This is the Surface Phone we've always wanted

Microsoft has yet to make a Surface-branded phone, but we know the idea has been passed around the Redmond offices. With the purchase of Nokia’s smartphone unit, it may actually increase the chances of a Surface phone making its way to retail shelves. Why, you say? Well, if Microsoft would have built a Surface phone, then Nokia likely would have built an Android phone and the entire basis for Windows Phone (Nokia) could shift away from the platform and cut the bottom out of Windows Phone growth.

Anyway, this Surface phone concept was released back in October, but we never saw and figured on the day before Christmas, we could share it with our lovely readers.

The phone was mocked up by Phone Designer, and you can check out more shots on his Facebook page.

The design keeps inline with the metal and modern look that the Surface utilizes and to be frank, looks pretty damn good.

While we have no idea if Microsoft will push forward with its own Surface branded phone, we would love to see this concept turn into a reality.

Source: Phone Designer | Images via Phone Designer

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derekaw said,
Can I run my win 32 apps on this Surface?
Nobody knows because it doesn't exist, this is just spme artist's mockup, but I think the user experience would suck. It would be useful if it supported displayport and you could use it like a desktop in a pinch (or in the worst case, remote desktop), could be useful for admins.

I never had a smart phone before. Most of them looks ugly and I don't care much for smart phone. But this design looks very enticing. I would start to getting one myself if this one is a real product but I just hope it does not have those Windows 8 theme. This phone is attractive for not having those Windows 8 OS theme.

With that much metal signal will be horrendous, and people will complain about how many grams heavier it is than other phones that are made of plastic.

You've always wanted an unergonomic phone with sharp edges, with a pointless patch of a darker shade of grey on top and an ugly engraved product logo and text that looks like a sticker on the bottom?

What's all the fuss about mobile phone design? It is all converging on a totally button-less, bezel-less design anyway. I don't know about you, but all I look at when fiddling with my phone is the screen.

It would be weird to brand a phone with "Surface", since it wouldn't be able to run the same Windows applications as the tablets.

Looks hot, I know people joked but I think they could incorporate a small kickstand into the back without it adding too much to the thickness.

The Surface Phone who always wanted? The Surface name should stay very far away from the Windows Phone. At least there is some traction with the Windows Phone.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't buy that piece of ugliness with YOUR money. That is a HIDEOUS design. If that's what a Surface Phone would have or will look like, it will die before it even gets into stores. Microsoft has a great thing with the Lumia design. THAT is what they need to stick with. Quality, beautiful design, variety. That Surface Phone mockup is a horrific joke.

I've actually always liked that design, and I kind of prefer it over that of the Lumia range of devices. Different tastes I guess.

Well, if it were to come in all black - not black and grey like the iPhone 4 - then I would be one of those that "have always wanted it"

I have been running windows mobile/windows phone since my old at&t tilt predecessor (I forgot what its called, I think 8525 or something). What WP8 lacks compared to an iPhone is the easy updates through apple and some child apps. Compared to Android I would say we are still slightly behind in the processor / RAM department, but otherwise are right with it, aside from certain niche apps that I probably wouldn't use anyway. As a platform windows phone 8 is current but the developers are lacking more than anything. I'm not sure what the motivation is for developers to not write apps for Windows Phone 8 as well, but still no candy crush saga? Why? Is there a bribe involved or something?

WP8 devices have already caught up with Android in hardware. Nokia's Lumia 1520 has a Snapdragon 800 processor and 2GB RAM. Also, WP8 isn't as hardware-intensive as Android. The focus on hardware should be shifted to software. That's where WP8 is lacking.

Invizibleyez said,
I have been running windows mobile/windows phone since my old at&t tilt predecessor (I forgot what its called, I think 8525 or something). What WP8 lacks compared to an iPhone is the easy updates through apple and some child apps. Compared to Android I would say we are still slightly behind in the processor / RAM department, but otherwise are right with it, aside from certain niche apps that I probably wouldn't use anyway. As a platform windows phone 8 is current but the developers are lacking more than anything. I'm not sure what the motivation is for developers to not write apps for Windows Phone 8 as well, but still no candy crush saga? Why? Is there a bribe involved or something?

Updates are still being refined with less carrier control. For example, the GDR3 update is available bypassing your MFR and carrier if you want it now. ATT was the only donkey on GDR2, with other carriers shoving it out all around the same time.

