Rumor: New Playstation 4 dev kits shipping to developers

Sony may not be talking about their successor to the Playstation 3, but apparently some game developers are getting their hands on hardware SDKs for the next game console from the company. Today, a new rumor claims that Sony is shipping a new version of the SDK to some game studios.

VG247.com reports, via unnamed sources, that the SDK being shipped is actually the second of four planned to give to developers. A third version is supposedly coming in January and the final version will be released later in the summer of 2013.

The SDK that's reportedly going to developers this week is basically a PC case with a version of AMD's A10 processor inside, which would seem to confirm earlier reports that Sony won't be using its own Cell processor for the next console, as it did for the PS3.

The dev kit, which has the name "Orbis", also has a Blu-ray disc drive and is projected to run 1080p-based games with 3D enabled, with "no problem." The story adds that Sony may reveal the next game console just prior to E3 in June; the console itself might be released in late 2013.

Source: VG247.com | Image via VG247.com

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Liaqat_ali said,
PS4 with a PC based processor. Would this in anyway be good news for the emulation community?

Only if they don't change the instruction set.....

Liaqat_ali said,
PS4 with a PC based processor. Would this in anyway be good news for the emulation community?

You would think so but look at the original XBox. Basically an off the shelf PC from a decade ago but we still can't emulate it for some reason. I guess because of the encryption?

TRC said,

You would think so but look at the original XBox. Basically an off the shelf PC from a decade ago but we still can't emulate it for some reason. I guess because of the encryption?


You can emulate it, as such, get one of the old alpha/beta xbox PC towers which runs windows 2000/xp and the old xbox dashboard/programs.

If the XBOX 720 has BluRay drive (most likely it will) and nice integration with Windows 8, Windows 8 RT, Windows Phone 8 then I will might just get it.

wrack said,
If the XBOX 720 has BluRay drive (most likely it will) and nice integration with Windows 8, Windows 8 RT, Windows Phone 8 then I will might just get it.

Well I hope they get into the Bluray Market, kinda hate having so many devices on the TV stand.

wrack said,
If the XBOX 720 has BluRay drive (most likely it will) and nice integration with Windows 8, Windows 8 RT, Windows Phone 8 then I will might just get it.
I doubt the next gen Xbox is going to have a blu ray drive, it's gonna have it's own propriety format just like the Wii U does.

also remember that Microsoft was touting for digital downloads for the future back in the J Allard days.

Aaron Olive said,
I doubt the next gen Xbox is going to have a blu ray drive, it's gonna have it's own propriety format just like the Wii U does.

also remember that Microsoft was touting for digital downloads for the future back in the J Allard days.

There is absolutely no proof of this what-so-ever.

MS would be nuts to not include BluRay, it's basically handing a heap of customers directly to Sony.

Nashy said,

There is absolutely no proof of this what-so-ever.

MS would be nuts to not include BluRay, it's basically handing a heap of customers directly to Sony.

Correct, as MS wants to capture the living room, ALL OF IT! So leaving one media format out, especially the one touted to be the successor to DVD (Blu-Ray, which isn't truly mainstream or popular market-share-wise right now) would be a big mistake.
My money is on a BD-XL drive that can read BD's just fine and uses BD-XL with encryption for games. That way it'll be another step to keep piracy out of consumers' hands.

Thief000 said,

Correct, as MS wants to capture the living room, ALL OF IT! So leaving one media format out, especially the one touted to be the successor to DVD (Blu-Ray, which isn't truly mainstream or popular market-share-wise right now) would be a big mistake.
My money is on a BD-XL drive that can read BD's just fine and uses BD-XL with encryption for games. That way it'll be another step to keep piracy out of consumers' hands.

nah, BD-XL drives can be bought so that wouldn't stop piracy. They will probably use a bluray drive but create their own disc standard that way games won't be able to be copied at all. People might hack the console to rip the game to the internal hdd and possibly write some software to allow the games to be burned onto bd-r discs and played but that would be complex for hackers to do.

Nashy said,

There is absolutely no proof of this what-so-ever.

MS would be nuts to not include BluRay, it's basically handing a heap of customers directly to Sony.


I don't think that is true anymore. Back in the day when the XBOX 360 was competing with PlayStation 3 that was true but now everyone has a bluray player. Since then streaming movies and tv shows has also become popular. I really do not see a need for the bluray player. The cost of adding it should be cheaper now too so maybe they will throw one into the xbox.

BillyJack said,


I don't think that is true anymore. Back in the day when the XBOX 360 was competing with PlayStation 3 that was true but now everyone has a bluray player. Since then streaming movies and tv shows has also become popular. I really do not see a need for the bluray player. The cost of adding it should be cheaper now too so maybe they will throw one into the xbox.

Life goes on outside of the countries with this super crazy fast internet. Standard connections in most countries are not fast enough.

We would have upto 4 movies going at onces at times. No way this connection would handle it.

wrack said,
If the XBOX 720 has BluRay drive (most likely it will) and nice integration with Windows 8, Windows 8 RT, Windows Phone 8 then I will might just get it.

sooooooooo, what does this have to do with PS4? or are you just another Xbox troll?

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

sooooooooo, what does this have to do with PS4? or are you just another Xbox troll?

It has everything to do with the PS4. THey are both the only competition for each other.

I can't believe they actually went non-Cell with PS4, are they seriously going to cut Backwards compatibility again... that would not be a wise move, they should at least have PS2 BC or pull a PS3 and take it off after a year or so after it's had a time to sell (evil I know).

helios01 said,
I can't believe they actually went non-Cell with PS4, are they seriously going to cut Backwards compatibility again... that would not be a wise move, they should at least have PS2 BC or pull a PS3 and take it off after a year or so after it's had a time to sell (evil I know).

