Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself

Don Reisinger has written an article on Windows Vista and how it has turned out to be one of the biggest blunders in Microsoft's history, not my personal view but a good read all the same. Place your vote by clicking "Member Poll" bottom right of this article if you agree or not.

While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system savior we've all been waiting for, it has turned out to be one of the biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are inexcusable and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux playbook, Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.

As we're more than aware, Vista Ultimate comes at a premium. For an additional $160 over the Premium SKU price, Ultimate gives you a complete backup and restore option, BitLocker Drive encryption, the ever so popular Windows Fax & Scan, and the "Ultimate Extras." But what started with a promise of "Extras" by summer, quickly turned into an apology from Microsoft and the eventual release of DreamScene and Windows Hold 'Em (among others) today. And while each of the "Extras" runs just fine, Microsoft's "Extras" blunder is just another reason why the company must abandon Vista before it's too late.

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...one of the biggest blunders in Microsoft's history...

I'd have to disagree, Bob and ME where a little worse ;). Now from a business perspective, we will have to wait and see. The cash cow that Microsoft banks on is business (SMBs to large corps) adoption and saturation; those rates have been dismal so far. Redmond hasn't given business users many reasons to upgrade, but there are many reasons for IT management to veto upgrading. We can hope that some of this changes with the release of service packs. I know our company won't touch Vista until at least SP2.

Honestly speaking I think everyone has a right to their own opinion and to a certain extent yes M$ has screwed up with Vista. When they released Window 2000 Server, it was a real shift from NT4 Server. Even 2000 on both Server and Client were a significant shift. They did some eye candy as best as they could to Win 2000 Workstation to make it have a mix for both corporate and home users hence XP Pro and Home! Now from there, circa 2001 to 2007, they didn't release anything much except telling us they were cooking something in Vista. It took 6 years to the next OS and it was a major flop. It was ill timed.

Look at the server side, they release 2003 Server. I know I had issues with it but how much of an outcry was there against 2003 Server? Not as much as I'm seeing with Vista. The OS is a behemoth which with the new requirements for hardware is not well timed.

As for Mac OS, the main thing that beats Vista is the optimization of hardware and software for each other. Lets be honest, Apple knows what hardware will operate with their software so all drivers and stuff is optimized. Once it gets out of the Apple made kit then you run into trouble if it was released after the OS. All you Apple fans own up here. You know this is true. Anyway, I'm not migrating soon. When I buy my new kit and for the organisation I'll make the shift otherwise I'm staying put till then... Its just that I'm a developer for people who run Windows otherwise I've shifted most of my other stuff onto Linux. Still working on which version but the primary machine dual boots XP and Ubuntu.

I think anytime someone spends a lot of money on something, and then someone else says you wasted your money, you're going to get sensitive. Personally, I don't feel a need for vista at the moment. I'll be able to play Crysis just fine without it. Maybe in a year or two I'll get around to switching.

vista is crap yes i am one of the biggest proponents of that fact, however, SP1 i hope deals with a lot of the issues as XP SP1 did, so MS can quite easily make the OS useful, everyone knows early adopters are basically just being beta testers, but yeah the guy that wrote that is an idiot, ME was clearly the worst mistake any OS manufacturer has ever made. vista kicks ass when compared to ME and is not dead and buried.

just reading the blurb above was enough for me i woudln't even waste my time reading the rest of the crap he wrote

The damn crappy Vista looks like the older WindowsME...buggy... Is sick ...You need a lot of new hardware to move this pseudo-OS.
Is damn thing, that I think.... :suspicious: Yes, Sir.-

Maybe if the windows drank cervasa and tequila, i tink it would be better holmes!

/I really didn't "feed" the troll, did I?

The only thing I hate about Vista is UAC... that needs major work. And I know I can disable it, but I'd rather not have a completely vulnerable system.

The biggest peeve I have about UAC is that it doesn't remember previous programs and whether you allowed them or not. System Configuration, Computer Management, etc...

It's a departure from XP that people seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around. The decision to drop directx sound was not a smart move for the pc gaming market and sound accessories but other than that I think most of the new implementations were well thought out and others need tweaking which will be addressed by SP1.

