Rumor: New screen sizes, specs coming to Windows Phones

A new rumor has surfaced thanks to reliable Twitter user @MS_nerd (via WPCentral) that indicates new display sizes are on the way for Windows Phones. These new sizes include 480 x 320 BlackBerry-style displays on Windows Phone Chassis 2, and 1280 x 720 HD displays (as seen on the Galaxy Nexus) on Chassis 3. Currently we are on Chassis 1.5 with 480 x 800 displays.

MS_nerd indicates that Chassis 2 with the BlackBerry-size display will come with the low-end improvement update "Tango". Of course, recently BlackBerry and HP haven’t had much success with this form factor (their market share is constantly slipping), so will this design really work to improve Windows Phone sales? On the positive side, Tango is said to bring support for LTE 4G technology.

Chassis 3 is where it starts to get good. While these devices are rumoured not to be coming until Windows Phone 8 “Apollo” in 2012, they will hopefully come with 1280 x 720 high density HD displays. Rumoured to go alongside the improved display resolution are dual-core processors, which currently power top-end Android and iOS devices.

It’s disappointing to hear that Microsoft will only be including dual-cores and high resolution displays in an update that is far down the track, however every step towards more powerful phones is a step in the right direction.

Finally, MS_nerd mentions NVIDIA Tegra and TI OMAP processors are targeted for support in “Win9”. This is possibly an indication of a merge between desktop Windows and mobile Windows Phone in Windows 9; they are just rumors, though.

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Single core CPU and Low Res screens until late 2012 - Ouch! talk about WP7 getting left behind by the competition.

Joey S said,
Single core CPU and Low Res screens until late 2012 - Ouch! talk about WP7 getting left behind by the competition.

Come back and talk when Google finally learns how to hardware accelerate their UI. It's taken them what? 4 years now and they're still nowhere close.

Must be dam hard coding in a graphics library like OpenGL...oh wait Apple and Microsoft did it a couple of years ago.

/- Razorfold said,

Come back and talk when Google finally learns how to hardware accelerate their UI. It's taken them what? 4 years now and they're still nowhere close.

Must be dam hard coding in a graphics library like OpenGL...oh wait Apple and Microsoft did it a couple of years ago.

I've said it before and I'll say it again Android, the new Windows Mobile.

So the recap here is that at the end of 2012 Windows Phone will have specs that the iPhone and certain high-end Android phones already have today?

.Neo said,
So the recap here is that at the end of 2012 Windows Phone will have specs that the iPhone and certain high-end Android phones already have today?

The thing you have to remember is that Windows Phone doesn't need anywhere near those sort of specs, so Microsoft isn't going to rush to get them implemented in the minimum hardware requirements.

When they finally merge Windows and Windows Phone then, yes, those specs will be a necessity.

This is a welcome change. So far, the main thing keeping me from buying a Windows Phone is Sprint only carries one model and I don't like it and second, even if I did go with another carrier, the hardware out there isn't very competitive with Android offerings or even the iPhone for that matter.

I'd like a
4" screen that is 960x540 (like most top tier Android phones)
Dual core CPU
Front facing camera
4G

New models have been announced but none actually have these standards. I know the screen resolution is regulated by an MS spec sheet but so far, the offerings (or lack there of because they have been announced for 1? carrier in the US) have been pretty weak.

why does everyone say "dual core is pointless and power draining" that is the most ignorant comment you can make towards dual core phones. not only does your phone become MUCH faster, but power consumption is actually lowered due to putting background processes on 1 core, and current usage apps on another. also android doesnt run well on dual core yet because they arent natively supported until they are an Ice Cream Sandwhich device. which there are none of at this time.

Lorddresefer said,
why does everyone say "dual core is pointless and power draining" that is the most ignorant comment you can make towards dual core phones. not only does your phone become MUCH faster, but power consumption is actually lowered due to putting background processes on 1 core, and current usage apps on another. also android doesnt run well on dual core yet because they arent natively supported until they are an Ice Cream Sandwhich device. which there are none of at this time.

