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[simplezz]

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 16:52, said:

android has a lot of benifits (like the post mentioned above i actually do that with my tab), but for a phone i'll always stick with iOS cause they have better music management, app support and OS support then android will ever have.

if you watched the video's you'd see that's actually a misnomer. If you have your music collection across devices (PC, mobile etc) and in a format apple doesn't approve of then you have to jump through hoops to get to the music, namely, waiting for iOS to convert it to its own DRM, or in some cases like OGG it doesn't work at all.

App support again is an inconsistent experience on iOS as illustrated in the video's. From lack of features to poor system integration and cross device support. Then there's the cost factor.

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 16:52, said:

not to mention once you jailbreak an iphone you can do and customize the OS just as much as any android device.

Then wait for it to get bricked by Apple. Or when it stops working your warranty is voided. And no you still can't customise it like Android.

[javagreen]

Melfster, on 23 April 2012 - 16:59, said:

There are still lot features that iOS has that android doesn't. Airprint, Air play, music management is much better, better games, cool apps like flipboard.

"Air"print, "Air"play et al are just functions which print to wireless printers and stream audio/video. The former can be achieved with an App, and the latter can be achieved with most android old gen devices running Gingerbread [DLNA], and has become a standard with all recent and new phones coming out. They all support it.

Flipboard is nice, but gimmicky. I have both, an android phone (2 android phones actually) and an iPhone and I actually use Pulse, Zite and Flud the most for my reading, all of which are available on Android as well.

[still1]

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 16:52, said:

android has a lot of benifits (like the post mentioned above i actually do that with my tab), but for a phone i'll always stick with iOS cause they have better music management, app support and OS support then android will ever have. not to mention once you jailbreak an iphone you can do and customize the OS just as much as any android device.

Iphone has to be jailbroken to do simple tasks which in Android is just a download away like wifi/bluetooth/gps/etc toggle, Themes. Imagine what Android can do when rooted.

[Melfster]

AJerman, on 23 April 2012 - 17:06, said:

Google Cloud print. Android has plenty of apps that support Airplay. Music management I'd strongly disagree considering I can choose a vast number of music apps to find which fits me best. I'll take PowerAMP over iTunes any day. Most games are coming to both now and either way, that's all opinion, but I'll give you apps and games iOS still has a slight edge in. And Google Currents for flipboard.

Cloud print is a Joke compared to Air print. Believe me I have tried both. When I talk about music management I taking about the whole ecosystem. I use foobar to manage my music. Iphone just works better with my car the android does.

[simplezz]

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 17:02, said:

that's not true if you are a samsung device owner...even an owner of a brand new samsung device the galaxy note which ships with 2.3. and it is more complicated, hence the fragemenation issues everyone compains about.

How is 2.3 (gingerbread) more complicated? Samsung uses it's own TouchWiz UI, so it's pretty consistent (UI wise) from one Samsung device to the next. The video's in this thread show a 2.2 (Froyo) device still outdoing iOS in terms of easy of use, consistency, and functionality.

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 17:02, said:

iOS 5 actually runs faster then iOS 4 on a 3GS which is a 3 year old device...

Really? https://discussions....=0&tstart=0

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 17:02, said:

and the roms availble are only an option to geeks like us who are willing to break their warranty and mess around with their devices. and at it's current state things like camera and LTE/3G modems don't work properly or at all if you go the CM9 route

Many Android OEM's still honour warranty after rooting/install a custom rom. And the bootloaders are often unlocked so it doesn't require a hack like on iOS or WP to root. And as Still1 said, iOS has to be jailbroken to just to basic things that Android does out of the box or with third party apps.

It's very easy to backup your system then install a custom rom, and if things don't work out. restore it. The Android rom community is great for that.

rajputwarrior, on 23 April 2012 - 17:02, said:

android is awesome, their software/OS support is just garbage.

You mean in terms of updates? If the Lumia's 900 isn't going to get the WP8 update, then I'd say WP is worse.

[Melfster]

Well you have convinced me android is still a mess and should be avoided until Google gets its act together.

[Boz]

Melfster, on 23 April 2012 - 17:37, said:

Well you have convinced me android is still a mess and should be avoided until Google gets its act together.

LOL.. some people are just unable to admit facts. Amazing.

[Boz]

I'm glad he had the time to point these things. Something I've been arguing with Apple fanboys forever. Android is light years ahead of iOS and there's absolutely no question about it. These videos just cement and show facts as they are.

[Astra.Xtreme]

Boz, on 23 April 2012 - 17:40, said:

I'm glad he had the time to point these things. Something I've been arguing with Apple fanboys forever. Android is light years ahead of iOS and there's absolutely no question about it. These videos just cement and show facts as they are.

Light years? Sure they have a few trivial features that iOS doesn't have, but how much does that really matter? Personally, I think not much. Android still can't figure out how to get rid of the lag and crashing problems, and for that sake, I think it's really sad. If somebody can make their phone faster and more stable by installing a custom ROM, that's a clear sign that the core OS is laughable.