In our company, the new batch of laptops was with Vista. I even used it for about a month. After that, we decided to change all current laptops and those coming in to XP. Too many problems of its own( e.g. explorer.exe crashes more often than Win95 did), too slow(file copying and moving takes too long, AFTER we have done all the Vista tweaks), bloated. 2G of memory is definitely the minimum. And with some big applicants running, the memory is not even enough. With windows XP, 2G runs lightning fast. and the UI is not user intuitive and convenient, not saying that the old windows xp/2000 UI is any better, at least we are all familiar with it now.

the good thing I have to say about Vista, I like its screensavers and icons. Microsoft should transform their Windows group to Icon Creation group. That's all, dudes.

Your typing skills are extraordinary, no doubt you're a Windows Vista supporter.

PS: You could also caps your entire sentence if you want to call more attention.

Still on XP here. media center edition. i hated vista. told myself I would run it for a month and see how it is. after 3 weeks i couldn;t stand it anymore. it was stable. but was too sluggish and I have a newar top of the line machine here. AMD Athlon FX-62 Dual Core 2.8 GHz CPU with 2 MB L2 Cache, asus MOBO with SLI dual 8600GT video cards (vista does not support SLI though) 4 GB of DDR2 corsair XMS memory. and 3x 500 GB SataII HDDs. then the extra. but xp flies on that machine. evertyhign is instant. with vista. it takes a little to do something. plus my machine ran hotter with vista on it than XP. I will wait until SP1 for vista and try it then.

From the results:

a technological blunder: 39
a great Operating System: 127
shabby, needs more work!: 61
I'm on Windows XP and won't upgrade: 36
I plan to upgrade: 18

So that gives us a total of:
136 votes for people that don't like it (blunder + shabby + XP) and,
145 votes for people that like it. (great + upgrade)

And this is on a Windows fansite. (Don't get me wrong! I'm in the group of Windows XP users that don't plan to upgrade! I love XP but I hate Vista.)

Imagine what would happen if this could reach di(gx2) or /. ...

This is the upgrade then everyone I know says to avoid and I've never found a compelling reason to upgrade with the known bugs and issues. The only positive features is the support for multiple CPU cores and DirectX 10. I will wait for SP1 and see how well it does. If it fails then I'll continue to wait.

i can't help but to think that, during reading the whole article that the author wasn't marketing for either the Linux or Mac platform. I've been running vista for quite some time now and not got a single but that he likes to tout. everything works and looks great under vista. the greatest advantage of vista is under the hood so to speak... but will you here anything about it from this guy? hell no. next he should have realized while writing this that microsoft isn't simply going to drop it. this guy just comes off as biased and probably bitter and has no place writing articles for a technology powerhouse such as CNET.

while points like, borrowed 'feel & look' from mac/linux might be true, its not really that despicable. Initial hardware support from industry leaders like ati/nvidia was bad, but it has drastically improved drastically over the months. its a pretty decent OS, but it will take more time for people to buy into that fact because XP did not have that much difficult when it came to adoption from 2000 or ME. Definitely the expectations were higher and MS did fell short badly. But anyone that claims Vista is bad that XP can only be less informed, to say the least.

This is ridiculous. Windows Vista may have fallen short of a bunch of people's expectations, but it is still a few steps about Windows XP when it comes to security (which is critical) and interface. Vista introduces a lot of UI improvements from XP which were so badly needed. Off the top of my head:

* Task Manager is 200% more useful in Vista than XP.
* Explorer actually has a sidebar with useful features. That "common tasks" pane in XP was a joke and completely useles (I always turned it off).
* Integrated indexed search is extremely useful. Add-ons for XP to give such features tend to slow things down a few clicks.
* An updated control panel that has very good descriptive and guided text for new users. XP's control panel was only useful in "Classic Mode" as the updated simplified view was so limited it was useless.

Vista struggles with hardware support which is a mix of Microsoft's problems and hardware venders, but I don't remember hardware support being any better when XP was initially released.

The increment from XP to Vista is about on the same order as MacOS Panther to Tiger. So I'm not sure what everyone is complaining about here, where as when Tiger came out everyone who was writing these types of articles were full of praise for Apple. (Yes I have a Mac and stay up-to-date on that OS as well).

No one is arguing that Vista is revolutionary, and it certainly won't make you any more productive with your daily work on a desktop compared to XP. But making a blanket statement like it is Microsoft's worse product to date and it is going to drive Microsoft out of business is just ridiculous.

