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Dot Matrix, on 27 May 2012 - 03:32, said:

No. Nobody significant uses them. There are no top notch gadgets to install, which is why they were discontinued, and the gallery shut down. Gadgets are dead.

Well I certainly use them and have been using them since vista, but I am not "significant" since I would guess being significant must be someone like Bill Gates or that raving lunatic Balmer, I love the gadgets that I use, they are mostly system info gadgets and one for weather, they are always there showing info in real time and yet they are never in the way, unlike metro.

[MorganX]

Microsoft's visionary Office video focuses on the app. Particularly Office, and there's not much with software that can't be done today. Microsoft's designers simply don't have that much style. Apple's Keynote and Numbers come closer to that type of polish and cool productivity. Microsoft can't deliver that kind of app on Windows Phone though its quite capable today. Has nothing to do with Windows 8 or Metro.

Notably though, while content consumption can be managed by touching the screen on a mobile device in the video, the workstation had a keyboard and stylus/tablet input device. In fact, touch took place on an LCD/Screen on the keyboard. Not a workstation user reaching up touching their display all day long.

All of that is doable now (with regards to the software). I just don't think MS will ever deliver anything that slick, hopefully x86 app devs will. Somehow MS has to create tools to get more creative people designing application UIs. Microsoft can't even design nice icons so I don't know why anyone thinks they could deliver this vision themselves.

[PmRd]

MorganX, on 27 May 2012 - 05:18, said:

Microsoft's visionary Office video focuses on the app. Particularly Office, and there's not much with software that can't be done today. Microsoft's designers simply don't have that much style. Apple's Keynote and Numbers come closer to that type of polish and cool productivity. Microsoft can't deliver that kind of app on Windows Phone though its quite capable today. Has nothing to do with Windows 8 or Metro.

Notably though, while content consumption can be managed by touching the screen on a mobile device in the video, the workstation had a keyboard and stylus/tablet input device. In fact, touch took place on an LCD/Screen on the keyboard. Not a workstation user reaching up touching their display all day long.

All of that is doable now (with regards to the software). I just don't think MS will ever deliver anything that slick, hopefully x86 app devs will. Somehow MS has to create tools to get more creative people designing application UIs. Microsoft can't even design nice icons so I don't know why anyone thinks they could deliver this vision themselves.

What? Are you Bill Gates you seem to know everything about MS. MS needs to create tools to get more creative people making UIs? That statement alone proves you never touched Visual Studio. And wtf is a x86 app developer? Stop talking out of your ass, your post is mostly nonsense

[MorganX]

PmRd, on 27 May 2012 - 05:29, said:

What? Are you Bill Gates you seem to know everything about MS. MS needs to create tools to get more creative people making UIs? That statement alone proves you never touched Visual Studio. And wtf is a x86 app developer? Stop talking out of your ass, your post is mostly nonsense

No, like you, I'm someone posting my opinion online.

Visual Studio, yes, that has resulted in users interfaces that are quite creative, please, show the examples. We are talking about UIs here as in the video, please show me the application UIs that Visual Studio has helped actual graphic designers who developed the imagery in the video deliver to desktop applications? Pull it out of your ass if you have to.

x86 app developers would be anyond developing applicaitons for today's PCs running intel processors derived from the x86 architecture which would be PCs and Macs. With Apple hiring more designers resulting in them developing productivity applications that come closer to the images in the video being discussed.

Visual Studio developers tend to be boring programmers and not graphic designers who tend to develop nicer UIs and Icons, and consistent look & feel than programmmers. And you are correct, I do not touch Visual Studio, I hire and fire those who do.

But I am interested in your examples since you believe that Visual Studio has delivered in these areas. I await your links, and less lip service.

[PmRd]

MorganX, on 27 May 2012 - 05:49, said:

No, like you, I'm someone posting my opinion online.

Visual Studio, yes, that has resulted in users interfaces that are quite creative, please, show the examples. We are talking about UIs here as in the video, please show me the application UIs that Visual Studio has helped actual graphic designers who developed the imagery in the video deliver to desktop applications? Pull it out of your ass if you have to.

x86 app developers would be anyond developing applicaitons for today's PCs running intel processors derived from the x86 architecture which would be PCs and Macs. With Apple hiring more designers resulting in them developing productivity applications that come closer to the images in the video being discussed.

Visual Studio developers tend to be boring programmers and not graphic designers who tend to develop nicer UIs and Icons, and consistent look & feel than programmmers. And you are correct, I do not touch Visual Studio, I hire and fire those who do.

But I am interested in your examples since you believe that Visual Studio has delivered in these areas. I await your links, and less lip service.

What are you smoking? Ever heard of WPF or Silverlight? What more can you do with another IDE? Wow.... Ignorance is strong with you. I can assure you that Visual Studio can make any UI you can imagine and faster than any other IDE available. Exemples? http://www.telerik.c...vity-tools.aspx is a good example of nice UI design and it's for Visual Studio.

[MorganX]

PmRd, on 27 May 2012 - 06:11, said:

What are you smoking? Ever heard of WPF or Siverlight? What more can you do with another IDE? Wow.... Ignorance is strong with you. I can assure you that Visual Studio can make any UI you can imagine.

I asked you to point me to the applications and if you cannot, I stand by my assertion that MS needs to, among other things, make tools that are more accesible and encourage more designers to create UIs as shown in the video.