The point is that while Android NEEDS dual core processors to get the best out of the OS WP7 doesn't, background processes, used for toast notifications and live tile updates, are terminated if the app isn't opened for a while and not only that but WP7 "tombstones" running apps unlike Android.

So, yes dual core mobile processors are pointless for WP7 at the moment and that's not even mentioning that the Windows CE6/7 hybrid core that WP7 is based on doesn't support dual core ATM.

Would I like a laggy experience from a Windows Phone running on hardware that's unsupported by the OS? Hell no, I'll wait until dual core is properly supported.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why neowin is beginning to suck. Editorials like this belong in the trash bin, not the front page

The Windows 9 comment doesn't make much sense as that's either Windows Phone 9 (two years away at least) or Windows 9 (~4 years away). Tegra 3 and TI OMAP are already guaranteed to have support in Windows 8 and with every Windows 8 app required to support a sidebar view, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that that view would be the same as a phone app. I would bet real money that Windows Phone 8 is really just a variation of Windows 8 meant for phones.

dagamer34 said,
I would bet real money that Windows Phone 8 is really just a variation of Windows 8 meant for phones.

Yes, Windows Kernel + Windows Runtime = Windows Phone 8.
The Win32 and legacy layers are there to support the existing Windows ecosystem.

As Microsoft concentrate on quality, it takes a long time for them to release new updates. This is not good since competitors come out with new tech and features much much faster.

satus said,
As Microsoft concentrate on quality, it takes a long time for them to release new updates. This is not good since competitors come out with new tech and features much much faster.

Would you rather a rushed buggy POS or an update that takes longer to come out but is buttery smooth when it does? Hmm..I wonder.

ahhell said,

Would you rather a rushed buggy POS or an update that takes longer to come out but is buttery smooth when it does? Hmm..I wonder.

+1. I agree. I don't want problems when it comes out. And at 2 updates per year (One major, One minor), I think that's a reasonable update period...

ahhell said,
Would you rather a rushed buggy POS or an update that takes longer to come out but is buttery smooth when it does? Hmm..I wonder.

Seems to be Google's modus operandi, and people eat that **** up.
I'm glad WP7 is the phone for the rest of us.

I don't mind the different resolutions for different Windows Phones, but different aspect ratios could make things harder to develop apps for all different phones - unless I'm missing something?

F_C said,
I don't mind the different resolutions for different Windows Phones, but different aspect ratios could make things harder to develop apps for all different phones - unless I'm missing something?

The dev tools for Windows Phone are quite good, all they would have to do is add the resolutions into the "templates" for programs and devs can code the app once and it will run on all devices.

F_C said,
I don't mind the different resolutions for different Windows Phones, but different aspect ratios could make things harder to develop apps for all different phones - unless I'm missing something?

Being that silverlight is vector based, I don't see an issue.

calimike said,
huh, MS is already working on next windows as Windows 9. tweeted mention #Win9? I'm confused

It depends what do you mean on "working". Development of W8 started before W7 reached RTM status so I would say that is very likely that MS is at least working on planning what W9 will be.

calimike said,
huh, MS is already working on next windows as Windows 9. tweeted mention #Win9? I'm confused

Windows 9 is the rumoured release that'll merge Windows Phone and Windows together into a single product rather than having Windows and Windows CE being two distinct products. It will be interesting to see how they'll pull it off especially when it comes to jettisoning legacy stuff in Windows and whether the lower down parts will be in a position where the legacy stuff can be removed resulting in a slimed down OS given that the dependency tree currently has lines that run up and down between the layers rather than a cleaned layered setup as one would wish to be in place.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Windows 9 is the rumoured release that'll merge Windows Phone and Windows together into a single product rather than having Windows and Windows CE being two distinct products. It will be interesting to see how they'll pull it off especially when it comes to jettisoning legacy stuff in Windows and whether the lower down parts will be in a position where the legacy stuff can be removed resulting in a slimed down OS given that the dependency tree currently has lines that run up and down between the layers rather than a cleaned layered setup as one would wish to be in place.


so thats when i need to replace my 4 year old Dell XPS 720.. perfect 4 years to go.. hah

Unfortunately it seems people are so obsessed by GHZ and cores again they're getting to the point of being irrational. I saw a comment by someone on here the other week when they laughed that a phone only had a single core 1.5GHz.. you can run perfectly acceptable, fully fledged desktops with not much more.

