Windows Live Wave 4: Photo Gallery, Writer and Mail revealed

Earlier this month Neowin revealed Microsoft's upcoming release of Windows Live Messenger 2010 (Part of Wave 4). This week the guys over at Geeksmack have received a few screenshots of Windows Live Mail and Windows Live Photo Gallery. The screenshots are of build 15.0.2403.826, which should be noted is a very early version of Wave 4 and it is expected that features will change before the actual beta early next year.

Not much can be said about the screenshots except that both Windows Live Photo Gallery and Windows Live Mail both now feature a Ribbon UI.

In an interesting move, it appears that Windows Live writer will now sport a new menu similar to Microsoft Office. The orange icons are currently a placeholder, and will not be in the final build. Not much is known about the current internal builds shown above, but as far as we can tell it appears that no new features have been added at this point.

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Windows Live Messenger 2010? Great, maybe now I'll be able to use Messenger again instead of 4.7 (because any other one I tried past 4.7 tells me to update to 14. whatever it's at now, and then crashes during log in).

kintamanate said,
Windows Live Messenger 2010? Great, maybe now I'll be able to use Messenger again instead of 4.7 (because any other one I tried past 4.7 tells me to update to 14. whatever it's at now, and then crashes during log in).

Yes, they have blocked all old versions for security reasons. Why don't you just install the latest version from scratch?

I've been pretty unhappy with the interface of Windows Live Mail. Something cleaner like Windows Mail or Outlook Express was more enjoyable.

i hope they make live mail more stable

it is annoying some time when it is syncing it get locked up and the only way is to kill the program

Yes I agree ... live mail can be useless sometimes when it locks up, and same here, have to kill it occasionally.

If they could only get the thing to run as fast & as memory efficient as Outlook Express, and have one process instead of two running, it would probably be a lot better.

What a pity MS didn't release the betas for Christmas .. would have made a nice early present for us all ...

Tai said,
Yes I agree ... live mail can be useless sometimes when it locks up, and same here, have to kill it occasionally.

If they could only get the thing to run as fast & as memory efficient as Outlook Express, and have one process instead of two running, it would probably be a lot better.

What a pity MS didn't release the betas for Christmas .. would have made a nice early present for us all ...

Well Christmas hasn't come yet you know.

Yes true .... three days is a long time on the internet .. anything could happen ... and since there are screenshots with the article I suppose its only a matter of time ...

Tai said,
Yes true .... three days is a long time on the internet .. anything could happen ... and since there are screenshots with the article I suppose its only a matter of time ...
Not to be a Debbie Downer but it's not going to happen... I'm thinking mid to end of Jan public beta release that will end up being delayed for almost half a month, I'm calling it now.

Doubtful as all the other browsers are trying to give users as much screen space to display the webpage as possible. The ribbon would take up way too much room.

gate1975mlm said,
I bet IE9 is also going to have the ribbon UI :)

No matter what they do with the IE9 UI, I hope they don't put the tabs on top. It increases the distance between webpages and tabs.

gate1975mlm said,
I bet IE9 is also going to have the ribbon UI :)

Very much doubt it. They prototyped it for IE8, but it just plain didn't make sense.

I can't see the ribbon being useful in IE. I imagine the majority of people stay out of the menus and only use the Back, Forward, Home, Stop, and Favorites buttons. The ribbon is useful in apps where the menus are used extensively.

Personally, I'd like to see a minimalistic UI in IE9. Google got it right with Chrome... get the UI out of the way and give the webpage almost the entire screen.

[whinge] Well there's that enormous red delete icon, and those rotate icons just don't look like they fit in. And that giant star looks like it should be at home in xp too. I dunno... I like WinLive Mail for its iconless buttons.
And I like photogallery as it is with small buttons.
[/Whinge]

cleverclogs said,
[whinge] Well there's that enormous red delete icon, and those rotate icons just don't look like they fit in. And that giant star looks like it should be at home in xp too. I dunno... I like WinLive Mail for its iconless buttons.
And I like photogallery as it is with small buttons.
[/Whinge]

Fair points, really. I kinda expect some of the icons to be placeholders for now, though (fortunately).

iamwhoiam said,
I love how some users just endlessly bash and criticize those who don't like the Ribbon.

I love how some users just endlessly bash and criticise those who point out that people criticise something without coming up with an explanation.

So how bout that movie maker?

Also they need to update windows mobile device center to interface live wave. Now that the computers dont come with outlook you cant sync ANYTHING with your phone.

I'm sure the rest of the apps like Movie Maker are going to get updates as well, the last one was a pretty big move in the right direction for it. It'd be cool if MS added the support of more codecs and containers to movie maker next time around.

I'm not talking about the ribbon interface. I'm talkingabout how it was a total step backwards in a from a utility stand point. I liked the old movie maker. It assumed that i was stupid but it gives me the option to go to timeline mode, Not the new one. It keeps the training wheels on.

The Ribbon is so much easier to use than the classic menu. It's all menu and submenus, which should have been completed a long time ago.

Nothing can get as minimal as the ribbon when you, at least in Office 2k7, set it to auto-hide until you click on a tab. Makes Word look like Notepad.

Awesome. It's about time the Ribbon UI made it to the Live programs. Functionality and better consistency with Windows 7. I love it!