"This is the truest statement in the history of true statements:

I also find it interesting that Microsoft decided to take the user access control concept from Mac OS X and make it much worse. Can someone please explain to me why I need to be asked if I wanted to do something entirely innocuous like open a third-party app from a well-known software company?

Its so obvious Vista is a mess. Ive never gone back to the previous OS after buying and installing the new one until now. Add to that its not just me, pretty much every one I know has reverted back to XP or is dual booting and rarely touches Vista, that has never happened...that's a problem..it a huge problem. And for you guys that keep defending this blunder that makes ME look like OSX, you are not helping the situation at all and are outright lairs in some cases and yes, fanpeople. See, the definition of a fanboy is someone who keeps using something that is so obviously an abortion and defends it beyond any reason. Thats you, HELLO! If SP1 does not improve Vista in a huge way Im finally going to make the switch...I know many people that already have.

solardog said,
"This is the truest statement in the history of true statements:

Its so obvious Vista is a mess. Ive never gone back to the previous OS after buying and installing the new one until now. Add to that its not just me, pretty much every one I know has reverted back to XP or is dual booting and rarely touches Vista, that has never happened...that's a problem..it a huge problem....

apparently you and everyone you know have last century hardware :D. In my case (and apparently for 115 other neowinians at the moment i saw the poll result) Vista runs perfectly fine. only issue i have in my desktop are the nvidia drivers, but other than that its perfectly fine.

Anyway... why are you waiting so much to switch to mac? whats keeping you?

Vista is a slight improvement over XP so long as your willing to spend for 4 GB of Memory. In 2010 vista will be primetime and xp will be to old.

i havn't had any spyware on my pc since i installed vista. no joke, i find spyware doctor and panda etc... to be a waste of time now (despite them being very good products anyway)

i like vista very much, for my own personal use anyway, i'm fine. now i read on the forums about users giving a thumbs up to SP1, can't wait for that

I haven't had spyware on XP since... 2 or 3 years ago I'd say.

And those same people who were praising SP1 are the ones that said the stability pack was incredible and that no one would need SP1.

That was a stupid article. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, but Microsoft isn't going to abandon Vista. Not after all the money they put into making it. And the fact it would be illegal to do so for all the people who already purchased it.

Vista gets a bad rap that it doesn't deserve. It runs everything I have just fine. Whether its worth its upgrade price, most definitely not. But it works just as fast as XP and is not any more buggy than XP is.
I'm even running the 64bit version which technically should have all the more problems for me.

Where Microsoft is going wrong is with their insane licensing requirements. It gets worse and worse with every new version of Windows. To the point that people will no longer upgrade to it... which already is starting to happen. Their OEM versions won't even let you use the software after upgrading your computer, and Microsoft won't reset it either if you call them. Thats just wrong.

I got my copy free through one of their programs.

Some people are always saying Vista is so great, I guess IM wondering what all you guys use the computer that has Vista loaded on it for.

I'd expect a lot of the same things you use it for, here is a list of some of the things I use it for:

Graphic Design
Web Design
3D Animation
Programming
Watching Movies
Emailing
Word processing
Listening to music
IM
Internet
Photo Management
Remote Desktop

I use a lot of products too that all work just fine with Vista:
MS Office
Adobe CS
Dreamweaver 8
Maya 8.0
IE7
FF
Opera
ZBrush
Mudbox
Expression Studio
QuickTime
Visual Web Developer
VS.Net
MindManager
Quark
FileZilla
etc.

There are plenty of good reason to like Vista and to switch, there are plenty of reasons not to. You have to use what you like, you have to understand that MS has FAR more customers than any other OS out there so things are going to break, drivers are going to be late, etc. The amount of testing, the amount of variation of hardware, software, patched vs unpatched, custom built vrs large manufacturer. Making everything work 100% isn't going to happen.

Things I like about vista:
- Far more stable than XP ever was for me, I go weeks without restarting rather than days. I tend to restart to finish an install, I have yet to have a full system crash.

- Memory management, XP used to get slower and slow the longer it ran without restarting and the more apps you installed. Even the longer you ran application the worse it got. Vista I have experienced little to no performance hit since installing it in January. I norally would have re-installed XP once in that length of time because of quirky issues.
I was using only 2gigs of ram, and had no issues compared to XP. I just got 2 more gigs lately and that made Vista even better.