My HTC Desire has a 1GHz single core - seems more than quick enough. And if Windows 7 Phone is generally lighter on resources, then I think it'd be more than adequate for me for my next upgrade. I barely run any apps anyway - just GMail, Twitter, Facebook, 4Square, Spotify... not a power user by any stretch!

"It's disappointing to hear that Microsoft will only be including dual-core...in an update that is far down the track"
Can you explain this comment? Why is this disappointing? Surely the only reason for a more powerful, power-sucking dual-core is because the device needs one to actually make the OS usable?
Actually *wanting* a more powerful device is, to me, a disguised insult. Give me my lithe Omnia 7 with its "puny" one-core proc & extended battery life any day of the week ta very much.

jamiet said,
"It's disappointing to hear that Microsoft will only be including dual-core...in an update that is far down the track"
Can you explain this comment? Why is this disappointing? Surely the only reason for a more powerful, power-sucking dual-core is because the device needs one to actually make the OS usable?
Actually *wanting* a more powerful device is, to me, a disguised insult. Give me my lithe Omnia 7 with its "puny" one-core proc & extended battery life any day of the week ta very much.

The OS isn't the only thing running on your phone. I, for one, like to game on my phone, and the better the internals are in my devices the better the games it can run.

I'd much rather have the potential power in my device rather than old hardware which could limit me in the future

Scorpus said,

The OS isn't the only thing running on your phone. I, for one, like to game on my phone, and the better the internals are in my devices the better the games it can run.

I'd much rather have the potential power in my device rather than old hardware which could limit me in the future

And where exactly are you gonna take this 'much needed' extra horsepower?
Seriously?
I get sick of hearing people saying that WP7 has dated hardware.
The fact that Android doesn't run well on single core CPUs(or even Dual-cors ones) doesn't mean that WP7 isnt gonna run smooth either.

Scorpus said,

much rather have the potential power in my device rather than old hardware which could limit me in the future

''This hardware can limit me in future.''
Hmmm...

What? Are you gonna put WP8 on it?
What does this even mean? limit me in future.
This thing is running WP7 more than fine.
When 'future' comes it'll bring with it what is needed

Scorpus said,

I'd much rather have the potential power in my device rather than old hardware which could limit me in the future

Just a question: how long do you usually keep a phone before changing up? And fwiw, games play pretty well on WP as developers have pretty good baseline specs to develop to. Unlike Android where the lowest spec in the market is really quite low. Of course, you also get to pick much better hardware as it stands for Android - but do paper specs matter more than the actual experience? I'm sure manufacturers would have released more powerful Windows phones (processor/memory wise - not resolution) if it meant a discernible improvement in performance that they could charge customers more for.

K.John said,

Just a question: how long do you usually keep a phone before changing up? And fwiw, games play pretty well on WP as developers have pretty good baseline specs to develop to. Unlike Android where the lowest spec in the market is really quite low. Of course, you also get to pick much better hardware as it stands for Android - but do paper specs matter more than the actual experience? I'm sure manufacturers would have released more powerful Windows phones (processor/memory wise - not resolution) if it meant a discernible improvement in performance that they could charge customers more for.

This.

K.John said,

Just a question: how long do you usually keep a phone before changing up? And fwiw, games play pretty well on WP as developers have pretty good baseline specs to develop to. Unlike Android where the lowest spec in the market is really quite low. Of course, you also get to pick much better hardware as it stands for Android - but do paper specs matter more than the actual experience? I'm sure manufacturers would have released more powerful Windows phones (processor/memory wise - not resolution) if it meant a discernible improvement in performance that they could charge customers more for.

