412 replies to this topic 23 votes

[satukoro]

firey, on 07 February 2012 - 17:30, said:

I find it funny, how if anyone bashes metro, people jump all over it. Yet if someone praises it, everyone pats them on the back. Metro/Tiles is about as useful as a screen full of rectangles and squares of different colors that really don't help me in any way.

The point behind it is that it's simple, functional, and fast. There's no excessive eye candy to get in the way or bog things down.

smooth3006, on 08 February 2012 - 16:30, said:

i approve this thread and as ive said i may just skip w8 and stick to osx lion and w7 as a backup. im almost certain w7 will get a 2nd service pack. im tired of microsoft pushing metro down our throats, it's a horrid user interface IMO. windows did not need a refresh already, they had it almost perfect with w7.

Let me guess, you also used XP until last year?

[Dot Matrix]

[Xtreme $niper]

Any time someone says "Too little, too late" for anything like this, I want to just stab them in the eye.

It's never too little, too late. Or did you just want to discourage everyone from coming up with new and fresh alternatives to the same old tired products you've been using for years?

For the same reason why I still think RIM's BlackBerry has a chance to come back blazing (and should be encouraged to do so), I fully expect Microsoft to pull off something great with their phones and tablets. We need this kind of diversity in the industry for fear that we all become peons to one monopolistic giant.

So "too little, too late"? You must really hate technological advancements.

[mudslag]

Dot Matrix, on 08 February 2012 - 06:52, said:

That's up for the consumer market to decide, but so far there is a market for desktop touchscreens. Windows 8 might be the fuel it needs to take off.

A very limited niche market. POS terminals are the biggest user of these types of systems. You wont be using Win 8 in them for the most part and if you do its in a very limited manner. They are still limited in terms of over all use. You would be using touch to play pc style games any time soon. General business use will still function better with a keyboard and mouse in many if not most cases. Dont forget that even to take advantage of touch desktop, you need a touch based monitor, which is even less popular.

Windows 8 is being designed with tablets in mind, not touch based desktops. Just thinking in basic terms, a normal desktop pc usually has the monitor between a foot or more away from the user. People wont like reaching across the desk to move a cursor or click on a link when a keyboard and mouse is far more efficient. Touchscreen desktops are not the future for any foreseeable time.

[smoledman]

Ballmer's arse is on the line here. If Windows 8 isn't a massive hit right out the gates, he'll be fired in 2013.

[Melfster]

smoledman, on 09 February 2012 - 05:47, said:

Ballmer's arse is on the line here. If Windows 8 isn't a massive hit right out the gates, he'll be fired in 2013.

LOL I really doubt it.... The only one who can fire Ballmer is Bill Gates.

[BajiRav]

I still can't understand the metro start screen hate. If you don't like it, just pin all shortcuts to taskbar or add the startmenu folder to taskbar and you will (almost) never see the metro screen on your "high resolution bazillion inches big desktop! (FTR, metro adopts to screen resolution by showing more/less tiles).

FFS, this is the worst whining I have seen for a new Windows version yet.

[mudslag]

Melfster, on 09 February 2012 - 05:49, said:

LOL I really doubt it.... The only one who can fire Ballmer is Bill Gates.

The board could ask him to step down.

[techguy77]

https://skydrive.liv...B2443567702!133

If you take a look at this picture can someone tell me since Start Menu is gone from Windows 8 where are all these shortcuts in subfolder from start menu are going to be located?

[smoledman]

techguy77, on 09 February 2012 - 06:11, said:

https://skydrive.liv...B2443567702!133

If you take a look at this picture can someone tell me since Start Menu is gone from Windows 8 where are all these shortcuts in subfolder from start menu are going to be located?

Another example of the Windows 7 superbar where you can pin all your legacy applications. I would figure that for those of us who use lots of existing productivity applications, you would be logged in and in the "Windows" application all the time. You would rarely need to go to the Metro start screen.

[remixedcat]

more screenshots please

[Dot Matrix]

techguy77, on 09 February 2012 - 06:11, said:

https://skydrive.liv...B2443567702!133

If you take a look at this picture can someone tell me since Start Menu is gone from Windows 8 where are all these shortcuts in subfolder from start menu are going to be located?

Techguy, Start menu = Start Screen. All the functionality of the Start Menu has been incorporated into the Start Screen. But instead of "browsing" through the menu looking for XYZ, you're going to search instead much like you do now with Windows 7. There also seems to be a way to display all installed apps, as per this screenshot:

[Jose_49]

smooth3006, on 08 February 2012 - 16:30, said:

. im almost certain w7 will get a 2nd service pack.

Why it wouldn't? I bet it will even get an SP3.

[Jose_49]

mikiem, on 08 February 2012 - 18:29, said:

Then came the abject marketing failure that was Vista... At its core Vista was a great OS -- the hugely popular win7 is more-or-less Vista SE afterall -- but MS failed miserably when it came to marketing, which includes making sure what you're selling & what customers buy are for the most part the same thing.

+/- 1
Yes. We could say 7 was a SE of Vista with much more improved core settings and nice additions. But MS never failed marketing Windows Vista, for the contrary, they injected a vast of money (not the same as 7) in pure marketing, but it didn't work out.
You could do the best marketing in the world, but in terms of users you won't be able to beat them. If someone doesn't like something and promotes it, others will despise it as well.

Furthermore, OEM crap, which is even more bloated than today's, was the main reason for Vista to fail as an OS. Hell, the first thing you saw when you turned on your new OEM PC was "Device X has stopped working". SEEN by my OWN EYES!.

[~Johnny]

Jose_49, on 09 February 2012 - 16:12, said:

+/- 1
Yes. We could say 7 was a SE of Vista with much more improved core settings and nice additions. But MS never failed marketing Windows Vista, for the contrary, they injected a vast of money (not the same as 7) in pure marketing, but it didn't work out.

Their key marketing "failure" was marketing Vista as capable to run on computers that were simply not good enough to run it. A 1.2Ghz Atom notebook with 512MB should never touch Vista... but after being coereced by Intel they decided to drop the minimum requirements, and that in turn hurt Vista a lot. Heck, Windows 8 requires a lot less resources than Vista, and still has higher requirements.