- Instant search, it's so nice to hit the Windows key and find the app or document that I need in a few seconds. That is the furthest I even go into my start menu anymore.

- One small touch is the "renaming" in vista, before it would select the whole file name including the extension, now it just selects the name, and not the extension. Small I agree, but yet so handy.

- Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) once developers start building more apps using this technology we are going to see some very cool applications to use. There are a few pretty sweet apps already but once it is the standard it's going to be sweet. (Expression Studio, http://www.thirteen23.com/labs.html has a few pretty sweet app tests, http://www.vertigo.com/familyshow.aspx there "Family Show" is pretty cool.)

The foundation Vista has laid is enourmous and as Vista continues to grow and get updated, people will realize this.

I firmly believe the version after Vista is totally going to rock, even more than what Vista does for those of us who really use and experience it with an open mind.

Why do people get so excited about Vista. I think it's bloated and over blown, but what does it matter what I think. I wont be buying it (or a new PC for another couple of years, until the DX10 hardware is entry level! ) By then Vista will have it's place written in history. Hopefully open source will get a foot hold, and then the competition will start! I'm looking forward to the next generation device - fast disk-less laptops.

im using vista, and right now it needs many improvement and that needs time, XP took many years to being what is it now, i remember people refuse to upgrade from Windows ME to XP at that time many years ago, now OEM and pc manucfacture need to get everything in order from giving 2GB of ram and beter driver support, so consumers and customers in generals dont blame vista on hardware issues.

No, it is not!.

First, Windows ME was a flop, to say people changing from me -> xp is to give a lot of important to ME. ME was the "evolution" of 98SE but people (almost all) didn't change from 98SE -> ME, instead they changed from 98SE to directly to XP (and in minor degreed with 2K).

XP attract people from Windows98 also people from Windows2K, in fact win2k = nt 5.0 and xp = nt 5.1 or you could say xp is a upgrade of 2k rather a new OS.

But Windows Vista is a total revamp, at least for new bugs, new incompatibilities and bloated specifications, breaking the hearts not only from hardware manufactured but also for programmers (Microsoft changed the rules again!) and a OS without hardware and software it's just useless.


Vista has been an array of slight letdowns.

Media Centre: Why is it virtually impossible to configure if I don't want to use the downloaded EPG data service, when other programmes can auto-scan for channels, find both the analogue and digital halves of my card, and suck back the EPG sent along with digital broadcasts?

Drivers: Why is there no 32-bit "Penalty box" for those drivers which just can't tolerate 64-bit? I went 32-bit, although I had both discs, because I didn't want to give up $150 worth of peripherals. The "signed drivers only in 64-bit unless you jump through hoops" is also an impediment to take-up, since some vendors routinely release unsigned drivers (Realtek, I'm looking at you, at least on 32-bit). Was there really a huge problem with unverified drivers running amok, especially considering that it will surely be possible for firms like Starforce to get their drivers signed?

Sidebar: Why is there no REAL AIM-compatible client for it yet? The AIM sidebar widget is a joke-- it's a front end onto a seperate copy of AIM.

Media Player: Why do you still default to ripping to WMA? Didn't you get the memo: MP3 is the format of choice for people who own MP3 players.

If you want people to upgrade, don't make them feel like they're settling. I ended up not using Media Centre, having to deal with 32-bit on my 64-bit machine, and dragging a Pidgin window into the sidebar area and hoping for the best.

Sidebar - and that's Microsoft's fault that AOL are too lazy to get a proper sidebar-compatible AIM build out?

Media Player - and it's so hard to check and change the option?

testman said,
Sidebar - and that's Microsoft's fault that AOL are too lazy to get a proper sidebar-compatible AIM build out?

Media Player - and it's so hard to check and change the option?

lol people are idiots haha

What a rubbish article he has written..feel like pelting stones at him...Don Reisinger is surely a mental-traumatic person!!....

hahahaha......


This is one of the funniest news posts Neowin has ever (not had their coffee) and posted:


Let's see.... hmmmmmm, "shall I post a Microsoft has ****ed up again article on a pro-Microsoft site"? Knowing full well, pro-"whatever" opinionated people here could never agree to disagree, they just pull up their keyboard cowboy boxing gloves, and call people Idiots!!


