuters reports that the research firm Kantar Worldpanel ComTech claims that in some European territories the market share of the iPhone has gone down in favor of devices that use Google's Android operating system.

The report claims that in France, the market share of the iPhone has gone down from 29 percent to 20 percent in the 12 week period that ended in late November. In Germany, the market share for the iPhone went down from 27 percent to 22 percent in the same time period. It also claims that similar market share drops occurred in Spain and in Italy.

All of those countries are currently dealing with a massive economic crisis that is affecting all of Europe. The report claims that as a result, consumers are holding off on making large purchases due to the economic issues.

Android phones, many of which are much cheaper than the iPhone 4S, are becoming more popular in those countries. The report claims that in Germany, Android-based devices have now achieved 61 percent market share in smartphones.

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Well if Siri doen't work well or at all in some territories and they don't have carrer subsidized devices to drive the upfront cost way down, then it really shouldn't be a surprise why it's not selling so well compared to comparably capable lower-cost Android devices.

Btw, it is not seeling that much because everyone already have an iPhone 4.
Most ppl got it on 2 years contract and wont update till the next release.

Krpano said,
Btw, it is not seeling that much because everyone already have an iPhone 4.
Most ppl got it on 2 years contract and wont update till the next release.

Some though have purchased a 3GS well into 2010 so their contracts are also expiring as it was pre-iphone4. However, I will just be keeping the 3GS for the time being. It's not a large upgrade over my daily use.

It may have been different if the 3GS didn't support IOS5...

ericnkatz said,
Mine was stolen in Rome, Italy - so that's atleast one person that didn't need to buy one.

That sucks, the same happen to my ex-wife in Italy

Previously I had an iPhone but now I have a Samsung Galaxy S II, simply because, as far as I'm concerned, its the best smartphone available. I was tired of the OS, of iTunes and wanted something that I felt was better. I'm not alone either, in my small corner of the world, many of my work colleagues, friends and family have left the Apple world and opted for an Android one.

In my workplace, and amongst my friends too, they feel the opposite. A few have recently got Androids, but wish they have got an iPhone (usually down to cost as most Android phones are free on low-monthly contracts). When i'm on my way to work, the most common phone I see is an iPhone 4/4S.

I love how if there is a hint of iPhone or any Apple product not selling well its due to "economic factors" whereas if there is a hint of a Samsung/HTC phone not selling its due to "consumers not liking it" or something like that.

FYI, in France, the main problems are not marketing nor the crisis or even ppl not being interested in the 4S :
Until about 3-4 weeks ago the iPhone 4S was simply not available in Apple retail stores without pre-reservation, and even then, it was hard to get your hands on one, they were literally flying off the shelves as soon as the stores were receiving them (took me two weeks to get one in advance for my GF's B-day, I had to call in a favor from a couple friends in one of Apple's retail stores).
When it comes to phones sold on contract by Telcos, the problem was the same, mainly on lower priced models. They'd have them in stock for 2 days, be it in retail stores or online, and then they went out of stock for the rest of the week.

From my personal experience, I have never seen as few 3GS's on the streets as lately, lots of ppl are getting new contracts or renewing with either a 4 or a 4S, easily half the ppl I see with a smartphone have an iPhone 4/4S in hand.

Just FYI, the USA is dealing with economic crisis too. The difference is, in other countries, people have real life priorities. They aren't crazy sheep-ple who have to have the next new iPhone, that really isn't new at all.

And with cheaper options like Android or Windows Phone that sport new technologies at a lower cost, who needs an iPhone.

I have only own 2 iPhone's. The 4 and now 4S. I was planning to dump iPhone this year and get a Windows Phone and just get a 64GB iPod Touch. But since Apple didn't update the latest Touch with dual-core and a better camera, I felt it wasn't worth the cost. Since the iPod was 399, and it was only going to cost me 399 for the phone, I stuck with the phone.

