UK To Propose Banning Plasma TV's

The Conservatives in the UK will propose banning plasma screens and other energy-guzzling electrical goods in a report to be unveiled next week. The proposals target white goods like fridges and freezers, as well as TVs, personal computers and DVD players that use too much energy or operate on stand-by. The ideas come from a Conservative group set up by David Cameron to develop policies to protect the environment and although the measures to make household electrical appliances more energy efficient are not binding on Mr Cameron, they are thought likely to be warmly received by the Tory leader.

The group will also suggest scrapping Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a measure of the nation's success in favour of a model that measures people's happiness drawn up up by Friends of the Earth. Under the proposals, a cap could be set on the energy use of each electrical appliance, and those exceeding limits could be banned from sale in the UK. A new labelling requirement could be introduced to inform consumers of products' annual energy consumption compared with other similar appliances. And there could be a ban on electrical goods with stand-by lights which can stay on indefinitely. Some 2 per cent of Britain's total electricity use is currently taken up by appliances left on stand-by rather than being switched off.

The proposals are set to be unveiled on Thursday in the final report of the Tories' Quality of Life Policy Group, chaired by former Environment Secretary John Gummer and green activist Zac Goldsmith, a Conservative spokesman confirmed. Prime Minister Gordon Brown has already announced his ambition to "eliminate" the stand-by function on appliances, which was blasted by the Government's energy review last year as a waste of electricity. The report is expected to focus on plasma-screen TVs as particularly wasteful of electricity, and it is thought that many models would fall foul of proposed energy cap unless dramatically more efficient technology is developed.

Householders are also expected to be offered tax cuts potentially worth thousands of pounds to make their homes more energy-efficient. Mr Gummer warned: "We live in a joined-up world and yet we organise our lives in silos. The imperative of global warming demands that we change that approach utterly - not just governments, but businesses, groups and individuals."

News source: The Sun

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What's unbelievable is that people who are touting global warming are working with recorded temperatures that are only a couple of centuries worth out of the MULTIPLE BILLION year lifetime of this planet. It's sort of like like going to 5 people on the street in the US and asking them how many cheeseburgers they ate in the last month and the month before, and then projecting a blanket statement with numbers saying "80% of all diets in the WORLD consists of cheeseburgers". If they want to say the planet's warming, then it's a THEORY not necessarily FACT (just yet). I'm not saying global warming isn't occurring, but I will say that man may not necessarily be the cause either.

What's worse is that the facts are there about Earth's weather cycle, it's been proven that the ecosystem goes through phases of warming and cooling, if you don't believe me then why did we have ice ages in the past with warm periods in between, before the dawn of humanity's Industrial Age?

If you really want to reduce global warming, try doing things like eradicating the coal fires in China, and stop eating beef, since their farts contain more greenhouse gases than we humans put out. Get a grip, green people, you have to look at the big picture.

The group will also suggest scrapping Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a measure of the nation’s success in favour of a model that measures people’s happiness drawn up up by Friends of the Earth.

I don't think I've ever laughed so much as I did when I read that gem. The irony being that if F.O.T.E disbanded and stopped trying to dictate how all should live their lives, I'd be a **** sight happier for starters!

This is ridiculous, the UK accounts for 1% of global emissions. Even if we did everything we could it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

Yep, you're right there, i don't see why we have to put up with all this green bullturd, when the US won't even ratify the Kyoto Agreement...

"Damage the economy" my rear.

whilst I think this idea has some very good base, i still think that banning would go too far.
it's the goverment's responsibility to take taxes to a higher level so when you consume energy you could help the environment with those taxes so its equals again...
not possible? YES, unpopular? YES... what to do? that's whats being discussed, but i think a ban would go to far as for banning a whole KIND of product and not just single products...
I personally would still buy an LCD, the "better image quality" is just not worth participating more in destroying the environment (and also paying more, too)

Glassed Silver:mbl

Things like this are just empty promises, like most things put in campaign manifestos, it'll be quietly forgotten.

Problem is, I'm a tory; I've always been a tory and I've always voted tory. Proposals like this make me NOT want to give them my vote next time...

Does he want to stay alive 0.o? banning energy guzzling products is silly, who does he think he is....O wait their not gonna win any voters.

Cameron can come and reimburse me personally for all my plasmas then! I'll take a cheque, just put your details on the back...

Oh sorry, this is meaningless posturing? Ah, that's ok then!

The best way to save power is to turn off the massive amounts of road lights that light up thousands of kilometers of roads in every nation every night. Now that's a waste of money.

Average TV on standby uses just 5 watts. Loosing remote control ability by removing standby is one of the most ridiculous proposals. Just by replacing standard 100W bulb with Energy Saving Bulb (20W) in your house will do much better job without loosing any functionality (and it will reduce your electricity bill too).

It amazes me on how much lies people are ready to tell and b******t to pull out in order to rise taxes (politicians) and prices (supermarkets) by using "green" as excuse. It makes all "green" movement very dirty. Its become just another PR tool to steal money from people by exploiting their guilt.