The fight over this chewed bone is becoming fossilized.... have fun.

i found out something interesting about the article, it is actually embedded with a subliminal message.

if you replace all occurance of "microsoft" with "the writer", and "abandon vista" with "pull his head out of his arse", the article makes much, much more sense.

the artical was very bad, i really wished he didn't mention any mac related stuff, it shows the mac up in a really bad light when you have someone spouting that much crap.

Vista was not a brilliant release but that artical sounded like a 8 year old kid in a playground.

oh my........ So we should just stop moving forward, and stay with windows xp?
I remember that there were bigger problems with the move from windows 2000 to XP than the move from XP to vista...

In norway we call this time of year "agurktid" (translated: cucumber-time), it's the time when all the experts and journalists writes and attacks things that are "popular", like electronics-retailers cellphone insurans, why some sort of sodas cam give you cancer, why walking over the road 50/50% chance of getting hit by a car...

I don't really read newpapers and weekly magazines from august to desember:p just to much crap in them.

ok, pretty sure i've had my extras for a long ass time, as well as all the others i know who have ultimate. maybe if you don't know how to find the extras(which is pretty hard), then you won't get them. people just need to chill

Wow, what badly written, biased crap. Vista has it's failings, but a lot of that article is what would be considered "anti-ms fanboy BS"

Vista is fine.

Remember when XP first came out people thought it sucked as well. It crashed all the time and nothing worked on it. By the time SP1 came around a lot of things improved and people started warming to it more.

It's only a matter of time.

But I think Vista's release went really smooth. It's a stable system.

Agreed. Every Windows operating system has its teething problems when initially released, and I experienced them too. But now things are miles ahead of how it was when Vista was first released - everything I need runs fine, so long as I'm using the latest versions.

I can understand people being disappointed about it not being as revolutionary as was touted, but it's hardly a failure.

It actually was a bit of a letdown for me, though it is slick looking and has some cool new features. They built up so many promises that, as the years went by, were dropped. The slowness of Vista and the way Microsoft monitor what you do more and more as time goes by have led me to switch 100% over to Linux, so I guess Vista was a failure in that sense because it lost Microsoft a customer who always used Windows before.

"Monitor what you do?"

What do you mean, like their User Experience Feedback programs in Windows Media Player, etc? But those are optional and they say so, giving you the option. Or the crash info that's being sent, but that's not having logged "what you do", but rather "what crashed the application". And even that is also optional, although it surely won't help anyone in the future if you don't opt to tell them what kind of problems some applications have.

The only big "feature" that was dropped was WinFS, and even that is working it's way back in but with a different feel to it.

What else did they promise and drop besides that? Powershell is back, you can d/l it and run it in Vista and XP, I don't remember anything else really. They did also go back on the use of the Sidebar which was going to have a bigger role originally, but that's not to say they can't bring that back in the future.

"Shabby, needs more work!"

But that "work" would be something like SP1. I'm not thinking it's bad enough that it can't be redeemed by a service pack or two.

Jugalator said,
"Shabby, needs more work!"

But that "work" would be something like SP1. I'm not thinking it's bad enough that it can't be redeemed by a service pack or two.

Like XP was right? Funny how no one brings that up at all. They like to call Vista MeII, but forget that they're probably the same people who called XP the "FisherPrice OS"

Poor driver support is up to the hardware maker to solve the support than Microsoft itself.


Poor driver support may be up the hardware maker, but MS should've given all those hardware makers a chance to do the drivers BEFORE they released this POS they call VistaMe2!! After all the delays and known f*** ups MS did before relasing it, they should be sued some more for releasing such a crappy POS!!

It's already to late to abandon it, but you already know about them needing to rush SP1 out to try and fix their crap!

cork1958 said,
Poor driver support is up to the hardware maker to solve the support than Microsoft itself.


Poor driver support may be up the hardware maker, but MS should've given all those hardware makers a chance to do the drivers BEFORE they released this POS they call VistaMe2!! After all the delays and known f*** ups MS did before relasing it, they should be sued some more for releasing such a crappy POS!!

It's already to late to abandon it, but you already know about them needing to rush SP1 out to try and fix their crap!

Are you sane? Do you even know what happend before? The Vista driver model was LOCKED and final with the first RC release MONTHS before Vista ever RTM'd. The fact nVidia can't code a driver until half a year later is their own fault. They STILL can't get SLi to work right and it's their own private tech. ATi/AMD doesn't seem to have the same problem with Vista drivers for it's cards, so what gives?