Apple could of put Siri on the iPhone 4 at the beginning...they just chose not to since they were advertising that as the main feature on the 4s and wanted to increase 4s sales. Marketing/sales tactic. And I wouldn't buy a product for one simple feature like that anyway.

techbeck said,
Apple could of put Siri on the iPhone 4 at the beginning...they just chose not to since they were advertising that as the main feature on the 4s and wanted to increase 4s sales. Marketing/sales tactic. And I wouldn't buy a product for one simple feature like that anyway.

Makes sense as a marketing tactic, as too many people don't seem to understand the technology in the device or the operating system. People would have just dismissed the 4S completely because it didn't look different enough than the last phone. Pushing Siri is a great way to alert the "less knowledgeable" that the 4S is in fact, different than a 4.

Same with the 3GS. People didn't seem to understand the completely new architecture inside the device, so Apple showed off the silly Compass and Voice controls (Siri lite). The insides of the 3GS were HUGE over the 3G, and the insides of the 4S are huge over the 4.

I honestly don't know why you would upgrade from a 4 to a 4s... I imagine a lot of people are waiting for 5, especially in the economic environment...

I'm a little surprised though that people would be switching to Android... That implies a phone purchase, so I reason that it's not about that after all... And I thought Apple fans were a bit more faithful...

M_Lyons10 said,
I honestly don't know why you would upgrade from a 4 to a 4s... I imagine a lot of people are waiting for 5, especially in the economic environment...

I'm a little surprised though that people would be switching to Android... That implies a phone purchase, so I reason that it's not about that after all... And I thought Apple fans were a bit more faithful...


Most people with Apple products are not real Apple fans though. They just buy them based on the marketing and the fact that Apple fans recommend them. They do not have that special relationship with Apple like the true fans have.

All speculation on my part of course but seems likely.

Zkal said,

Most people with Apple products are not real Apple fans though. They just buy them based on the marketing and the fact that Apple fans recommend them. They do not have that special relationship with Apple like the true fans have.

All speculation on my part of course but seems likely.

I'm not a huge fan of Apple, and I still don't like their computers or Desktop OS. I buy their phones because they were the best when they came out, and are still the best now. It doesn't matter if "other" phones come with huge 4.5" screens, they don't have iOS. That has all the corporate, professional support I need. Blackberry offers me nothing, and Android (certainly 1.x through 3.x) is a complete joke.

Apple is in the process of underestimating their own influence. SIRI does NOT work as advertised and is NO reason to upgrade. They are about to let Android in the front door in a similar fashion that MS let Apple in the front door. Love competition. Dislike Apple, can't stand Google, go MS! I'm rooting for the underdog!

jimmyfal said,
Apple is in the process of underestimating their own influence. SIRI does NOT work as advertised and is NO reason to upgrade. They are about to let Android in the front door in a similar fashion that MS let Apple in the front door. Love competition. Dislike Apple, can't stand Google, go MS! I'm rooting for the underdog!

Actually Siri works great. Aslong as you talk to it in a language it works with such as English, French or German.

jimmyfal said,
Apple is in the process of underestimating their own influence. SIRI does NOT work as advertised and is NO reason to upgrade. They are about to let Android in the front door in a similar fashion that MS let Apple in the front door. Love competition. Dislike Apple, can't stand Google, go MS! I'm rooting for the underdog!

So much fail in this post...
Siri works great, so either you haven't ever used it, or don't know how to push a button and talk...

jimmyfal said,
Apple is in the process of underestimating their own influence. SIRI does NOT work as advertised and is NO reason to upgrade. They are about to let Android in the front door in a similar fashion that MS let Apple in the front door. Love competition. Dislike Apple, can't stand Google, go MS! I'm rooting for the underdog!

So much fail in this post...
Siri works great, so either you haven't ever used it, or don't know how to push a button and talk...

Astra.Xtreme said,

So much fail in this post...
Siri works great, so either you haven't ever used it, or don't know how to push a button and talk...

Its works great as long as you speak normal English, and the other 2 languages it supports.