The reason WP doesn't do Apple Updates, is there is different hardware. Apple has only to support to specific devices, where even with WP having a smaller marketshare has several more devices. (With WP8 Microsoft made the device differences less important, but they still have to break carriers that want final control. The NT kernel and drivers are far easier to deploy on multiple devices than even WInCE was.)

As for hardware, WP has caught up, and considering the performance differences, even the 1.5ghz dual core devices from 1.5 years ago are faster than 99% of all Android devices in actual use.

If you look at the non-phone market and just base performance on Windows NT itself, the Dell Venue Pro 8 (Win8.1) runs with a lower clock CPU, handles 4 cores well, gets better battery and is 1/2 the weight of the SAME MODEL Android device. Dell tried to make the Android based on the quad core Atom, but Android's threading support is crap and it was better to put in a higher clock CPU with two cores than the 4 core lower clock. (Samsung had the same issue with the quad/octa core Android phones earlier this year.)

The Win8.1 Dell version is also significantly faster for 'tablet' operations in addition to the fact it can run Photoshop and traditional software really well.

Microsoft has the OS running well, whether it is ARM or Intel and now they just need to continue the WinRT/WP framework merging and get more developers to support the devices.

PS On key missing Apps, Apple and Google have been paying developers NOT to make WP versions. There was a tiny scuttle about this on and off this last year, as one developer flat out admitted Apple paid them more to NOT make a WP version that they made off the game selling on iOS itself.

(Microsoft needs to dump more money into developers, but when Apple has already filled their pockets for 'exclusivity' it makes it hard.)


Again it is not true that GD3 was pushed to users bypassing OEMs and carriers: what we got is a Beta of GD3 not to mention the other observations about this matter that I expressed in a previous post.
As for the supposed impossibility for WP to use the same updating model adopted by Apple because WP is used on different hardware...... so does W8 and updates are pushed without problems.

Edited by Fritzly, Dec 24 2013, 9:45pm :

I hope there is proof of the paying to not support WP8. I also hope that both google and apple are doing it and get slapped with a 10 year limitation like Microsoft was for it's anti-trust IE practices. What's fair is fair. Competition is fair and holding back MS is not fair no matter what you think about MS.

Mobius Enigma said,

Updates are still being refined with less carrier control. For example, the GDR3 update is available bypassing your MFR and carrier if you want it now. ATT was the only donkey on GDR2, with other carriers shoving it out all around the same time.

The reason WP doesn't do Apple Updates, is there is different hardware. Apple has only to support to specific devices, where even with WP having a smaller marketshare has several more devices. (With WP8 Microsoft made the device differences less important, but they still have to break carriers that want final control. The NT kernel and drivers are far easier to deploy on multiple devices than even WInCE was.)

As for hardware, WP has caught up, and considering the performance differences, even the 1.5ghz dual core devices from 1.5 years ago are faster than 99% of all Android devices in actual use.

If you look at the non-phone market and just base performance on Windows NT itself, the Dell Venue Pro 8 (Win8.1) runs with a lower clock CPU, handles 4 cores well, gets better battery and is 1/2 the weight of the SAME MODEL Android device. Dell tried to make the Android based on the quad core Atom, but Android's threading support is crap and it was better to put in a higher clock CPU with two cores than the 4 core lower clock. (Samsung had the same issue with the quad/octa core Android phones earlier this year.)

The Win8.1 Dell version is also significantly faster for 'tablet' operations in addition to the fact it can run Photoshop and traditional software really well.

Microsoft has the OS running well, whether it is ARM or Intel and now they just need to continue the WinRT/WP framework merging and get more developers to support the devices.

PS On key missing Apps, Apple and Google have been paying developers NOT to make WP versions. There was a tiny scuttle about this on and off this last year, as one developer flat out admitted Apple paid them more to NOT make a WP version that they made off the game selling on iOS itself.

(Microsoft needs to dump more money into developers, but when Apple has already filled their pockets for 'exclusivity' it makes it hard.)


Invizibleyez said,
I hope there is proof of the paying to not support WP8. I also hope that both google and apple are doing it and get slapped with a 10 year limitation like Microsoft was for it's anti-trust IE practices. What's fair is fair. Competition is fair and holding back MS is not fair no matter what you think about MS.