Well unlike some people I keep my phones for more than a year due to 24 month contracts (not that I'm on one right now). I have a single-core Android device which runs things fine.

I've used Windows Phone and I know what it's like. The only reason manufacturers of WP devices have yet to include more power in their devices is because of Microsoft's hardware restrictions, not because they think current hardware is fine. They would love to market "dual-cores" and stuff like that because average consumers just see bigger numbers and think it's a benefit.

As with Windows Phone as well, the future is limited by the hardware. Game developers won't create games that don't run because no-one will buy them. However, with Android, the hardware comes first and the games start to follow. Even in desktop computing, you see graphics hardware that is years superior to the games being released.

I really don't understand why people dislike having more powerful hardware. I sure as hell would rather have the most powerful device out there even if I cannot actually use the power. Would you honestly tell me you would buy a single-core phone over a dual-core phone if both were exactly the same price?

As for limiting me in the future, no one has any idea what apps someone might create. I'd rather be prepared for an event where someone creates an awesome, power sucking app than be stuck behind without the available power.

I know my Galaxy S is fine, runs most apps and does so quite smoothly, but I also know a Galaxy S II is a lot faster, and in the future this separation will become apparent. If you bought on, on a contract, in May of this year, I would like to see the dual-cores last till May 2013. I'm not sure I could say the same about those that bought a HTC Trophy in May lasting that long with single-core hardware. Two years is a long time in the tech world

EDIT: I bet you, and several other commenters in this reply chain, are thinking from a current owners perspective that your device is fine and doesn't warrant an upgrade, and that's fine. But a lot of people when buying a phone like to have the best they can at that very moment, and the faster the better

Edited by Scorpus, Oct 19 2011, 9:26am :

Muhammad Farrukh said,

What? Are you gonna put WP8 on it?
What does this even mean? limit me in future.
This thing is running WP7 more than fine.
When 'future' comes it'll bring with it what is needed

I never had a doubt that sometimes down the road W8 or more likely W9 will unify the OSes.

WP7, which is based on CE 6.3 plus some of the features of CE7 therefore a hybrid, does not support multicore right now; future CE build will do.
Contrary to what seems to be a common belief a dual core processor will, together with the right apps, save battery life not shorten it.
Finally you need to consider that many people "receive" a phone as part of the "benefit" of signing a two ears contract; this means that what is the best today will be outdated well before the signed contract ends.
Is WP7 smooth? Yes it is although when I went and check the HTC Titan the limited resolution offered by the OS made the UI looks odd; please note that I said odd not bad.

K.John said,

Just a question: how long do you usually keep a phone before changing up? And fwiw, games play pretty well on WP as developers have pretty good baseline specs to develop to. Unlike Android where the lowest spec in the market is really quite low. Of course, you also get to pick much better hardware as it stands for Android - but do paper specs matter more than the actual experience? I'm sure manufacturers would have released more powerful Windows phones (processor/memory wise - not resolution) if it meant a discernible improvement in performance that they could charge customers more for.

+1. And I game on my device all the time, and have never had an issue with it...

K.John said,

I am sure manufacturers would have released more powerful Windows phones (processor/memory wise - not resolution) if it meant a discernible improvement in performance that they could charge customers more for.

Not so sure about what is going on with OEM: one of the "brilliant" (sarcasm) spec of WP7 is the lack of expandable/removable storage; in spite of this as far as I know even the latest WP7 devices like the Titan offer between 8 and 16 GB of data storage, no OEM is offering a 32 GB device.
I am sure that a lot of people would be willing to pay a, reasonable, premium to be able to store more data.

Fritzly said,

Not so sure about what is going on with OEM: one of the "brilliant" (sarcasm) spec of WP7 is the lack of expandable/removable storage; in spite of this as far as I know even the latest WP7 devices like the Titan offer between 8 and 16 GB of data storage, no OEM is offering a 32 GB device.
I am sure that a lot of people would be willing to pay a, reasonable, premium to be able to store more data.