It onlu works in the USA, it can't undertsnad certain context of speech and it can't understand words said with heavy accents. No software actually has even been able too.

I have an iPhone 4S..I used Siri at this point 3 times for something other than just playign with it to see what stupid answer I would get.

It is a useless, unpractical, gimmicky feature.
Apple was 2 years behind in hardware and needed a gimmick to market the new phone. Everyone else has dual core, since most phone have unlimited storage, 64Gb isn't that big of a deal. I can but 32 additional GB's for $25 which is $75 less than what Apple charges for it.

With Android I an get a bigger phone, better faster camera as high as 12MP, more storage, NFC, 4G and more for only $599...I can even get better headphones too...note HTC phone using Beat Audio by Dr Dre

TechieXP said,

I have an iPhone 4S..

With Android I an get a bigger phone, better faster camera as high as 12MP, more storage, NFC, 4G and more for only $599...I can even get better headphones too...note HTC phone using Beat Audio by Dr Dre

Why did you bother buying an iPhone 4S if you can get all that other stuff? Are you an idiot to be taken in by what you call a useless, unpractical and gimmicky feature like Siri?

You just make no sense. Also Siri works outside of the USA. Germany, France, UK, Canada and Australia are not within the United States. It's sad that you have no need for Siri but maybe if you get a good job and need to make appointments for meetings you'll find it useful?

Vice said,

You just make no sense. Also Siri works outside of the USA. Germany, France, UK, Canada and Australia are not within the United States. It's sad that you have no need for Siri but maybe if you get a good job and need to make appointments for meetings you'll find it useful?

TBH, Siri outside the USA lacks a lot of features, in fact, most of the location related stuff isn't available, and when it comes to Wolfram Alpha related queries, these are available in english only.

Arkos Reed said,

TBH, Siri outside the USA lacks a lot of features, in fact, most of the location related stuff isn't available, and when it comes to Wolfram Alpha related queries, these are available in english only.

You can't ask for directions and you can't ask for businesses. Other location stuff like asking the weather or the time or anything like that works just fine. And yes those features use your location to tell where you are before determining the local time and weather.

And sure Wolfram Alpha only works in english. But it works darn well

His point though is that Siri is useless. I beg to differ, I use it all the time for setting alarms, reminders, timers and appointments. These things are tedious and sap little bits of your time as you set them. It's much faster to tell Siri to do it and it works great.

Astra.Xtreme said,

So much fail in this post...
Siri works great, so either you haven't ever used it, or don't know how to push a button and talk...

My manager is a huge apple fan girl, and was super excited to show my android lovin' butt about how amazing siri worked. It took her 7 tries of asking the same damned question before it finally worked. I agree the innards of the 4s are way better than the 4, but siri just seems like they're grasping at straws.

Because it's pointless, when the iPhone 4 is pretty much identical and still a very good phone.

They'll only be a handful of people who beat themselfs over having 1080p video, and 8MP camera....

Dan~ said,
Because it's pointless, when the iPhone 4 is pretty much identical and still a very good phone.

They'll only be a handful of people who beat themselfs over having 1080p video, and 8MP camera....

Oh yeah, the 4 and 4S are pretty much identical, except for the 4 having only half as much processing capability, 1/7th the graphic capability, lower quality camera, lower resolution photos, lower resolution video, no image stabilizer, slower camera, less low-light photo capability, poorer antenna design, older Bluetooth technology, older/slower 3G technology, lower maximum storage capability, lower battery capacity, and less capability under iOS 5.

But OTHER than all that, the 4 is "pretty much identical" to the 4S.

Looks like someone got a 4 instead of a 4S and is trying to justify their purchase by down-playing what the 4S is capable of.

Xenomorph said,

Oh yeah, the 4 and 4S are pretty much identical, except for the 4 having only half as much processing capability, 1/7th the graphic capability, lower quality camera, lower resolution photos, lower resolution video, no image stabilizer, slower camera, less low-light photo capability, poorer antenna design, older Bluetooth technology, older/slower 3G technology, lower maximum storage capability, lower battery capacity, and less capability under iOS 5.