Apple will get away with it, just as Google with get away with it as long as they remain at odds with each other and aren't colluding.

Here is a link I had saved, I'm sure a few searches can find other cases with regard to 'exclusivity' payouts.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/...s-vs-zombies-2-for-android/

The Microsoft ruling was based on OEM exclusivity deals, that went back to earlier in the world of software and OSes, as it was common for an OS or Application to be attached to all computers/devices sold by a manufacturer.

As the world changed, these agreements came back to make MS look like creeps, when it was a rather common thing that everyone did, but nobody else had a 95% market share.

Apple, IBM, Lotus, Wordperfect, Novell, Corel all had the same types of contracts with various OEMs and even other software companies as add-ons, and some still do, this is why you get a copy of XYZ antivirus on every computer ABC company sells.

Microsoft looked bad, because companies like Dell came forward and whined about Microsoft 'forcing' them to do an exclusivity deal. However, it was Dell's choice to get Windows OEM copies at a $5 discount by signing a contract saying they would bundle it with every system or simply just pay an extra $5 for each copy and offer their customers the choice. They, like many OEMs, were greedy and threw Microsoft under the bus as the anti-trust hit.

What Apple is doing is on a completely different scale as Microsoft never 'paid' a company to not produce software for another OS.

Fritzly said,

Again it is not true that GD3 was pushed to users bypassing OEMs and carriers: what we got is a Beta of GD3 not to mention the other observations about this matter that I expressed in a previous post.
As for the supposed impossibility for WP to use the same updating model adopted by Apple because WP is used on different hardware...... so does W8 and updates are pushed without problems.

Never said it was impossible, I said it was harder with WP7 and the older kernel model and earlier carrier agreements. WP8 makes it as easy as Windows Update on PCs, but getting carriers to sign onto handing this over to Microsoft is the hard part.

The only thing Nokia can do to give a Windows Surface Phone (or just plain Windows Phone) traction would be to create a dual-boot option (like the Android-Ubuntu phone mentioned elsewhere).

THAT would be a phone I'd plunk money down for, assuming the same or better specs than S4 / Note3.

Dual boot what and what? Windows Phone and Android? Windows Phone and Windows RT?

No, the phone I'd plunk down money for is one that doesn't require dual booting. One powered by Windows RT, so I can use it like Windows Phone, or switch and plug in an external monitor and use it like a full PC.

Personally, I would want Windows Phone and Android 4.4. Being a developer, and a tinkerer, I would love to have a twofer to play with. RT doesn't do anything for me that phone doesn't do...

Someone else is coming out with an Android/Ubuntu dual-boot (http://developer.ubuntu.com/20...ual-boot-developer-preview/) and the reasoning for going multi-boot for me would be similar.

Or hell, why not multi-boot Android/WP/Ubuntu at that point...

The problem with a Surface phone, would simply be the fact that it's still a Windows Phone and it doesn't nearly have the same popular capabilities, Apps, and Developer support as Android and Apple. It basically would be nothing more than lipstick on a pig.

yeah, in a world where apple is lipstick and android is a pig

windows phone HAS those popular capabilities, few are the number of official apps that you cannot find - alternatives are low in numbers i give you that but the urban legend that windows phone has no apps is not true anymore however lazy idiot bloggers and fandroid sites make sure that "WP has no apps" mantra keeps circulating

i dont say you cant find something thats missing, i dont say wp has the same amounts of games, weather apps, put-a-mustache-on-my-photo crap as android or ios but the MAJOR problem is gone

VictorWho said,
The problem with a Surface phone, would simply be the fact that it's still a Windows Phone and it doesn't nearly have the same popular capabilities, Apps, and Developer support as Android and Apple. It basically would be nothing more than lipstick on a pig.

I think I'm going to need a list of those popular capabilities and apps that are it's lacking...

Because as a user, I don't see much I ever need or want...

M_Lyons10 said,

I think I'm going to need a list of those popular capabilities and apps that are it's lacking...

Because as a user, I don't see much I ever need or want...

Have you ever used a WM device? There a lot of features that WM had and WP, regrettably, still miss.

Fritzly said,

Have you ever used a WM device? There a lot of features that WM had and WP, regrettably, still miss.