[Mr Spoon]

Spirit Dave, on 23 April 2012 - 15:13, said:

And take a look at most apps on iOS / Android. They're mostly higher grade on iOS. Reason being that most people make iOS apps and then make Android ones later. You can't argue that. It's a fact.

That's due to marketing though.
So many people and companies are all like "ipod this and iphone that", yet they miss out on loads of people who don't own any apple products. The Apple product is good, don't get me wrong. It's very polished and works well together. But I am more than happy with how I live without it.

Companies who don't release apps at the same time (for all platforms) are short sighted and are only alienating their non-Apple customers.

Windows Phone suffers from this which is why I am not looking at their product until they have a wide range of apps available. But then it's the chicken and the egg, developers don't want to spend time creating apps for a platform that isn't that popular, so people don't choose that OS because of the lack of apps.

I've heard Apple music products convert music tracks from the works-everywhere MP3 format to their AAC format?
If so, that is just moronic and causes hassle for everyone.

[simplezz]

Astra.Xtreme, on 23 April 2012 - 17:11, said:

For somebody that has the compulsive urge to "hack" into their phone and wants to be able to play NES on their 4" screen, then Android is perfect for them.

What?? Even out of the box Android does things that you'd have to jailbreak iOS to do. And did you not watch the video? Hook your phone/tablet up to your 50" HDTV and boom you have a console to play your favourite classic games for free. You'd have to pay for that stuff on Xbox, if it even support those same games.

Astra.Xtreme, on 23 April 2012 - 17:11, said:

For somebody that wants a clean interface that never lags and there is no worries about catching a virus, then iOS is the way to go.

lol, you're funny. If you like looking at an expensive paper weight with an Apple logo, sure.

Astra.Xtreme, on 23 April 2012 - 17:11, said:

It's a little too early to judge Windows Phone, but it seems they are making pretty decent strides to provide the quality and stability of iOS. They just need a bigger app and phone selection.

Yeah, not providing updates to WP8 for a phone released 4/5 months earlier is definitely the way to go. WP has the worst of both worlds. It has no apps, customisability, or support, and it's locked down like Apple's iOS. You can't get much worse than that.

[still1]

Astra.Xtreme, on 23 April 2012 - 17:43, said:

Android still can't figure out how to get rid of the lag and crashing problems, and for that sake

Did you watch the video?? It talks about that too.. http://www.forbes.co...id-a-data-dive/

IOS crashes more than Android these are facts with numbers not just a guess like you are doing.

Android has a crash report feature which you might think is annoying but is effective. everytime an app crash you can send it directly to developer(with all crash info) and they can fix it immediately but this is not there in IOS.

Many apps release updates and the change log says "Fixed crash reported by users"

[Boz]

Astra.Xtreme, on 23 April 2012 - 17:43, said:

Light years? Sure they have a few trivial features that iOS doesn't have, but how much does that really matter? Personally, I think not much. Android still can't figure out how to get rid of the lag and crashing problems, and for that sake, I think it's really sad. If somebody can make their phone faster and more stable by installing a custom ROM, that's a clear sign that the core OS is laughable.

Trivial features LOL.

Yeah..that's why facts show that iOS apps crash more. Every single argument Apple fans have is being destroyed left and right. But I guess this denial is natural since iPhone/iPad users live in an Apple bubble.

[Som]

in the first video when he kept mentioning how in iOS it took more steps and android, it reminded me how i felt about windows 8 compared to windows 7 ha...

[rajputwarrior]

simplezz, on 23 April 2012 - 17:30, said:

How is 2.3 (gingerbread) more complicated? Samsung uses it's own TouchWiz UI, so it's pretty consistent (UI wise) from one Samsung device to the next. The video's in this thread show a 2.2 (Froyo) device still outdoing iOS in terms of easy of use, consistency, and functionality.

i didn't mean 2.3 is more complicated. the complicated part a comment to the bolded part of your comment concerning fragmentation. and that had nothing to do with what your point. i was just saying brand new android devices are still coming out with old software on them.

simplezz, on 23 April 2012 - 17:30, said:

Really? https://discussions....=0&tstart=0

yeah really

simplezz, on 23 April 2012 - 17:30, said:

Many Android OEM's still honour warranty after rooting/install a custom rom. And the bootloaders are often unlocked so it doesn't require a hack like on iOS or WP to root. And as Still1 said, iOS has to be jailbroken to just to basic things that Android does out of the box or with third party apps.

really? what android OEM's? Cause the two OEM's android devices i have owned, don't (samsung and asus)

simplezz, on 23 April 2012 - 17:30, said:

It's very easy to backup your system then install a custom rom, and if things don't work out. restore it. The Android rom community is great for that.

oh i know. titanium backup is awesome, except it was a pain in the ass getting my honeycomb backup to move over to ICS properly, half the apps and settings didn't transfer over.

simplezz, on 23 April 2012 - 17:30, said:

You mean in terms of updates? If the Lumia's 900 isn't going to get the WP8 update, then I'd say WP is worse.

you don't know that. no one does. and no one is talking about windows phone... windows phone has nothing to do with this thread.