The main reason for no expandable storage is that WP7 sees all the storage as one big pool and that, coupled with the security features that SD cards have as part of their spec, means that even if you could remove the card it would reset the phone to it's factory defaults and the card would be unusable in other devices.

More storage would be nice though but I would prefer NAND memory rather than SD Cards.

neo158 said,

The main reason for no expandable storage is that WP7 sees all the storage as one big pool and that, coupled with the security features that SD cards have as part of their spec, means that even if you could remove the card it would reset the phone to it's factory defaults and the card would be unusable in other devices.

More storage would be nice though but I would prefer NAND memory rather than SD Cards.

Absolutely. And there are easier ways to transfer data from the phone to a computer honestly. I take pictures of my friend's son and they're in her inbox before we finish eating. There's really no need to be able to remove the storage.

Would I like more space, absolutely. But what would I use it for? Not music... The batteries wouldn't last long enough for me to use it as my music player. I still maintain that storage just keeps getting bigger and bigger, while battery tech never changes. The battery tech needs to improve to catch up to the storage available...

M_Lyons10 said,

Absolutely. And there are easier ways to transfer data from the phone to a computer honestly. I take pictures of my friend's son and they're in her inbox before we finish eating. There's really no need to be able to remove the storage.

Would I like more space, absolutely. But what would I use it for? Not music... The batteries wouldn't last long enough for me to use it as my music player. I still maintain that storage just keeps getting bigger and bigger, while battery tech never changes. The battery tech needs to improve to catch up to the storage available...

Agreed, I think this is exactly what Microsoft is thinking as well. I also agree that battery tech needs to improve vastly, as although battery saver has helped the battery life on my HD7 I still charge it every night.

The impression I get is that SD Cards are the biggest battery drain on mobile phones.

neo158 said,

Agreed, I think this is exactly what Microsoft is thinking as well. I also agree that battery tech needs to improve vastly, as although battery saver has helped the battery life on my HD7 I still charge it every night.

The impression I get is that SD Cards are the biggest battery drain on mobile phones.

Yeah, I find that my battery life is better with Mango. But still it's not enough. I would like to make a couple of days on a charge. Or at the very least a full day with some gaming in there. Fire up a game and the battery drains incredibly quickly. And that's not the OS's fault, or anything. It's because battery tech hasn't changed in ages and can't keep up.

neo158 said,
The impression I get is that SD Cards are the biggest battery drain on mobile phones.

Actually, it's still the cellular radio. MSR and others collaborated to come to that conclusion with results posted online a month ago.

Scorpus said,

I really don't understand why people dislike having more powerful hardware. I sure as hell would rather have the most powerful device out there even if I cannot actually use the power. Would you honestly tell me you would buy a single-core phone over a dual-core phone if both were exactly the same price?

Its really simple.... Battery life / weight.. Dual cores need more power therefore they drain faster or they need a bigger battery.. Batteries are one of the only things that go down over time. Dual core phones have more expensive batteries hence they are more expensive to replace down the road.

Muhammad Farrukh said,
Me awaits Chassis 3.
Desperately

I could see Samsung taking their Prime and doing a WP version of it sometime next year. Actually I think any dual core phones will come from Nokia first.

It's disappointing to hear that Microsoft will only be including dual-cores and high resolution displays in an update that is far down the track, however every step towards more powerful phones is a step in the right direction.

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

Yeah it is unfortunate, but imagine how much better WP would be with even faster hardware. A dual-core on WP7 may well be much, much faster than on Android while still being smooth and awesome.

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

Thumb up dude.
Couldn't agree more.

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.


The part about "graphically better games" are debatable. Some modern games on Android have pretty good graphics too. And Android ICS is more responsive than all the past Android version. Google doesn't sit still waiting for MS to catch up. In term of optimization, WP7 is the best because it has tighter hardware specs but ICS is going to change that. Let's wait and see.

"That having been said, it unfortunately remains the case that Android isn't as swift and responsive as iOS or Windows Phone (or even MeeGo Harmattan on the N9). Or at least it wasn't on the demo phone we got a look at. The subtle, pervasive lag that has characterized the Android UI since it inception is still there, which is not a heartening thing to hear when you're talking about a super-powered dual-core device like the Galaxy Nexus."