There are also a lot of capabilities and features WP has that WM would never of had. (Full DirectX, etc.)

WM was ok for the time, but if Microsoft reverted back to the API model of WM, it would be a security and stability nightmare. They might as well just throw iOS or Android in it.

The reason WP is fast, stable and secure is what it 'gave up' that is NO LONGER needed. Apps don't need access to touch other Apps or draw on other Apps or draw on the OS screen or hook into the UI, and on and on.

WP has native code, DirectX and is getting closer to the richer WinRT framework for things like Printing and device drivers. The last two items are really the only thing 'missing' from the WM era that WP still needs.

WM was brilliant in its time, but as the iPhone taught the world, people are ok with dumb smartphones. WM had more features than the iPhone does today, and that is including its first iteration of PocketPC in 2002. Obviously people didn't want a non-close market or low level programmability.

JHBrown said,
Sales would say otherwise!

sales wasn't even in the context of the discussion, but if we want to compare sales to 2010, 1-2million vs 10 million currently a quarter. the nearest competitor is apple with 32 million. I'd say sales are doing pretty good,and growth is what is important, whereas companies like apple have been losing share.

Mobius Enigma said,

There are also a lot of capabilities and features WP has that WM would never of had. (Full DirectX, etc.)

WM was ok for the time, but if Microsoft reverted back to the API model of WM, it would be a security and stability nightmare. They might as well just throw iOS or Android in it.

The reason WP is fast, stable and secure is what it 'gave up' that is NO LONGER needed. Apps don't need access to touch other Apps or draw on other Apps or draw on the OS screen or hook into the UI, and on and on.

WP has native code, DirectX and is getting closer to the richer WinRT framework for things like Printing and device drivers. The last two items are really the only thing 'missing' from the WM era that WP still needs.

WM was brilliant in its time, but as the iPhone taught the world, people are ok with dumb smartphones. WM had more features than the iPhone does today, and that is including its first iteration of PocketPC in 2002. Obviously people didn't want a non-close market or low level programmability.

The idea that something is not there because "it is no needed, or no longer needed" is applesque; Windows achieved World OS dominance because it embraced the exact opposite approach offering people options and flexibility.

I have used a PDA, or an ancestor of what is commonly called a PDA which was a Casio pf-8000, since 1982 and it already had "Touch".
http://www.voidware.com/calcs/pf8000.htm
Furthermore the only reason the iPhone went to, temporarily, reign was because the upper MS Echelon, seating on a comfortable 40% of the market, treated development of the WM next iteration, called Photon, as a child of a lesser God. If you really think that the only features WP needs are "Printing and device drivers" you should check what people are requesting:
http://windowsphone.uservoice..../101801-feature-suggestions
As for the concept that people want a smartphone that is dumb and closed, well Android market share seems to indicate the opposite; the real point is that a closed, walled marketplace is very lucrative for Apple as well as MS and everybody else.

Windows Phone store just recently passed the 200,000 apps mark, so the crap that people say that it doesn't have any apps is bull****, most official apps are there or coming, 3rd party apps are great. Windows Phone 8.1 will narrow the gap considerably with the software side of the OS, so really no excuses now other than the fanboy, blogger crap going around.

Sales outside of the US, IE the rest of the world have actually been very good and even in the last quarter up against the 5s and 5c it didn't loose any ground.

Fritzly said,

Have you ever used a WM device? There a lot of features that WM had and WP, regrettably, still miss.


I did for years. I feel WP is a much better OS.

M_Lyons10 said,

I did for years. I feel WP is a much better OS.

Personally I find WP less capable, for my needs of course, than WP. I like the concept but not the Steve Jobs, kind of " we know what you need and this is the best way to do it" approach.

vcfan said,

sales wasn't even in the context of the discussion, but if we want to compare sales to 2010, 1-2million vs 10 million currently a quarter. the nearest competitor is apple with 32 million. I'd say sales are doing pretty good,and growth is what is important, whereas companies like apple have been losing share.

WP competitor is Android not Apple; the latter does not offer $150 devices, the former does.

Fritzly said,

The idea that something is not there because "it is no needed, or no longer needed" is applesque; Windows achieved World OS dominance because it embraced the exact opposite approach offering people options and flexibility.

