Windows 7 reaches Build 7070

Two days back, we had a Microsoft Employee leak screenshots of build 7068. Today, we have screenshots of build 7070 leak!

The leak is yet again from someone working at Microsoft and the story goes like this:

"I just came back from Microsoft, since my Dad works there. He works for in the SQL server division and here are some screenshots I took about the new build 7070.I don't know if there is anything new to this build, but they installed it yesterday, so it probably will be leaked soon. They said it was a major update; maybe not to the user interface but more to the Kernel. Just letting you guys know :P"

Sources say that the most recently compiled build is 6.1.7072.0.winmain.090327-1845

*Images Courtesy: Facepunch

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Is it just me but build 7068 sais "Evaluation copy" and these say like build 7000 "For testing purposes only". Might be the ultimate fake.

Disengage said,
Is it just me but build 7068 sais "Evaluation copy" and these say like build 7000 "For testing purposes only". Might be the ultimate fake.

You are right.

micro said,
Wow anyone who believes that story is an idiot. Said guy is fine.

awww ... thieving stories like this are sooooo touching. my waste disposing organs are getting leaky ...

micro said,
Wow anyone who believes that story is an idiot. Said guy is fine.

Yeah I really doubt it's a real leak, MS is probably leaking it, it's not like the leak hurts them at all.

Just noticed the following post on a W7 forum, lol.

"Was just having a little chat on IRC with someone at Microsoft's SQL Server division, apparently he got fired and is banned from the premises. They removed him this morning from the building and served him with a restraining order. That's what you get for letting your kid in to take screenshots of in development software.

Oh, and the current in house build is 7074"

Now you can see why we literally knew almost nothing about Windows 7 before PDC 2008, because of harsh punishment like this.

It sucks that this father's son was too much of a careless idiot to not blank out personally identifiable information. I cannot understand why, out of all the screenshots he chose to post, was one of the listing of networked computers and the workstation name. Plus the internal IP address of the machine. And he made absolutely no effort to blank these data out.

presumable when he started working at Microsoft, he signed a non-disclosure agreement, he unintentionally and indirectly broke it when he left his computer unsecured

you don't get a slap on the risk after breaking an agreement like that

I don't know if I believe such an indirect ("heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody who was chatting with somebody...") account, but maybe this makes some sense.

I'm not sure MS would have been upset at a simple leak; there's little that's revealed here that would qualify as a critical trade secret. The trouble here is that the leaker is easily identified.

Sad to say, if I leave inside information in a place where my kid can distribute it to the world, I might deserve to be canned.

possible but I would need a more reliable source than "saw this on a W7 Forum"

but yes, entirely possible.

I doubt they mess about.

Wow, imagine how that kid feels about screwing his dad out of a job at Microsoft. Harrshhh.

Software development have pretty strict rules, I could see this happening.

I really don't get all this worry over the build number of Windows 7. MS aren't going to be listening to ANY bug reports for any leaked versions anyway, so all you're really doing is hurting development by installing these leaks.

The RC build number will be... whatever the hell MS decides it will be when they're happy enough to release it. Why get so excited about a number?

FloatingFatMan said,
I really don't get all this worry over the build number of Windows 7. MS aren't going to be listening to ANY bug reports for any leaked versions anyway, so all you're really doing is hurting development by installing these leaks.

The RC build number will be... whatever the hell MS decides it will be when they're happy enough to release it. Why get so excited about a number?


Some of us may download the leaked builds to see how the development is going. I honestly do not think people who download leaked builds are hurting the development of Windows 7.

Most people like to be able to see what has changed so the newer the build number the better.

Believe it or not but the public RC build would be 7100 most probably. At present I have no proof but strong believe.

Installing my network cards Vista driver manually solved my internet issues. Went from an unstable wireless 54mbit to the expected stable 108.

Grandaevus said,
Installing my network cards Vista driver manually solved my internet issues. Went from an unstable wireless 54mbit to the expected stable 108.

