Windows 7 (Seven) M1 post-install details leaked?

I noticed over at Long Zhengs website that he has decided to post about the supposedly leaked post install details and analysis of Windows Seven M1 (Mile Stone 1).

"Kenipnet", a Neowin member reported that he had been given the Alpha, otherwise known as a developer build for testing and then made a detailed post about it which he later deleted. Luckily I was all over that forum thread and managed to salvage his deleted claims from my Firefox browser cache and repost as my own (thus preserving the post for prosperity).

I sent a private message to "kenipnet" asking if he could backup his claims with a screenshot or other means, his response indicated that he was unsure how he could make any evidence available to me online, so I decided to keep it with the forum thread instead of main page news.

I suppose the laughable thing about all this is that the build is described as "Windows 7 Milestone 1 Build 6.1.6519.1" umm, excuse me? Build 6.1.6519.1?
OK, Windows Seven is supposed to have this brand new MinWin kernel which is version 7.0, not 6.0 (Windows Vista) or 6.1 (Windows Server 2008) as this member UAC points out in his forum posting on that thread it is most likely fake as are the screenshots which you can find in that thread (there are several).

Anyway our friend kenipnet appears to be credible about all of his other posts on Neowin regarding past betas, so maybe we shouldn't be too quick to denounce his findings even if he failed to offer any proof in the form of a desktop screenshot. Below are his findings, take it with a pinch of salt mind!

    Over the weekend I finally managed to play with the build.... but disappointed.

    One my primary machine, it asked for my SATA driver (never happened when installing Vista, as my drives were set as IDE in BIOS). After adding the driver from my USB thumb drive it would finally install. It didn't boot after first restart, however.

    On my laptop it installed perfectly, but with no driver support for the video card. After numerous tries I gave up in the end, so Aero is now left in the dark.

    Oh well, so there's nothing to show.

    The build is 6.1.6519.

    The GUI, as much of you have guessed, is very much like Vista. I don't know if once the right video card driver is in place whether there will be flashy stuffs to surprise me. The system is very responsive, using barely 480MB of memory after boot.

    Gadgets are now integrated into explorer. You can right click on desktop and select "Add Gadget" or "Hide Gadget". There is a new gadget called "Windows Media Center" that displays now playing information from the WMC. On the same menu, "Display" is added above "Personalization" which gives you direct access to display DPI settings. The page is much more polished than the one in Vista.

    The start menu features a pin besides each item. Clicking on it toggles pinning/unpinning the item. Search in explorer is now states where you search within (usually being within the folder, as in Vista). You can now, however, adjust the size of the search box.

    XAML fonts, called the "Composite Fonts" are now added to the font folder. Perhaps WPF will be much more prominent in this release. It's disappointing that I don't have Aero running, or otherwise there might be some interesting stuffs to see.

    A new application is added, dubbed the "XPS Viewer", no surprises, either.

    Then finally, something interesting came up: the feedback tool. The feedback tool lists the "pillars" of Win 7. You can see that Microsoft is aiming to fine tune this release as the case in XP rather than technological advancement as in 2K. highlights include"network aware", with improved connection tools and detections. It will have the ability to detect which network you're in and switch your settings and devices accordingly; With Live account, you can carry your IE settings and favorites with you; Gadget data caching; New Calculator, Paint, and Wordpad using WPF; install to desktop in 10 mins with only 1 reboot; instant streaming; better battery mileage, etc. All descriptions are scenario-based, so what will actually turn up is still yet to know.

    Oh.. how could I miss this. A new boot screen does show up, finally. A full screen Vista-logon screen like boot screen with a beam scrolling across the whole screen near the bottom. Looks nice but reminds me of Win9x (well since XP we've been in the "dark", so surprised to see such a bright boot screen)!


Link: Windows 7 M1 is here! (Neowin Forum Thread)

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The only thing I hate is most of that could have been done in vista. Like the media center gadget. I am hoping that their is something that makes windows 7 good to switch over for.

And most of windows 98 coul dhave ben done in 95, most ofXP could have been done in win2000, and most of the OSX updates could have been done in the first version.


Vista was a huge step to a new platform, the next releases won't have that many revolutionary features ut smaller baby steps and fine tunings and such.

IT's really about how much "small" work you can do for free before it gets so much that it qualifies for a new windows version and you have to charge for it to not lose money.

(TRC said @ #5.2)
Have to disagree, I really don't see Vista as a huge step at all.

I suppose, in a sad kinda way, vista is a backwards step from xp...sure there are eyecandy improvements and *some* functionality improvements (e.g. bitlocker)...but mostly I don't see whats wrong with XP atm...its faster, cleaner and easier to use...

Seems to be confusion over the previous very fake images posted days ago, and the comment by above regarding his alleged leaked copy and experiences.

I really hope they keep Windows 7 quiet until release. I dont want a repeat of "Longhorn" where an Alpha preview was shown, and then Apple took all those features and put it into 10.4 and 10.5 and when Vista go released.. all the mac fans started screaming "steal/copy/etc.". Also, keeping Win 7 quiet will remove all the high expectations that people got with the Vista alpha/betas and were then dissapointed with the cuts in the final release.