I have used a PDA, or an ancestor of what is commonly called a PDA which was a Casio pf-8000, since 1982 and it already had "Touch".
http://www.voidware.com/calcs/pf8000.htm
Furthermore the only reason the iPhone went to, temporarily, reign was because the upper MS Echelon, seating on a comfortable 40% of the market, treated development of the WM next iteration, called Photon, as a child of a lesser God. If you really think that the only features WP needs are "Printing and device drivers" you should check what people are requesting:
http://windowsphone.uservoice..../101801-feature-suggestions
As for the concept that people want a smartphone that is dumb and closed, well Android market share seems to indicate the opposite; the real point is that a closed, walled marketplace is very lucrative for Apple as well as MS and everybody else.

I happen to agree with you mostly.

The iPhone was a limited device and should never have become the darling it was, especially when it failed to offer 3rd party Apps, Bluetooth, and other key features that even non-smartphones had as standard.

Windows was successful based on options, but it also hit a point where the options became a major security risk in the XP era. Windows 7/8 do nicely at containing the security risks through several technologies like virtualization and code monitoring that is transparent to users and gives them a pseudo 'isolation' model.

One could argue that these technologies could be used instead of a new application framework designed with isolation and security as a pillar. However, the world was also screaming for something beyond Win32 and Microsoft also had a new paradigm of development concepts to integrate from MVVM to a true OO framework. WM was based on a Win32 subset, and WP7 introduced a pre-design model of WinRT. WP is faster than WM, more secure, and attempts to offer an easier UI model for developers.

As for 'features' of WP that are 'missing' I was talking specifically what the API set lacks for developers that are coming. However, Microsoft will never allow Apps to break out of their isolation, as it is the best model for security and stability and even performance.

If you want to write an App that overlays on top of other Apps, it probably will never happen on WP or WinRT as they are merged.

One would argue that Android and iOS should NEVER have allowed Apps to have that type of unfettered access either, and it is more of a PROBLEM than a 'feature'. Notice that since WP came along, Apple locked down iOS trying to be closer to the WP model than the completely chaotic Android model.

You don't want Apps having permissions to touch things they should never touch. WP is several years old now, and a lot of 'hackers' hate it; yet, it has had ZERO malware and in theory may never have malware because of the way the platform is designed that is 'somewhat' limited for developers, but not truly limited as the API expands for device support, which is what I talking about with the printing and device 'framework' level drivers that WinRT added.

Fritzly said,

WP competitor is Android not Apple; the latter does not offer $150 devices, the former does.

what a ridiculous statement.

according to your logic, apple doesn't compete with anybody.

Apple doesn't really compete with anybody. Apple don't care about Marketshare, Apple does their own thing and looks for profit, big profit. Do some googles and you will find articles about exactly this.

vcfan said,

what a ridiculous statement.

according to your logic, apple doesn't compete with anybody.

Does Casio compete with Vacheron Constantin? No it does not. WP devices like Lumia 920 and 928 are targeted at the same market segment of the iPhone, a Lumia 520 does not.

Edited by zhangm, Dec 26 2013, 5:11am :

derekaw said,
Apple doesn't really compete with anybody. Apple don't care about Marketshare, Apple does their own thing and looks for profit, big profit. Do some googles and you will find articles about exactly this.

An attitude like that will see them back in bankruptcy. That's how they went bankrupt last time.

Bill Gates probably won't bail them out a second time.

Anything is possible, all I know is that Apples current strategy has made them one of the most successful companies on the planet.

derekaw said,
Anything is possible, all I know is that Apples current strategy has made them one of the most successful companies on the planet.

The strategy hasn't been so kind in the last year, and they are looking more and more like their old 1990's self.

rfirth said,

The strategy hasn't been so kind in the last year, and they are looking more and more like their old 1990's self.

I respectfully disagree. Microsoft looks like the Apple of 1990. Scrambling with their products and no clear direction.

JHBrown said,
I respectfully disagree. Microsoft looks like the Apple of 1990. Scrambling with their products and no clear direction.

I actually, 'sort of' agree with this.

The difference I see is that Apple lacked technology in the 90s creating their scrambling and now Microsoft lacks consumer confidence.

With Microsoft nor longer having consumer confidence, it limits how far they can push users with technology and also makes their internal teams too easily influenced into bad directions, helping to inflate the chaos.