But OTHER than all that, the 4 is "pretty much identical" to the 4S.

Looks like someone got a 4 instead of a 4S and is trying to justify their purchase by down-playing what the 4S is capable of.

It doesn't matter that the 4S is above that. It only matter if you NEED it. If you don't the 4 is just perfect. I wished I had kept mine. At least it was jailbroken.

8MP doesn't matter, I rarely took pictures with the 5MP. Another core? What good is it with the same 512MB of RAM. What good is it when those 500,000 apps dont need or can even use it and will only gain a very minor benefit? Siri? JUNKY gimmick. Since the obly thing you can use bluetooth for i headsets and games, its basically useless. if I could use it to transfer files, it would be a different story. Older slower 3G? I am on Verizon, it should be 4G for what it cost. Storage? Yes I needed 64Gb of storage, however if I was happy with 32, more storage wouldn't matter if I dont need it...right?

Less capability under iOS 5...like what exactly? If you don't need Siri or a 8MP camera, the iPhone 4S does nothing the iPhone 4 can't do. That is fact.

I can't wait for my contract to expire next year.

Xenomorph said,

Oh yeah, the 4 and 4S are pretty much identical, except for the 4 having only half as much processing capability, 1/7th the graphic capability, lower quality camera, lower resolution photos, lower resolution video, no image stabilizer, slower camera, less low-light photo capability, poorer antenna design, older Bluetooth technology, older/slower 3G technology, lower maximum storage capability, lower battery capacity, and less capability under iOS 5.

But OTHER than all that, the 4 is "pretty much identical" to the 4S.

Looks like someone got a 4 instead of a 4S and is trying to justify their purchase by down-playing what the 4S is capable of.

Thanks for pointing out the most obvious features a company would upgrade on their phone, let alone you said each little new feature like 5 times. Why didn't you mention a good less attractive name too?

I think it would be fair to say the main selling point of the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4 is Siri. It is the only feature of the iPhone 4S that Apple is advertising unlike when the iPhone 4 launched they focused on Face Time and the Retina Display.

And since Siri only works in a few countries and only with English, German and French I expect this to be one of the main reasons it isn't selling well in many countries here.

I also think a lot of people were expecting a redesigned phone due to the iPhone 5 rumors and when that didn't materialise people decided to look elsewhere for devices. I know that I wasn't really stoked that all we got was a 4S. I expected and wanted an iPhone 5 with a little larger display but I digress.

Vice said,
I think it would be fair to say the main selling point of the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4 is Siri. It is the only feature of the iPhone 4S that Apple is advertising unlike when the iPhone 4 launched they focused on Face Time and the Retina Display.

And since Siri only works in a few countries and only with English, German and French I expect this to be one of the main reasons it isn't selling well in many countries here.

I also think a lot of people were expecting a redesigned phone due to the iPhone 5 rumors and when that didn't materialise people decided to look elsewhere for devices. I know that I wasn't really stoked that all we got was a 4S. I expected and wanted an iPhone 5 with a little larger display but I digress.


Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

Vice said,
I think it would be fair to say the main selling point of the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4 is Siri. It is the only feature of the iPhone 4S that Apple is advertising unlike when the iPhone 4 launched they focused on Face Time and the Retina Display.

And since Siri only works in a few countries and only with English, German and French I expect this to be one of the main reasons it isn't selling well in many countries here.

I also think a lot of people were expecting a redesigned phone due to the iPhone 5 rumors and when that didn't materialise people decided to look elsewhere for devices. I know that I wasn't really stoked that all we got was a 4S. I expected and wanted an iPhone 5 with a little larger display but I digress.


Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

Vice said,
I think it would be fair to say the main selling point of the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4 is Siri. It is the only feature of the iPhone 4S that Apple is advertising unlike when the iPhone 4 launched they focused on Face Time and the Retina Display.