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

Don't forget the hd2 which is a win6.5 phone! I'm using it now, runs quicker and smoother than my xperia play ever did, that's why I went back to it after the mango update

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

Absolutely, +1. I can understand people saying they want dual core and everything, but WP7 doesn't need it (Unlike Android for instance). So, why give up battery life for a faster processor you likely won't even notice...?

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.


/- Razorfold said,
Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

Example? No really Im curious as I've not really seen much (if any?) news on mobile gaming sites about WP7 its all Android and iOS.

/- Razorfold said,

Too bad that a single core WP7 device with a 3 year old processor and 512mb ram is still smoother than the latest android dual core phones with 1gb ram.

Take a look at the Galaxy Nexus and try that again. It does and shows far more than WP devices and is smoother to boot.

/- Razorfold said,

Oh and it runs graphically better games too.

WP actually has games? Last time I checked no decent developers were even bothering with the platform.

But if you are sure about your claims, let's see an example eh? Talk is cheap.

Joey S said,

Take a look at the Galaxy Nexus and try that again. It does and shows far more than WP devices and is smoother to boot.


WP actually has games? Last time I checked no decent developers were even bothering with the platform.

But if you are sure about your claims, let's see an example eh? Talk is cheap.

Don't you have anything better to do than troll every Windows Phone topic that comes along? I think everyone on here knows well enough by now that you're not a fan... LMAO

As for games, I don't think ANYONE can argue that anything out there competes with Microsoft's XNA Tools and XBox Live integration... And the games that are coming out are good games that run smoother than any game I've ever seen on an Android device.

Joey S said,

Take a look at the Galaxy Nexus and try that again. It does and shows far more than WP devices and is smoother to boot.

I already did. Look at my quote like 4 comments above yours.

WP actually has games? Last time I checked no decent developers were even bothering with the platform.

But if you are sure about your claims, let's see an example eh? Talk is cheap.


The platform has over 32000 apps and is growing quite fast. And yeah amazing how a 3 year old phone can run games that actually look good.

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/marketplace?wa=wsignin1.0

Troll somewhere else next time.

Joey S said,

Take a look at the Galaxy Nexus and try that again. It does and shows far more than WP devices and is smoother to boot.


WP actually has games? Last time I checked no decent developers were even bothering with the platform.

But if you are sure about your claims, let's see an example eh? Talk is cheap.

Yep, my old WP7 with a 1Ghz processor and 256MB of RAM runs smooth like butter. I tried the Galaxy S2 in the Phone Store, and even navigating pages it stuttered and lagged.

Joey S said,

Take a look at the Galaxy Nexus and try that again. It does and shows far more than WP devices and is smoother to boot.


WP actually has games? Last time I checked no decent developers were even bothering with the platform.

But if you are sure about your claims, let's see an example eh? Talk is cheap.

STFU and GTFO this news article if all you're going to do is troll. Android running smooth, don't make me laugh. What does the Galaxy Nexus have, a 50 core processor running at over 9000GHz!!?!

Windows Phone has games and Xbox Live as well. Last I checked Windows Phone had 30,000 apps and counting so decent developers that want to stay with the platform, I think so. At least WP7 doesn't have 100,000 crap apps and viruses clogging up the Marketplace.


BK201 said,

The part about "graphically better games" are debatable. Some modern games on Android have pretty good graphics too. And Android ICS is more responsive than all the past Android version. Google doesn't sit still waiting for MS to catch up. In term of optimization, WP7 is the best because it has tighter hardware specs but ICS is going to change that. Let's wait and see.

Were you watching the same Android announcement I was? That crap was LAGGY even on stage.

McKay said,

I tried the Galaxy S2 in the Phone Store, and even navigating pages it stuttered and lagged.

That's a good one :') thanks for that. Needed a laugh. I own a Galaxy S2, if it stuttered/lagged then yours was broken. Mines silky smooth ta very much.