Already tried that and not work
=(((

7070 wont be RC1, this is the latest version ms compiled:

6.1.7072.0.winmain.090327-1845 - potentially RC Escrow build

RC1 will be 7072 or later, they arent gunna have a 7071 and 7072 build and use an older 7070 build for the RC1.

this build string is from a reputable russian appz site btw (www.w**r.net).

You never know. Just look at build 7000 that was released about a month after it was compiled. MS created updated builds between the date that was compiled and the release to the public.

Granted, I do hope we get a newer build when the public RC is released then the 7070 build, but you never know.

This is why I'm waiting for RC1 :P with the speed these leaks are coming out, you'll be constantly reinstalling to keep up with the latest build :P (I'm not "hardcore" enough to reinstall that often )

When I say dead link, I mean, the kid's gone and removed any trace of his post from the site. I smell trouble....perhaps his dad's in deep crap?

Owenw said,
When I say dead link, I mean, the kid's gone and removed any trace of his post from the site. I smell trouble....perhaps his dad's in deep crap?

Gee, you think??

all i can imagine is bill gates going all jack bauer on this kid's dad, like he did to his brother graham in season...6...? with the plastic bag... ha

Antiprophet said,
all i can imagine is bill gates going all jack bauer on this kid's dad, like he did to his brother graham in season...6...? with the plastic bag... ha

hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Mental images.

ibetheone said,
You know I never even heard of the website facepunch until today. Kind of like a cheap publicity stunt.

Sure you did!

(snipped - GWSC)

If Microsoft didn't authorize this leak, on the quiet, like many others. I'll eat your hat, not just mine. Work it out peeps. I don't think I'm paranoid btw.

NinjaGinger said,
If Microsoft didn't authorize this leak, on the quiet, like many others. I'll eat your hat, not just mine. Work it out peeps. I don't think I'm paranoid btw.

I wouldn't say you're paranoid. It wouldn't surprise me given it is the cheapest form of marketing money can buy. Leak a few builds, get the hype going, geeks spread good reviews about Windows 7 - its all free marketing and every bit helps.

Macalicious said,
I wouldn't say you're paranoid. It wouldn't surprise me given it is the cheapest form of marketing money can buy. Leak a few builds, get the hype going, geeks spread good reviews about Windows 7 - its all free marketing and every bit helps.

I totally agree. That's what happened with build 7000.

At least for 7068, MS being behind the leak doesn't seem unlikely. How else could the x64 torrent have been going at a pretty much constant 500 kB/s a mere hour after being leaked? There must've been a pretty strong server behind it.

Man you definatly need to start leeching from good torrents more often. (Most of them are private I agree but when you leak something good you usually assure yourself it will be seeded properly in the beginning even on public sites) Have you ever heard of a seedbox or of countries with more than 1mbps upload rate ? (Or you can even do that @ the university with their 80mbps upload speed ^^ !)

No one has said the employee or his son leaked the actual build. 7070 has not been leaked yet. He got the screenshots doing a remote desktop session or something similar. His father most likely will not be disciplined but I bet his son will be!!!!

If your downloading 7068, continue to do so. It is well worth the upgrade IMHO.

wguimb said,
No one has said the employee or his son leaked the actual build. 7070 has not been leaked yet. He got the screenshots doing a remote desktop session or something similar. His father most likely will not be disciplined but I bet his son will be!!!!

If your downloading 7068, continue to do so. It is well worth the upgrade IMHO. :)


I disagree. MS can see the exact computer ID's, builds and time on those screenshots, and as far as I remember someone from MS stating earlier, 'leaks are not taken lightly'

Mr. Andrews said,
You have to work for Microsoft to get them legitimately, or be very close to Microsoft.

How are the leaked builds not legit builds...

xendrome said,
How are the leaked builds not legit builds...

They're not available to technical beta members or to the public as part of the CPP program, so if you have it it's not legit.

GreyWolf, dont be making sweeping statements like that It's entire possible that there are TAP program members with later builds out there. TechBeta and CPP are not the only two avenues for obtaining builds.

And indeed some people have been "Friends of Bill" since NT was first in beta, so there are plenty of people outside of MS HQ who legally (if confidentially) have access to the latest and greatest builds.

