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[Niekess]

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[musfiqus]

Hurray... Built in flash support in win8 release preview(rc).
Metro ie with flash coming soon.
http://winunleaked.t...full=1#post2636

[jagowar]

Having flash is actually a really big deal.... will go a very long way to ensuring people use the metro ie and if its included in winRT makes that platform MUCH more enticing.

[BajiRav]

musfiqus, on 23 May 2012 - 16:50, said:

Hurray... Built in flash support in win8 release preview(rc).
Metro ie with flash coming soon.
http://winunleaked.t...full=1#post2636

Yuk!

[Boz]

BajiRav, on 24 May 2012 - 03:36, said:

Yuk!

Why yuk? I code in JS/HTML5 as well and it's just awful. if this was supposed to be the future then god help us. Flash does quite a few things far far better than HTML ever will. Just look at the hardware acceleration. Browsers are crashing whole machines while new Flash is lean, super fast and supports real 3D through Stage3D APIs which is fantastic.

For example.. look at this site

http://www.deanwest.com/

You will never get that performance, smoothness and fluidity in UI in HTML5. The only thing you can do to get some performance boosts is to try to draw into canvas but then you get something even worse than Flash. You get zero accessibility and usability as everything basically becomes a huge image and you still won't get results like that site.

Flash moves web forward in terms of creativity and pushing boundaries forward, while HTML5 is catching up to some of the things and really a lot of that stuff is pretty basic. It's simple as that.

I don't hate HTML5 at all btw. I think it's great that elementary web is evolving and it's has tremendous benefits (especially for a bit more complex web apps) but I think that none of that stuff is really revolutionary in any way, especially when we consider that it's really trying to emulate what Flash has been doing for a long time and in many cases doing it poorly.

If you want to move web forward, we have to get rid of or replace Javascript because it's a patched up scripting language over the course of last 2 decades that requires ton of frameworks to compensate for tons of flaws it has.

[amnesia-]

Boz, on 24 May 2012 - 05:22, said:

Why yuk? I code in JS/HTML5 as well and it's just awful. if this was supposed to be the future then god help us. Flash does quite a few things far far better than HTML ever will. Just look at the hardware acceleration. Browsers are crashing whole machines while new Flash is lean, super fast and supports real 3D through Stage3D APIs which is fantastic.

For example.. look at this site

http://www.deanwest.com/

You will never get that performance, smoothness and fluidity in UI in HTML5. The only thing you can do to get some performance boosts is to try to draw into canvas but then you get something even worse than Flash. You get zero accessibility and usability as everything basically becomes a huge image and you still won't get results like that site.

Flash moves web forward in terms of creativity and pushing boundaries forward, while HTML5 is catching up to some of the things and really a lot of that stuff is pretty basic. It's simple as that.

I don't hate HTML5 at all btw. I think it's great that elementary web is evolving and it's has tremendous benefits (especially for a bit more complex web apps) but I think that none of that stuff is really revolutionary in any way, especially when we consider that it's really trying to emulate what Flash has been doing for a long time and in many cases doing it poorly.

If you want to move web forward, we have to get rid of or replace Javascript because it's a patched up scripting language over the course of last 2 decades that requires ton of frameworks to compensate for tons of flaws it has.

Exactly. People think Flash is dead, just because Jobs said so. It's not. HTML5 is great for mobile devices, so we can enjoy nice animations and interactivity, but with all the power we have in our computers, Flash is not a problem. And I agree, integrating Flash into Windows is a fantastic idea. People won't have to think "OMG I need Flash to open this website, this sucks", those websites will just work.

[+Quillz]

If Flash is built-in to Windows, will updates be handled through Windows Update instead of having to use a standalone updater?

[GP007]

Nidoking, on 24 May 2012 - 20:07, said:

If Flash is built-in to Windows, will updates be handled through Windows Update instead of having to use a standalone updater?

It's more built into IE and not the OS itself, but yes, Windows Update should cover it.

[+Brando212]

Nidoking, on 24 May 2012 - 20:07, said:

If Flash is built-in to Windows, will updates be handled through Windows Update instead of having to use a standalone updater?

i hope so, that would be really nice

[BajiRav]

Drossel, on 24 May 2012 - 11:13, said:

Exactly. People think Flash is dead, just because Jobs said so. It's not. HTML5 is great for mobile devices, so we can enjoy nice animations and interactivity, but with all the power we have in our computers, Flash is not a problem. And I agree, integrating Flash into Windows is a fantastic idea. People won't have to think "OMG I need Flash to open this website, this sucks", those websites will just work.

Uh I don't care what Jobs thought about it but my experience with Flash has only marginally improved over past few years and it is still the single most annoying plugin typically on web pages with more than one flash objects on them. I don't want Flash to consume all my CPU cycles just because I have a nicely speced PC.

[+Brando212]

BajiRav, on 25 May 2012 - 02:38, said:

Uh I don't care what Jobs thought about it but my experience with Flash has only marginally improved over past few years and it is still the single most annoying plugin typically on web pages with more than one flash objects on them. I don't want Flash to consume all my CPU cycles just because I have a nicely speced PC.

I'd rather have flash then Java

[Dot Matrix]

PLEASE NO JAVA!

[BajiRav]

Brando212, on 26 May 2012 - 03:17, said:

I'd rather have flash then Java

I would rather have none of those two.

[subcld]

Possession, on 18 May 2012 - 23:56, said:

Image of the updated Music app in 8 from Paul Thurrot's blog, where he seeming has a Pre-RP build.

Looks nice, just hope it works well too. The App in the CP is just awful.

im interested to see the changes they made for the music app
the middle picture looks great

here is another one