Well lets think of it like this if they kept with a cell based cpu then you wouldn't be able to use some of the new features that are now coming out ontop of supporting 1080p with 60 fps etc.

helios01 said,
I can't believe they actually went non-Cell with PS4, are they seriously going to cut Backwards compatibility again... that would not be a wise move, they should at least have PS2 BC or pull a PS3 and take it off after a year or so after it's had a time to sell (evil I know).

There is no "Cell 2", so sticking a chip in with the same architecture only faster makes no sense. As great as backwards compatibility is, it costs too much money.

helios01 said,
I can't believe they actually went non-Cell with PS4, are they seriously going to cut Backwards compatibility again... that would not be a wise move, they should at least have PS2 BC or pull a PS3 and take it off after a year or so after it's had a time to sell (evil I know).

Maybe they have written some software to allow it to be backwards compatible, i hope so.

torrentthief said,

Maybe they have written some software to allow it to be backwards compatible, i hope so.


Probably not with the number of exploits for the PS3, like when they removed linux, they'll probably shelve PS3 backwards compatibility support.

torrentthief said,

Maybe they have written some software to allow it to be backwards compatible, i hope so.


I seriously doubt the PS4 will have the CPU horsepower to emulate a PS3, especially if it's an AMD x86 design. The PS3 CPU is actually VERY powerful it's just difficult to program for and it's bogged down by limited RAM and a now dated GPU.

Personally I think they would have been better off sticking with a higher clocked smaller process Cell based CPU and just incorporating IBMs PowerXCell 8i improvements, including something like 8GB of shared RAM and a modern GPU.

If they had to change though I'd prefer they go 64bit ARM over AMD x86 and do something like a 4+ core ARMv8 with a Mali-T604GPU on the SoC that is backwards compatible with the PS Vita and then put a modern GPU with that. That way PS Store/Vita apps run on the SoC by itself in 32bit mode with the power stepped down and actual PS4 apps crank up the power and run 64bit with the more powerful dedicated GPU (the SoC GPU can then be used for Physics or other such OpenCL uses). Throw in like 8GB of RAM and push the whole 64bit angle and you'll beat a lot of even PC games in performance because even though PCs are mostly 64bit now the vast majority of games are still released as 32bit for backwards compatibility.

helios01 said,
I can't believe they actually went non-Cell with PS4, are they seriously going to cut Backwards compatibility again... that would not be a wise move, they should at least have PS2 BC or pull a PS3 and take it off after a year or so after it's had a time to sell (evil I know).

One word: Gaikai

Frank2029 said,
Im more interested in what the next chapter is for Xbox although from the sounds of it PS4 looks pretty damn good.

So am I as the next Xbox on paper probably has more potential than the PS4 though. The A10 APUs are pretty much junk performance wise compared to many competitor products and architectures.

Edited by Thief000, Nov 2 2012, 8:02am :

Thief000 said,

So am I as the next Xbox on paper probably has more potential than the PS4 though. The A10 APUs are pretty much junk performance wise compared to many competitor products and architectures.

Console processors are designed for consoles, they often use XDR memory and connect parts of the cpu to the gpu etc in a faster way. I expect this to be way faster than the A10 (cpu-wise), also AMD have to have a max of 100W for desktop pc's in order to sell to OEM's. Sony doesn't, they can crank up the clock speed and use a massive heatsink. So i'd expect a 4ghz+ clock speed and a fully fledged gpu on the same die.

Microsoft is rumoured to also use an AMD apu too so i'd expect a similar performing chip from them too. Now that apu's are out manufacturers would prefer not to have more than 1 chip to keep costs down, hence why the wii u has a single chip too.

1080p 60fps with the latest tech such as dx11.1, opengl 4.3 etc will look wonderful on the ps4.

Also seeing as though this is out next year i'd expect it to use the next gen amd cores not vishera and they they would be 28nm just like the next gen amd processors so expect better performance per clock cycle too.

Graphics cards also have a speed limit to due a cheap cooler needs to be able to be used but consoles have a massive heatsink on 1st gens of consoles so they can crack up some serious clock speeds too. Sony will likely use opencl 1.2 and maybe the new upcoming open and patent free gpu computing architecture which i think is called FSA. This will reduce the important of the cpu and let the gpu do a lot of the work.

torrentthief said,

1080p 60fps with the latest tech such as dx11.1, opengl 4.3 etc will look wonderful on the ps4.

I googled and it is only a rumor that Sony will be using DirectX. DirectX is Microsoft's technology. Do we know for sure if Sony is going to use DirectX?

BillyJack said,

I googled and it is only a rumor that Sony will be using DirectX. DirectX is Microsoft's technology. Do we know for sure if Sony is going to use DirectX?


Sony using directx? Now that's one of the funniest things I've heard! Don't be stupid.

Frank2029 said,
Im more interested in what the next chapter is for Xbox although from the sounds of it PS4 looks pretty damn good.

Same here. I think the next XBox is going to bring with it some big surprises. I really can't wait.

n_K said,

Sony using directx? Now that's one of the funniest things I've heard! Don't be stupid.

lol, I know, but after reading what torrentthief said, I did a search on the internet and see a few rumours the PlayStation will have direct x. So now I am wondering what the talk is about and if I am missing something. Of course I realize how sill that is. lol