I really hope they keep Windows 7 quiet until release.

I don't see how they can. Once the new OS reaches a certain state of development, they'll need to start building people's expectations so they'll be itching to buy the new system once it's released.

What Microsoft will have to avoid this go-round is – as happened with Vista – the touting of new features that can't be implemented in any reasonable time frame, and which will thus have to be cancelled.

You can't keep taking away from a product over time and hope to impress your customers, eh?

(Octol said @ #8.1)

I don't see how they can. Once the new OS reaches a certain state of development, they'll need to start building people's expectations so they'll be itching to buy the new system once it's released.

What Microsoft will have to avoid this go-round is – as happened with Vista – the touting of new features that can't be implemented in any reasonable time frame, and which will thus have to be cancelled.

You can't keep taking away from a product over time and hope to impress your customers, eh?

Hmm... I get what you are saying but then again, how does Apple keep quiet on its releases and create a hype? If Apple can do it, so can Microsoft.

A lot of early alpha builds had weird build numbers that reflected on past builds except minor variations.. The major build for the first, sometime more, builds are the same as the past product line.. They usually just build on top of it. Even Vista's 1st build was a 5.2.xxxx.xx.

Where are the old school Bunno's and Ardundants or longhorn. Personally I dont think this guy has any claim. I could easily claim to have seen M1 if i wanted to. Truthfully it is very unlikely your going to see any screenshots before this upcoming summer.

The haystacks sure are hell are not stumbling this time around ;-)

Why would they already be working on a SP2 for Vista when SP1 hasn't even been released? :rolleyes:

[EDIT] On top of that, the article she is referring to was back in November and while plans might not have changed since then, they might have. Don't take anything you hear about Windows 7 at face value until we actually get to see it. We should have all learned that from the Vista fiasco. And with Microsoft being so closed mouthed concerning Windows 7, I don't think we can trust anything anyone says about Windows 7 until we get to see it for ourselves.

(Hurmoth said @ #12.1)
Why would they already be working on a SP2 for Vista when SP1 hasn't even been released? :rolleyes:

Because they pick a cutoff date for SP1 and branch another team to start investigating the defect reports after that date for SP2. If they kept adding defects to the SP1 queue it would never be released. The SP1 team resolves all of the reports they are assigned, then it is released.

(GreyWolfSC said @ #12.2)
Because they pick a cutoff date for SP1 and branch another team to start investigating the defect reports after that date for SP2. If they kept adding defects to the SP1 queue it would never be released. The SP1 team resolves all of the reports they are assigned, then it is released.
I realize that "can" happen, but there's no evidence that this is the case.

This story may or may not be true, but to say that it's just Vista SP2 is just absurd. You have absolutely nothing to back that up and to think that they are already working on SP2 is foolish.

Why would you want to make these claims without screenshots? Why would you be willing to detail to everyone what's new, but not provide screenshots? I'd love to be proven wrong but this fake shouldn't have been given the light of day it's recieved.

Personally, I can't wait for Windows 7 to be released. I don't care if it remains top-secret as long as there is news of its development staying on-schedule and the occasional "Hey! Look at what we just finished!" sort of advertisement.

After all, there is nothing wrong with a bit of feature-touting about a product if that product is complete. Milestones are basically what I'm thinking work best.

Anyway, I hope the Windows 7 team makes Windows 7 better than Vista. I'm skipping Vista because it would be senseless of me to upgrade to Vista when XP SP2 is much more stable for me and still supported by Microsoft.

On a side note, I can't wait for IE8. If they've passed the Acid2 "test", I hope they can finally implement XHTML 1.0 Strict at least. Yay for "This site uses features which your browser does not currently handle. Please upgrade to a newer browser like IE8, Firefox or Opera."

Steven, the information is legit, and as of now Windows 7 is 6.1 internally. The 7 is just a codename, the seventh iteration of the NT codebase. Anyway, Server 2008 is NOT 6.1, server 08 and Vista SP1 are both 6.0.6001.xxxxx, and will carry the same build numbers at their respective RTM's.

So it's still called 6.1 internally, why is that a big deal for anyone?
I thought as software was developed, it started at 0.1 and gradually increased until it reached the final, complete version of 1.0. So this started at 6.1, so it makes sense that since it's still VERY early in development that it'd only be version 7.0 when it's done...

Why can't he just take a camera pic of the "new boot screen" and post it... That would atleast give us some evidence one way or the other (though not enough)

March 2010 for Wave 4? Apparently MS does not want to actually be competitive with anything. The web interface of MS calendar and hotmail have been a lot more powerful for at least a year. <a href="http://www.playedonline.com/category/Puzzle/1.htm">puzzle games</a>

March 2010 for Wave 4? Apparently MS does not want to actually be competitive with anything. The web interface of MS calendar and hotmail have been a lot more powerful for at least a year. puzzle games

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