For the love of god. I just installed 7068 today, and It works beautiful. I'm not installing another update until the RC.

Woot! This is starting to get like sitting at the Microsoft Build Labs. :D

And is he implying his dad is leaking builds? Leaking screenshots seems bad enough :S but builds.. Why is that son so sure of the actual ISO going to leak? Because they leak stuff at the SQL Server Division?... Ermm... I think Microsoft will have a talk with this guy and/or his dad in the near future.

Jugalator said,
Woot! This is starting to get like sitting at the Microsoft Build Labs. :D

And is he implying his dad is leaking builds? Leaking screenshots seems bad enough :S but builds.. Why is that son so sure of the actual ISO going to leak? Because they leak stuff at the SQL Server Division?... Ermm... I think Microsoft will have a talk with this guy and/or his dad in the near future. :D

"here are some screenshots I took"

I don't think he's implying anything. He probably snapped a few shots and posted them without his dad knowing.

Litespeed said,
"here are some screenshots I took"

I don't think he's implying anything. He probably snapped a few shots and posted them without his dad knowing.

I think his dad knows by now

They will find out, if they have someone browsing the internet for leaked pictures... I doubt anyone in MS is looking for leaked pictures of Windows 7...

WAR-DOG said,
They will find out, if they have someone browsing the internet for leaked pictures... I doubt anyone in MS is looking for leaked pictures of Windows 7...

Don't be so sure. Besides, these are not exactly hard to find. They're posted on on the net's most popular IT news sites. Also companies have entire departments whos job it is to manage the press and PR.

If their Press and PR department is anything like ours, they subscribe to a service that provides them daily reports on all press activity relating to their company.

you know someones daddy gonna get disciplined

and when taking screenshots from a Microsoft box, it's bad form to leave personal info visible such as computer and network domain name, internal IP as well as names of other computers on that domain

buh, i just started to download 7068 @ 15%

guess i should wait for a little while

128kb line cant help it

10010 said,
i just reformat to install 7068! and now this gets leaked.... i cant keep up. well, so we know of anything new?

Why format? Just upgrade, smooth, fast, and headache free.

And you surely can keep up with it!

nonick said,
Why format? Just upgrade, smooth, fast, and headache free.

And you surely can keep up with it!

What? You actually mean upgrade from an previous build.......??

iwod said,

What? You actually mean upgrade from an previous build.......??


Yeah dude I've been doing it since 7000 and it works flawlessly and I'm the kinda guy to just format so I don't run into problems. None yet so there is no reason to do it any other way. Extract the iso contents to a folder and run the setup.exe the rest is simple.

daftperception said,

Yeah dude I've been doing it since 7000 and it works flawlessly and I'm the kinda guy to just format so I don't run into problems. None yet so there is no reason to do it any other way. Extract the iso contents to a folder and run the setup.exe the rest is simple.

Maybe you haven't any trouble "yet", but it's been proven time and time again that upgrading rather then running a clean install causes issues eventually. You can do whatever you want, but upgrading from build to build is just silly. It's just asking for trouble. It barely works properly with RTM's let alone beta builds.

I just updated from 7000 and everything is just peachy. Yeah you can do a fresh install and waste hours, but who the hell cares since this is just another test build. I see no point in breaking your balls to back everything up and start from scratch every 2 days the leaks have been coming out.

But as you said, you do what you want.

nekkidtruth said,

Maybe you haven't any trouble "yet", but it's been proven time and time again that upgrading rather then running a clean install causes issues eventually. You can do whatever you want, but upgrading from build to build is just silly. It's just asking for trouble. It barely works properly with RTM's let alone beta builds.

You all remember that you are installing an unauthorized release of an update to a beta product? In my world this adds up to that it even should break. If not, just smile and be happy!

nekkidtruth said,
Maybe you haven't any trouble "yet", but it's been proven time and time again that upgrading rather then running a clean install causes issues eventually. You can do whatever you want, but upgrading from build to build is just silly. It's just asking for trouble. It barely works properly with RTM's let alone beta builds.