And since Siri only works in a few countries and only with English, German and French I expect this to be one of the main reasons it isn't selling well in many countries here.

I also think a lot of people were expecting a redesigned phone due to the iPhone 5 rumors and when that didn't materialise people decided to look elsewhere for devices. I know that I wasn't really stoked that all we got was a 4S. I expected and wanted an iPhone 5 with a little larger display but I digress.


Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

Quick Shot said,

Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

I don't know why you'd buy a phone based on the availability of a beta product in it

Quick Shot said,

Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

3 replies? You must really agree with him!

Quick Shot said,

Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

Siri is hardly the only new feature in the 4S...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Siri is hardly the only new feature in the 4S...

I mean, it looks different too. Oh wait.

But regardless of what really is "upgraded", what was advertised didn't pique my interest at all. Unlike iPhone 4, which I was seriously considering getting if I actually had money back then.

So far, the only people I know that have 4S was people who only had 3GS or other phones.

Eddo89 said,

I mean, it looks different too. Oh wait.

But regardless of what really is "upgraded", what was advertised didn't pique my interest at all. Unlike iPhone 4, which I was seriously considering getting if I actually had money back then.

So far, the only people I know that have 4S was people who only had 3GS or other phones.

The enclosure and screen are literally the only things that are the same. There was no reason to upgrade or change either of those two components.

neufuse said,

I don't know why you'd buy a phone based on the availability of a beta product in it

Unless you're particularly net savvy, I don't think it's very well advertised as a beta product. Even if it was a beta product, there are numerous Apple ads promoting it as the key differentiator for the 4s and these are GLOBAL ads that once again have no 'beta' disclaimer.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Siri is hardly the only new feature in the 4S...

None of the others really matter. Dual-core? For low-level apps...? The phone only has 512MB of RAM...dual-core is useless.
The other features? New camera 8MP? Sucks. Doesn't even work as good as the one in the iPhone 4.

Quick Shot said,

Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

Exactly. I don't understand why someone would get a 4s over a 4 if you're not interested in or cannot use Siri

TechieXP said,

None of the others really matter. Dual-core? For low-level apps...? The phone only has 512MB of RAM...dual-core is useless.
The other features? New camera 8MP? Sucks. Doesn't even work as good as the one in the iPhone 4.

Yeah, the dual-core serves no purpose at all... Right....
Are you serious about the camera? The new one is a massive upgrade from the 4. It's faster and takes better pictures than any other camera on the market. Sounds like you just can't accept the fact that Apple has a superior product...

TechieXP said,

None of the others really matter. Dual-core? For low-level apps...? The phone only has 512MB of RAM...dual-core is useless.
The other features? New camera 8MP? Sucks. Doesn't even work as good as the one in the iPhone 4.

I am guessing you do not have a 4s. I upgraded from a 4 and the 4s is much better in low light for picture taking. Its also faster between shots .

Vice said,
I think it would be fair to say the main selling point of the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4 is Siri. It is the only feature of the iPhone 4S that Apple is advertising unlike when the iPhone 4 launched they focused on Face Time and the Retina Display.

Exactly. But you see how stupid that selling point is. I don't know anybody that has uses that feature. Even Android has video chats available (natively with Android 2.3.4 and higher with Google Talk). Nobody uses that. It is just a cool feature that you'll use to show it off and rarely touch again.

most of my friends that bought the 4S played with Siri as just a joke (mostly derogatory remarks and waiting for her response). But they don't use it for productivity. I imagine a lot of people see this just as a silly selling point.

Astra.Xtreme said,

The enclosure and screen are literally the only things that are the same. There was no reason to upgrade or change either of those two components.


Spoken like a true fanboy, always accepting what Apple does and thinking it's good.

Astra.Xtreme said,

The enclosure and screen are literally the only things that are the same. There was no reason to upgrade or change either of those two components.


Spoken like a true fanboy, always accepting what Apple does and thinking it's good.