A Surface phone using Windows Update as my Tablet does, completely bypassing sloppy OEMs and carriers would be an instant hit... Worldwide.

vcfan said,
they already bypassed oems and carriers with Update 3. no need to wait for carriers anymore.

They did? I thought that went through the carriers and OEMs as well...?

vcfan said,
they already bypassed oems and carriers with Update 3. no need to wait for carriers anymore.

Not really: what the people who registered, downloaded the app and opted in got access to is a Beta release of GDR 3; not quite the same thing of buying a device, or even install a new MS OS on an existing one and having Windows Update automatically taking care of everything. I am talking about average users, not people reading sites as Neowin.

If Microsoft could make this happen that would be great. Not like they're afraid to write of almost a billion dollars on an experiment, right?

I really hope it happens... and built like the Surface... sturdy, built-in kickstand, and support for mini blades/covers... that would resolve the QWERTY keyboard issue some people have... and it'd act as a cool cover

I am not sure how blades will solve people's issue missing qwerty keyboards?! Those people want to use keyboard while holding the phone. Blades along with kickstand is used on the desk to the best of my knowledge

every Surface Phone mock has been 1000x better looking than any phone released. I scratch my head why MS hasnt done this already.

Nice mock! But...it has to be beyond the look of the device to justify using the Surface name. If it had a kickstand like the Surface tablet, then sure. The real value proposition here is being the first phone with 128GB on-board storage and being the first device that merges WP and Windows RT together as one OS.

seebaran said,
Nice mock! But...it has to be beyond the look of the device to justify using the Surface name. If it had a kickstand like the Surface tablet, then sure. The real value proposition here is being the first phone with 128GB on-board storage and being the first device that merges WP and Windows RT together as one OS.

The HTC HD7 had a kickstand although I used it very seldom.

seebaran said,
Nice mock! But...it has to be beyond the look of the device to justify using the Surface name. If it had a kickstand like the Surface tablet, then sure. The real value proposition here is being the first phone with 128GB on-board storage and being the first device that merges WP and Windows RT together as one OS.

adding a kickstand will confuse the Verge Staff...they will try to use it on their lap...and it will be compared to a Macbook

Vu Nguyen said,

adding a kickstand will confuse the Verge Staff...they will try to use it on their lap...and it will be compared to a Macbook


HAHAHA

Vu Nguyen said,

adding a kickstand will confuse the Verge Staff...they will try to use it on their lap...and it will be compared to a Macbook

LMAO, the was classic, yet so conceivable...lol

mnl1121 said,
Who wants a physical keyboard anymore? Hello 2008 bring this man a Blackberry.

I want a physical keyboard anymore, and not a tiny cramped blackberry one. There is still demand for physical keyboards on phones.

Liana said,

I want a physical keyboard anymore, and not a tiny cramped blackberry one. There is still demand for physical keyboards on phones.

They do need to diversify the WP selection. If someone wants a slide out keyboard, etc, there should be one out there that suits their needs...

M_Lyons10 said,

They do need to diversify the WP selection. If someone wants a slide out keyboard, etc, there should be one out there that suits their needs...

And they have made them and nobody would buy them. WP8 fully supports a keyboard design.

Mobius Enigma said,

And they have made them and nobody would buy them. WP8 fully supports a keyboard design.


They made 1, by Dell, and it was crap... And not available through carriers...

That hardly fills a need. People didn't even know it existed.

That by no means implies that there isn't a market for phones with keyboards that are 1) Well built, and 2) Widely available.

M_Lyons10 said,

They do need to diversify the WP selection. If someone wants a slide out keyboard, etc, there should be one out there that suits their needs...

Then people would complain that the phone is too thick, heavy, and bulky. There's no way to please everyone.

uxo22 said,

Then people would complain that the phone is too thick, heavy, and bulky. There's no way to please everyone.

And that is the reason why different models are needed; some people want a low price device, some want a top device, some want a top camera and do not care if the device has a hump, some want a 6" device while others would not carry anything bigger than 4.5/5", finally some people like a physical keyboard and do not mind the increased thickness.

M_Lyons10 said,

They made 1, by Dell, and it was crap... And not available through carriers...

That hardly fills a need. People didn't even know it existed.