I agree with you but if you think about it what is the worst that can happen. I might need to install a fresh copy but it's worth it since I have saved so much time updating to each leaked build. In this case the upgrade from 7057 to 7068 got rid of a bug that put a black bar under each of my widgets and I would never go through a fresh install for such little improvement.I think windows 7 is going to redefine some preconceptions with its upgrade feature its so clean and painless I can't believe its even made by the same people.

nekkidtruth said,
Maybe you haven't any trouble "yet", but it's been proven time and time again that upgrading rather then running a clean install causes issues eventually. You can do whatever you want, but upgrading from build to build is just silly. It's just asking for trouble. It barely works properly with RTM's let alone beta builds.

Spend a day re-installing your work environment "every other week"? Upgrading so far (since Build 7000) works pretty well and I recommend it for those who actually work with Windows 7. Although it's something best done over night or something like that, because it may take several hours on older machines.

nekkidtruth said,
Maybe you haven't any trouble "yet", but it's been proven time and time again that upgrading rather then running a clean install causes issues eventually.

Actually, this ONLY applied in the days of XP and earlier. Vista and W7 use an entirely different approach to an OS install/upgrade that eliminates those issues - by design. This was WELL documented in the Vista release and if you are curious, just read up on the way Vista installs differently than XP did. It's the same reason it is faster, etc.

So please stop spreading old, outdated advice. Thanks.

excalpius said,
Actually, this ONLY applied in the days of XP and earlier. Vista and W7 use an entirely different approach to an OS install/upgrade that eliminates those issues - by design. This was WELL documented in the Vista release and if you are curious, just read up on the way Vista installs differently than XP did. It's the same reason it is faster, etc.

So please stop spreading old, outdated advice. Thanks. :)

Link? It's possible, seeing as the last update most of us tried would have been from XP to Vista... but I won't take your word for this. Though it seems like you're saying that would be true of XP->Vista upgrades as well.

From this article http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2089952,00.asp

"Windows Vista's Setup program—the multitude of code that installs the operating system—doesn't copy files and wriggle the new operating system atop the old one, resulting in a mishmash of both, as was more or less the case with prior Microsoft OSes. Vista's compartmentalized installation routine actually copies an image of Vista onto the hard drive and then plows through things like hardware detection and configuration."

The rest of the article focuses on performance between a clean install and an upgrade (re: there is NO difference) and some people would have naturally confused some of Vista RTM's initial bugs with possible upgrade issues, but they'd be wrong about that.

In short, starting with Vista and now continuing with Windows 7, Microsoft fixed the mishmash of code issue seen on 98->XP upgrades and before. This is also why Vista and W7 can do those complete rollbacks if the OS upgrade/install fails. The mechanism is robust on many levels.

You can Google this yourself and find many more examples. I hope this helps clear things up.

excalpius said,
From this article http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2089952,00.asp

"Windows Vista's Setup program—the multitude of code that installs the operating system—doesn't copy files and wriggle the new operating system atop the old one, resulting in a mishmash of both, as was more or less the case with prior Microsoft OSes. Vista's compartmentalized installation routine actually copies an image of Vista onto the hard drive and then plows through things like hardware detection and configuration."

The rest of the article focuses on performance between a clean install and an upgrade (re: there is NO difference) and some people would have naturally confused some of Vista RTM's initial bugs with possible upgrade issues, but they'd be wrong about that.

In short, starting with Vista and now continuing with Windows 7, Microsoft fixed the mishmash of code issue seen on 98->XP upgrades and before. This is also why Vista and W7 can do those complete rollbacks if the OS upgrade/install fails. The mechanism is robust on many levels.

You can Google this yourself and find many more examples. I hope this helps clear things up. :)


Yes to verify some things he said I just tried to upgrade a friend from 7057 to 7068. It installed all the way but when it booted up for the first time it said it failed to complete so it rolled back to 7057 which should calm any fears or drawbacks to upgrading.

Caleo said,
Crap. I just got done installing 7068. -.-

Dangit! Me too. I've never installed so many iterations of the same OS in my life!