And Vista aside, is your memory out of whack? Really, does anyone remember the driver state Windows 2000 and then Windoes XP was when it came to graphics cards? Both OSs had much of the same problems in the first year of their release, but people seem to block out anything that's happend more than 2-3 years ago when it comes to software.

GP007 said,
And Vista aside, is your memory out of whack? Really, does anyone remember the driver state Windows 2000 and then Windoes XP was when it came to graphics cards? Both OSs had much of the same problems in the first year of their release, but people seem to block out anything that's happend more than 2-3 years ago when it comes to software.

Oh yeah, Win2000 was a nightmare for drivers, and WinXP was terrible before SP1. No, the main problem is that marketing can't find out what to push for Vista adoption. Flip3D is a tech demo, not a key feature.
When 2000 have been RTMed, we had : Win98SE and the coming WinME (yeah, right), and NT4. Win2000 was a revolution in many area.
WinXP was a very nice upgrade of Win2000, and gained in stability over the SPs. When XP was released, the same whinning went over, persons saying that they where never gonna go to XP, and now they are on XP, yelling their love for it, and cursing Vista...

Yeah right...

GP007 & Fabeme hit the nail on the head here. cork1958 obviously forgets how Windows 2000 and XP were when they were released (in much the same position). As for giving the hardware makers a chance cork1958, what do you think the alpha, beta and RC builds that were released over a span of several years were? Clearly there was enough chances for these hardware manufacturers to get it right and they dropped the ball. You can hardly blame Microsoft for other people's problems, especially as the documentation and builds have been out there for years prior to final build.

I use Vista everyday since the 1st week of launch till present day. Only problem i face is drivers issues with nVidia which they have iron it well.

Poor driver support is up to the hardware maker to solve the support than Microsoft itself.

IMO, the author isnt a tech geek who really dig solutions than whining on how bad Vista is. But on the other hand, Microsoft should drop the putting experience into use for the OS and start working on friendly yet easy to use UI.

I nominate this article for the worst piece of journalism of the year award...oh wait it's not journalism, it's a freakin' blog post.

Edit: How about Don Reisinger abandon writing a blog. There's having an opinion and then there's telling lies.

kl33per said,
I nominate this article for the worst piece of journalism of the year award...oh wait it's not journalism, it's a freakin' blog post.

Edit: How about Don Reisinger abandon writing a blog. There's having an opinion and then there's telling lies.

Yeah - when did blogs become 'articles'?

I suppose to o stay on topic - Vista sucks donkeys balls, by the way...

Davebo said,

Yeah - when did blogs become 'articles'?

I suppose to o stay on topic - Vista sucks donkeys balls, by the way...


Gotta love these people who just hurl abuse and not bother to back it up with any reasoning.

Vista doesn't "suck donkey's testicles" in any way. Sure it has some niggles here and there that are slowly (perhaps too slowly) being addressed, but on the whole it is a much better os than XP.

How eactly is flip 3D a copy of exposé at all ? it's not even remotely similar


Flip3D is an evoølution of Atl tab. and alt tab has had window previews with power tools since before exposé so no, it's not a copy of Expose. it's just that Mac peopl like yourself likes to pretend that everythign MS does is copy and Apple hasn't copied anything from MS or anyone else..

Neomac v6 said,
The fact that Flip 3D (a less efficient copy of Exposé) was its biggest selling point says it all.

That's funny... since Flip 3D was shown in Longhorn builds before Expose existed.

And seriously... Flip 3D was a little intern project. Who the heck ever thought it was Vista's "biggest selling point." Move along troll.

Brandon Live said,

That's funny... since Flip 3D was shown in Longhorn builds before Expose existed.

And seriously... Flip 3D was a little intern project. Who the heck ever thought it was Vista's "biggest selling point." Move along troll.

Seriously have you not seen any of the ads or promotional pictures, I swear Flip 3D was Vista's ONLY selling point!

warwagon said,
Looks more like Apple Stole Flip3d from vista to use in "Time Machine"

Oh you mean Time Machine.. the thing they copied from System Restore in Windows and gave it a whizzy front end?

no time machine is like windows home server, im sorry but if you dont know anything about it then dont talk crap.... Yes they took the kinda look from flip3D but flip3D is pretty damn bad anyways, in all honesty using the mac ( or even Linux though it doesnt have the programs to back it up) is way more efficent than windows if i could i would move away from windows all together i would, the only thing holding me back is gaming and some windows programs I use.... And ive used windows all my life and I now feel they havent stepped it up enough compared to other OS's.