That by no means implies that there isn't a market for phones with keyboards that are 1) Well built, and 2) Widely available.

I agree, there is a market, but is it big enough?

How about instead of a bulky keyboard, Microsoft design a Portfolio case for a WP that has a keyboard in the flap - like the Surface tablet keyboard/case?

Although there is not currently WP support, a good HID Bluetooth keyboard could provide a keyboard designed for a phone and let the user decide if they need it.

M_Lyons10 said,

They made 1, by Dell, and it was crap... And not available through carriers...

Before Windows Phone came out, they had beta developer devices. One of them was the LG GW910... a pretty nice phone with a slide out keyboard. But they never updated it to the RTM version of WP7, and never sold it to the public.

Made typing very easy, and you don't need the on-screen keyboard taking up half the screen.

Fritzly said,

And that is the reason why different models are needed; some people want a low price device, some want a top device, some want a top camera and do not care if the device has a hump, some want a 6" device while others would not carry anything bigger than 4.5/5", finally some people like a physical keyboard and do not mind the increased thickness.

And although I agree with your point, no company is going to produce all of these products and risk taking a loss in profits for the models that fall out of favor or never catch on. Seriously, which of the top phone on the market has a hard keyboard?

Mobius Enigma said,

I agree, there is a market, but is it big enough?

How about instead of a bulky keyboard, Microsoft design a Portfolio case for a WP that has a keyboard in the flap - like the Surface tablet keyboard/case?

Although there is not currently WP support, a good HID Bluetooth keyboard could provide a keyboard designed for a phone and let the user decide if they need it.


Well, there's no way of knowing without releasing one... But I think there is most certainly a market for it. A phone is an extension of you and your personal preferences. Just as some people want large screens while others don't, some people prefer physical keypads.

There should be an option available for everyone's preference...

Many stopped using them for high end products because they involve too many small parts, increasing production and manufacturing costs. Most likely why the Q10 was and is more expensive than the Z10.

M_Lyons10 said,

Well, there's no way of knowing without releasing one... But I think there is most certainly a market for it. A phone is an extension of you and your personal preferences. Just as some people want large screens while others don't, some people prefer physical keypads.

There should be an option available for everyone's preference...

I still think a removable or optional design would be the best, this would reduce cost/parts issues and help reparability. It also allow for variations in keyboard design from clickkey to softkey, etc.

That would be awesome... and that would resolve the issue for people who want QWERTY keyboards... and it would act as a cover so no screen protector

Enron said,
Where's the SD card slot?
When you lay down a SD card on the screen or back, the phone will absorb it, so no slot is required.

Studio384 said,
When you lay down a SD card on the screen or back, the phone will absorb it, so no slot is required.

Or maybe it comes with 256 GB of storage built in.

Studio384 said,
Nha, that's way to complicated to build.

What makes you say that? I believe Samsung already has 128gb phones, and if you haven't noticed tablets, which often use the same storage technology, are already coming with 128-256gb built-in eMMC storage. Not far off from making 64-256gb the norm ranges in phone storage options. People said the same thing when 32GB first became available for an iPhone. Or the first 1TB hard drives came out (now there's 4TB). 1TB SSD's? Would never happen. Oh wait...

spenser.d said,
Its just a photo mockup. Pick a spot somewhere along the side and that's your answer.

Actually if you add a kickstand there is a potential to add both microSD slot and swappable battery.

WAR-DOG said,
Sorry, I thought that Surface was Microsofts tablet...

So, what, you read the title of the article and looked at the pictures, then just posted something? Why not read the article before making comments.

WAR-DOG said,
Sorry, I thought that Surface was Microsofts tablet...

Surface is Microsoft's hardware brand. It was first used for a table before it was used for their tablets. Similar to how Samsung has Galaxy phones, tablets, tvs, etc. It's entirely possible for Microsoft to release a Surface phone. The Lumia line is aimed at consumers so its smart to use a seperate branding for business.

sanke1 said,

With those sharp edges, our thighs would need a protective case instead of the phone.


Looks no sharper than the 928... LOL

sanke1 said,

With those sharp edges, our thighs would need a protective case instead of the phone.

There's always somebody dropping the negativity on things. smh

sanke1 said,

With those sharp edges, our thighs would need a protective case instead of the phone.

It cuts like a knife, but it feels so right. Lol