I don't want to imagine the UI, that's what the video is for, I say show me. The tools you are referencing are here now, they've been here long enough for Silverlight to be tombstoned, so show me the applications, clearly you cannot, which I already know.

telerik is a nice UI, but it's remoteness proves my point. Neowin web has a better UI than most apps. Work/Tools are needed here. Metro and it's tools and the consumption of applets may encourage more designers to create these types of UIs as would tool targeted more toward the creative types, and not so much the programmatic types.

[sanctified]

The questions are:

1.- Do we have the choice to choose colors for our start screen? I dont want that multicolored crap.

2.- Do we have the choice to disable push tiles? I dont want my OS to inform me of everything at all times.

[PmRd]

MorganX, on 27 May 2012 - 06:14, said:

I asked you to point me to the applications and if you cannot, I stand by my assertion that MS needs to, among other things, make tools that are more accesible and encourage more designers to create UIs as shown in the video.

I don't want to imagine the UI, that's what the video is for, I say show me. The tools you are referencing are here now, they've been here long enough for Silverlight to be tombstoned, so show me the applications, clearly you cannot, which I already know.

http://www.telerik.c...vity-tools.aspx Now please return from under the rock where you emerged. I'm a programmer and a UI designer and Visual Studio is by far the best thing out there. You fire people who use Visual Studio? You must have a really successful company

[MorganX]

PmRd, on 27 May 2012 - 06:17, said:

http://www.telerik.c...vity-tools.aspx Now please return from under the rock where you emerged. I'm a programmer and a UI designer and Visual Studio is by far the best thing out there.

I'm not going to debate whether or not Visual Studio is the best thing out there, I'll leave that to a programmer to choose. What my point is and remains, the tools that are out there, clearly are not reaching a whole lot of creative types. When tools are available that do reach these types, or that they want to use, we will see much better UIs.

[PmRd]

MorganX, on 27 May 2012 - 06:24, said:

I'm not going to debate whether or not Visual Studio is the best thing out there, I'll leave that to a programmer to choose. What my point is and remains, the tools that are out there, clearly are not reaching a whole lot of creative types. When tools are available that do reach these types, or that they want to use, we will see much better UIs.

Clearly you are living under a rock or you are some kind of Santa Claus or God from a parallel universe. Why don't you pay a little visit to www.dreamspark.com or www.xna.com to see if the tools are reaching the creative people yet. Wow.. I've never seen someone talk about something they have no idea about like you. Please educate yourself on the subject before replying, you may want to try "WPF" in a google search to put some little knowledge in that brain of yours.

[MorganX]

PmRd, on 27 May 2012 - 06:28, said:

Clearly you are living under a rock or you are some kind of Santa Claus or God from a parallel universe. Why don't you pay a little visit to www.dreamspark.com or www.xna.com to see if the tools are reaching the creative people yet. Wow.. I've never seen someone talk about something they have no idea about like you. Please educate yourself on the subject before replying, you may want to try "WPF" in a google search to put some little knowledge in that brain of yours.

I asked you for the applications not the tools. You think name calling like a spoiled child-like programmer will hide the fact that you can't backup your bull****?

This is why programmers generally stick to programming. You ask them for applications developed with the tools and they point you to sites for the tools.

[PmRd]

MorganX, on 27 May 2012 - 06:57, said:

I asked you for the applications not the tools. You think name calling like a spoiled child-like programmer will hide the fact that you can't backup your bull****?

This is why programmers generally stick to programming. You ask them for applications developed with the tools and they point you to sites for the tools.

http://www.metrotwit.com/
http://www.telerik.c...ucts/fdeck.aspx
http://origininterac...nd-development/



to name a few... now please stop being so ignorant... People are making great apps you're just pretending they are not. Tool makers would be out of business if no one made apps with them. Oh and keep pretending "x86 app developers" are a thing.. that's cute

[ScottDaMan]

jakem1, on 20 May 2012 - 15:52, said:

The Start menu hasn't been fit for purpose for years (especially the Windows 95-style menu that you yearn for) and the Start screen fixes most of its predecessors problems:

• It's no longer ridiculously cramped
  
• You don't have to click through countless menus or search through endless lists of meaningless tiny icons to find things
  
• You can finally group your most used apps in a variety of ways
  
• The frequently used apps list, which never did anything after about a day of use, is (thankfully) gone.
  
• More search results are visible and can be easily filtered

Hmmm, am I the only one that finds Windows 7 simpler than Windows 8? I can't be. I hit Winkey, type what I want, enter. Winkey + type calc + enter 1 second, its open. If I want Adobe Photoshop, I start typing Pho....there it is, enter. <shrug>

[PmRd]

ScottDaMan, on 27 May 2012 - 07:23, said:

Hmmm, am I the only one that finds Windows 7 simpler than Windows 8? I can't be. I hit Winkey, type what I want, enter. Winkey + type calc + enter 1 second, its open. If I want Adobe Photoshop, I start typing Pho....there it is, enter. <shrug>

Ok and what's the difference with Windows 8?

[Anthonyd]

sanctified, on 27 May 2012 - 06:14, said:

The questions are:

1.- Do we have the choice to choose colors for our start screen? I dont want that multicolored crap.

2.- Do we have the choice to disable push tiles? I dont want my OS to inform me of everything at all times.

1- Yes you can pick up the accent color of your choice.
2- Yes. But I don't see why you want to disable live tile, just don't pin the apps if not needed. Also so apps are "notification" which is a little popup that pops in the corner of your screen, and this can be disabled too.