TCLN Ryster said,

Oh you mean Time Machine.. the thing they copied from System Restore in Windows and gave it a whizzy front end?

Not at all, Time Machine is a backup system for everything, System Restore is a backup system for programs (not documents).

offroadaaron said,
no time machine is like windows home server, im sorry but if you dont know anything about it then dont talk crap.... Yes they took the kinda look from flip3D but flip3D is pretty damn bad anyways, in all honesty using the mac ( or even Linux though it doesnt have the programs to back it up) is way more efficent than windows if i could i would move away from windows all together i would, the only thing holding me back is gaming and some windows programs I use.... And ive used windows all my life and I now feel they havent stepped it up enough compared to other OS's.

Just get a Mac and run Boot Camp/Parallels or VMware Fusion!

simon360 said,

Not at all, Time Machine is a backup system for everything, System Restore is a backup system for programs (not documents).

I think he meant Windows Shadow Copy Service that is running under Windows Server 2003 and now Windows Vista and the upcoming Windows Server 2008.

franzon said,
Don Reisinger is an IDIOT

seconded.

"As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work."

So there we go, a Mac user who hates Vista. What a rare breed. Why would Microsoft ditch an Operating System that is technically superior to XP in so many different ways.

sloppycode said,

seconded.

"As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work."

So there we go, a Mac user who hates Vista. What a rare breed. Why would Microsoft ditch an Operating System that is technically superior to XP in so many different ways.

hehe,microsoft should do what mac does:
(prices are guessed)

MacOSX 10.0 - 200$
MacOSX 10.1 - 200$
MacOSX 10.2 - 200$
MacOSX 10.3 - 200$
MacOSX 10.4 - 200$
MacOSX 10.5 - 200$

And there is no big difference between the versions?

So with windows, you would end up with 6 versions of windows with slight updates to the kernel,"better hardware support", and with 10.0 there was no extra software, 10.1 they added wordpad, 10.2 they added mspaint, 10.3 they added media player (and called it MULTIMEDIA EDITION), 10.4 they had to remove Meida player, because of that REAL Media sued them for beeing jealus, and now ... version 10.5, they may add and internet browser.

:p

personal meanings, i personally like macos, and i like windows... i hate linux, but thats just because i can't get the hang of it hehe

franzon said,
Don Reisinger is an IDIOT

It would appear so... How about "Microsoft must order hits on bad journos to save itself from slander"

Agreed, Don Reisinger is a MORON. Windows Vista is one of the best operating systems Microsoft have ever released!

Gigachicken said,
Windows Vista is one of the best operating systems Microsoft have ever released!

Yeah ok, but is it any good?

sloppycode said,

seconded.

"As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I'm keenly aware of what works and what doesn't. Mac and Linux work."

So there we go, a Mac user who hates Vista. What a rare breed. Why would Microsoft ditch an Operating System that is technically superior to XP in so many different ways.

agreed

morphen said,

hehe,microsoft should do what mac does:
(prices are guessed)

MacOSX 10.0 - 200$
MacOSX 10.1 - 200$
MacOSX 10.2 - 200$
MacOSX 10.3 - 200$
MacOSX 10.4 - 200$
MacOSX 10.5 - 200$

And there is no big difference between the versions?

So with windows, you would end up with 6 versions of windows with slight updates to the kernel,"better hardware support", and with 10.0 there was no extra software, 10.1 they added wordpad, 10.2 they added mspaint, 10.3 they added media player (and called it MULTIMEDIA EDITION), 10.4 they had to remove Meida player, because of that REAL Media sued them for beeing jealus, and now ... version 10.5, they may add and internet browser.