Real true is that price usually reflects amount of resources spend on product (for example reducing package makes price cheaper). If all "green" products in you supermarket has higher prices then you must to know that this is 100% rip-off and your local supermarket is conning you. Most of people just refusing to understand that mass production made with machines (like tractors) is much "greener" and cheaper than same production made by using organic force (like humans or horses) because you can turn OFF tractor but you can't turn OFF horse.

P.S.: Scrapping Gross Domestic Product (GDP) evaluation looks like attempt to hide upcoming economy condition. What next? Free Prozac prescriptions before political surveys?

why dont we just ban TV's full stop?
and whilst we are in the banning mode, a ban on cars, smoking (already active), and talking!

peacemf said,
why dont we just ban TV's full stop?
and whilst we are in the banning mode, a ban on cars, smoking (already active), and talking!

How very unhumourous.

That would suck . . . despite the advancements in lcd's, the black levels and color accuracy still do no match that of the best plasma's (at least not yet). . my kuro series pioneer 5080 is gorgeous, with some of the deepest blacks on the market, and i'm betting all the UK owners of the equivalent model would say the same. . (i also have a few high-end lcd's, and like them for other reasons, but in all honesty the new plasmas just kickass in overall PQ, can't wait for my pioneer 6010 to arrive :p)

there is no way this would pass . . enthusiast's would still order them in somehow, and it would **** so many customers off.. it would be almost a crime to the evolution of HDTV to ban plasmas, plus wouldn't it create a near monopoly for the LCD companies?

If you want to regulate something like this, you don't ban it, you tax it.

It's like incandescent light bulbs and marijuana...

Smoking just one cannabis joint raises danger of mental illness by 40%.

Link

Also, 1 joint per week poses the same cancer risk as 1 pack of smokes a week. Scientific fact, so don't start the pot head nonsense.

On topic: Ban all the energy guzzling machines. I don't like machines anyway, they decrease human productivity and promote laziness.

Mike Frett said,
Smoking just one cannabis joint raises danger of mental illness by 40%.

Link

Also, 1 joint per week poses the same cancer risk as 1 pack of smokes a week. Scientific fact, so don't start the pot head nonsense.

On topic: Ban all the energy guzzling machines. I don't like machines anyway, they decrease human productivity and promote laziness.

You can hardly consider a single study to be scientific fact.

Andareed said,

You can hardly consider a single study to be scientific fact.

True. Most studies actually show that drug taking can be a result OF mental illness rather than the cause of it. There are those who have smoked cannabis lightly over several decades and experienced no effect. Most people I know actually prefer it to alcohol.

How is this proposal even viable? So they're planning to tell all the consumers who saved up for half a year and bought a shiny new plasma that they have to get rid of it? How are they going to compensate them for capital loss?

What a load of crap.

I'd be interested to know how much electricity is wasted by various electronics being left on standby. Eliminating it would force people to turn electronics off.

The best way (as mentioned) is to just give tax cuts to those who are greener, rather than ban electronics as proposed. Then you can have a plasma TV if you want, but you pay for it tax wise. The money can then (theoretically) be spent on something "green" to compensate for the TV.

I disagree. Products that are too wasteful / damaging SHOULD be banned. I'm all for personal freedom but we're talking about the welfare of the planet and the future of the human race... I think forcing manufacturers to be greener is a good idea. There should also be tough restrictions of fuel consumption for cars, with anything managing less than 30MPG being banned outright, with a licencing scheme for businesses that require them.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I disagree. Products that are too wasteful / damaging SHOULD be banned. I'm all for personal freedom but we're talking about the welfare of the planet and the future of the human race... I think forcing manufacturers to be greener is a good idea. There should also be tough restrictions of fuel consumption for cars, with anything managing less than 30MPG being banned outright, with a licencing scheme for businesses that require them.

screw that... theres a thing called fun and that usually requires a car that drinks gas like crazy... and NO WAY i would support banning stuff of that sort!

although i would not mind the average car doing what u where saying give or take a little.

ThaCrip said,
screw that... theres a thing called fun and that usually requires a car that drinks gas like crazy... and NO WAY i would support banning stuff of that sort!

although i would not mind the average car doing what u where saying give or take a little.

If you were a brit, you'd realise that the average car DID do more than 30mpg, it's just americans haven't realised the benefit of EFFICIENCY.

You need like a 7-litre engine to get the same power as what we do in a 3.2... Turbo's are a great piece of technology.

Liquidfox said,

If you were a brit, you'd realise that the average car DID do more than 30mpg, it's just americans haven't realised the benefit of EFFICIENCY.

You need like a 7-litre engine to get the same power as what we do in a 3.2... Turbo's are a great piece of technology.

We realize the benefit of efficiency. It's the greed of Big Oil that has prevented certain technologies to come to light to help with that.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I disagree. Products that are too wasteful / damaging SHOULD be banned. I'm all for personal freedom but we're talking about the welfare of the planet and the future of the human race... I think forcing manufacturers to be greener is a good idea. There should also be tough restrictions of fuel consumption for cars, with anything managing less than 30MPG being banned outright, with a licencing scheme for businesses that require them.