:p

personal meanings, i personally like macos, and i like windows... i hate linux, but thats just because i can't get the hang of it hehe


Microsoft would love if they could get a new version out every 2 years like Apple. In a way these point upgrades are quite good because Mac OS X is always on par with Windows and never really out of date, case in point everyone saying Vista was a copy of Mac OS 10.4

That's a result for Apple.

morphen said,
MacOSX 10.0 - 200$
MacOSX 10.1 - 200$
MacOSX 10.2 - 200$
MacOSX 10.3 - 200$
MacOSX 10.4 - 200$
MacOSX 10.5 - 200$

IIRC, it was more like:

Mac OS X 10.1 - $0
Mac OS X 10.2 - $129
Mac OS X 10.3 - $129
Mac OS X 10.4 - $129
Mac OS X 10.5 - $129

In total, about $516. I'd like to note, as well, that once 10.3 came around, I'd say Mac OS X was better than or equal to Windows XP stability and usability wise. So, it's really more like high $300 dollar range from an XP-ish system to Leopard (which is at least as good as Vista).

No, I won't upgrade to Vista but not strictly for the reasons cited in this article. Microsoft failed, throughout the entire marketing period, to convince me of the simplest thing: why would I need to ditch Windows XP? XP doesn't crash on me, it supports all of my hardware, and all of my software, doesn't require that I upgrade a single piece of hardware, and I can pretty much visually customise it to my exact requirements. Why would I change? They never once answered this question.

Instead, they gave me images of a transparent borders and other such trivial rubbish. The years where I purchased software just on its looks are long gone I'm afraid. And as for the cost -- they have to be kidding me. Their comes a time when people have to say enough is enough, and for me, this jump was enough.

They never once answered this question.

I thought they did? Further improved security, Windows shell enhancements, mobile and wireless networking improvements, ...

Jugalator said,

I thought they did? Further improved security, Windows shell enhancements, mobile and wireless networking improvements, ...
Not for me they didn't. I've never needed to question XP's security. I don't use mobile networking, am perfectly happy with my current wireless network set-up, and the promise of somewhat nebulous "shell enhancements" doesn't leave me reeling with excitement. So again, why would I change from XP? Remember the question includes "I", not "You". This will stun you, but not everyone has the same requirements as you have.

I have to agree with SniperX. I've spent a great deal of time customizing XP (and Server 2003) and seeing to its security. I don't need anything that Vista has to offer.

As well, it seems that Microsoft has no idea how massively it inconveniences some people ( me, at least ) to have features like Active Desktop disabled.

No, Vista may be fine for the unwashed masses, but it's not for me. There are still a few of us out there that don't need Microsoft doing all our thinking for us ( though there are still plenty that do! )

Some of the stuff on that article is pure FUD...
For instance why the author said that he couldn't back up and play movies on Vista - because I have no problem in doing so. I thought the integrated DRM stuff was to allow playback of HD DVD and Blu-ray movies because they require encryption at the hardware level or something.

Mind you I have to agree with

Not only does it cost too much, it requires more to run than XP, there is still poor driver support, and that draconian licensing scheme is a by-product of Microsoft picking on the wrong people.

Yes, Vista supports DRM standards. It does not enforce DRM. There's a huge difference. Vista won't stop you from, taking an evil (from MPAA perspective) example, downloading even a HD quality movie from a BitTorrent site and burning it to a Blu-ray disk. Not even that! Because the DRM was ripped by the warez group. This is among the worst FUD that's being spread about Vista. Oh, and the DRM tech won't "slow down" Windows either from "protecting" the video/audio path, because that only kicks in if playing back DRM'ed content.

So if you don't even care for DRM in Vista (as any sane user should), you won't even notice, and your "media experience" could just as well have been from XP.

See also: http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/200.../25/519180.aspx

Not only does it cost too much, it requires more to run than XP,

erm yeah its called progression, why on earth would he list that as a bad point. Newer improved software will always usually require better hardware than the previous generation, especially software that is released 6 years after the previous one.

DrCheese said,

erm yeah its called progression, why on earth would he list that as a bad point. Newer improved software will always usually require better hardware than the previous generation, especially software that is released 6 years after the previous one.

That's not _always_ true.

Word processing hasn't advanced that much. Certainly not to the point to require a core duo, when you're doing pretty much the same you did with a pentium III.

There's a huge difference between taking advantage of better hardware and requiring it.

ichi said,
That's not _always_ true.

Word processing hasn't advanced that much. Certainly not to the point to require a core duo, when you're doing pretty much the same you did with a pentium III.

There's a huge difference between taking advantage of better hardware and requiring it.

Yeah but we're not talking about a word processor are we? An operating system is infinitely more complex than a word processor, and Vista is much much bigger in scope than Windows XP.