The majority of the population would take the cheaper tax option though, if the tax penalty for owning such equipment was severe enough.

The problem for me is where will it stop?

Its just like Al Gore making "An Inconvenient Truth" and then having a HUGE mansion for a house that is about 4 times worse for the environment than an average home.

That, his demand that we live in straw huts, and John Edwards demanding that we give up our SUV's while he gets to keep his. Damn, who is going to stop the deliberate hypocrisy of these losers??

Hooray another Minority Group that the Conservatives have managed to latch onto, why is it that the Tories can never seem to find that Centre Ground?

Until they stop doing these stupid proposals (really the banning of PC's would shutdown the country economically), my vote is not going anywhere near them.

If "Friends of the Earth" had their way, we'd all be living in Mud Huts and riding the old Horse and Buggy. But atleast there wouldn't be any Global Warming right?

The group will also suggest scrapping Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a measure of the nation’s success in favour of a model that measures people’s happiness drawn up up by Friends of the Earth.

Thats what I find scary...

seriesly, only idiots would vote for the conservatives and there bull**** ideas, what a load of crap, i bet that prick cameron has lots of `energy guzzling` equipment himself

Standby mode, as I recall, was a "green" concept made law. Now everything is on all the time because of that. I guess it's less embarrassing to enforce new laws than admit old ones were incompetent.

Standby mode never really made sense to me.

Almost any device that shuts down to standby should just shut down to off, unless it needs to do something like "wake on a time interval" or "wake on LAN", and I'd expect they could design those with a seperate module just to run the waking mechanism (from what I've heard, a power supply which goes to 80 percent efficient under normal loads can be only like 25% efficient on a standby-size load)

Hopefully they don't list those with the full blown computers with teh 1KW power supplies running multiple graphincs cards and stuff.

I think banning energy guzzling appliances is just silly, but I'm all for labelling them so consumers are better aware of it. After all, they have to pay the electric bill.

Kushan said,
I think banning energy guzzling appliances is just silly, but I'm all for labelling them so consumers are better aware of it. After all, they have to pay the electric bill.

And the rest of us have to pay the price of global warming.

Still, just outright banning stuff is wrong. Oh and whats with tree-hugging hippys in Friends Of The Earth deciding how successful a nation is? Sounds like Mr Cameron and the Conservatives are just jumping onto a "green" bandwagon.. something they are quite practised at. They are so losing the next general election.

The FOE aren't "tree-hugging hippies", they're a group of people who do a lot of research and work alongside governments to reduce pollution and such. They've never once tied themselves to trees or anything like that.

TCLN Ryster said,

And the rest of us have to pay the price of global warming.


Global Warming is still hotly debated. So far there just isn't enough proof to say that pollution, etc. is causing the shift in the environment as opposed to saying that it's just Earth's natural cycle.

However, I do agree that we need to be more responsible about how much energy we use simply because it will cut down on pollution even if it doesn't effect the environment. This would also save people tons of money every year. I don't think banning energy hogs is the right way to go though.

QuarterSwede said,

Global Warming is still hotly debated. So far there just isn't enough proof to say that pollution, etc. is causing the shift in the environment as opposed to saying that it's just Earth's natural cycle.

However, I do agree that we need to be more responsible about how much energy we use simply because it will cut down on pollution even if it doesn't effect the environment. This would also save people tons of money every year. I don't think banning energy hogs is the right way to go though.

As far as global warming is concerned, well, I honestly just don't think there's enough data for it. We've only recorded the temperatures for a very little while as opposed to how the Earth's been for millions of years. A century just isn't long enough.

But even if you don't believe in global warming or could give a rats ass about pollution, I think we can all agree on wanting lower prices.

Though, I don't think banning products like plasma TVs is the way to go about doing it. If you want to spend thousands of dollars on energy guzzling products, you should be able to. So long as your paying for it.

We'reliving in a world of technology, the the amount of gadgets ene eletronics in peoples houses aren't going to go down.

As for the whole power save mode crap. what do you think people will do if you remove power save ? yeah exactly, sure they'll turn off the TV, but the stereo, thgamign console that's all goign to stay on permament, removing power save or sleep modes from computers, yeah allot of us on this site allready leave the computer on, that'll mean a whole lot more will.

removing the power sav is a dead endm bannign epower hungry devices is just stupid.

What we need is production of more clean energy, from wind, solar, wave generators or Nuclear.

There is no debate over global warming, except the debate that Big Oil has manufactured to fool suckers like you into thinking that real scientists are still having a meaningfully debate on the issue. Global warming is real, climate change is happening now, and if you think otherwise then you've been tricked into adopting that position. End of story.

Croquant said,
There is no debate over global warming, except the debate that Big Oil has manufactured to fool suckers like you into thinking that real scientists are still having a meaningfully debate on the issue. Global warming is real, climate change is happening now, and if you think otherwise then you've been tricked into adopting that position. End of story.

I think the only one tricked are all you Global Warming "believers"

You figureheads don't even believe in GW, they are just using it as a ploy to get laws passed that hurt most economies and do NOTHING to help pollution or conserve energy.