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[Stoffel]

Dot Matrix, on 11 July 2012 - 16:01, said:

Why isn't touch allowed to augment the desktop?

Because he doesn't see the point of having touch on a desktop, so it's stupid and there is no reason for it!

[BajiRav]

.Neo, on 11 July 2012 - 15:32, said:

iPad sale figures beg to differ. Anyway, I also remember this one:

I think I will discard that quote as necessary CEO chest thumping. He must have known where the market was going as OHA (or whatever that Android thing is called) was formed a few months earlier and then Apple couple with lackluster WinMo phones+marketshare. It's similar to many things that Steve Jobs said and then a few months/years later Apple would start selling products he said they will never make.
Although still makes for a good chuckle, I agree.

TheLegendOfMart, on 11 July 2012 - 15:54, said:

I really hope the market doesn't shift towards tablets instead of desktops, they are overpriced and underpowered compared to desktop PCs.

It has happened before with Laptops, it is happening now with Ultrabooks and it will continue to happen as newer form factors are "invented".

Dot Matrix, on 11 July 2012 - 16:01, said:

Why isn't touch allowed to augment the desktop?

Touch should be optional on desktop. I don't want my desktop to unnecessarily cost more because of touch hardware. As much as I like metro, I don't use much of it on my desktop PC.

[Syanide]

PC+? That's rich coming from people who took a phone OS and slapped it on the desktop.

[.Neo]

BajiRav, on 11 July 2012 - 16:04, said:

I think I will discard that quote as necessary CEO chest thumping.

For me it's a symbol of what's wrong with Microsoft lately: They lack a clear vision.

[Dot Matrix]

.Neo, on 11 July 2012 - 16:18, said:

For me it's a symbol of what's wrong with Microsoft lately: They lack a clear vision.

Surface disagrees

[TheLegendOfMart]

Dot Matrix, on 11 July 2012 - 16:21, said:

Surface disagrees

Surface is just a reaction to the iPad and Android Tablets, instead of being pro-active they are being reactive.

[.Neo]

Dot Matrix, on 11 July 2012 - 16:21, said:

Surface disagrees

Surface is as of yet unreleased and after almost three years simply Microsoft's answer to the Apple iPad.

[Stoffel]

How can anybody say MS is lacking direction or vision
For a lot of us it's pretty clear where MS is going with all their new releases.
You might not agree with the way they are going but saying they lack direction is just silly.

I can't wait for all the services and software to be completely intune with each other, it's going to be an exciting 12 months for MS

[Dot Matrix]

Stoffel, on 11 July 2012 - 16:03, said:

Because he doesn't see the point of having touch on a desktop, so it's stupid and there is no reason for it!

I think it augments the desktop quite nicely. Especially on AiOs and Transformers.

[Arceles]

IF they see them as different things... why make so difficult for mouse users? (damn...)

[.Neo]

Stoffel, on 11 July 2012 - 16:30, said:

How can anybody say MS is lacking direction or vision

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[Melfster]

.Neo, on 11 July 2012 - 16:18, said:

For me it's a symbol of what's wrong with Microsoft lately: They lack a clear vision.

No they do have a clear vision. Its 3 screens and the cloud stategy. The problem they have currently is implementation. If you think of it the heart of Windows is Win32/64 apps. Sure there is .Net but the performance of these apps is simple not at same level as apps running as apps written in c++. WinRT Metro apps are answer to drive forward the platform. Its really immature at this point but it is part of their strategy.

[Mr Nom Nom's]

How are such stupid people allowed to have accounts on Neowin. The Post-PC world does not mean that PC's are going to disappear but rather they're no longer going to be the centre of the universe - the cloud is is now the centre and the desktop/laptop/tablet/phone are but one of many devices that will interact with the cloud and keep things synced between all the devices connected to said cloud.

As for Surface - no isn't going to replace every PC in the world just as laptops haven't replaced every desktop and just as every server hasn't suddenly made mainframes obsolete. There will be certain end users where Surface can replace their laptop for all their day to day work such as those who simply use their computer to send emails, surf the net, update their Facebook and twitter feed, maybe skype some friends online, and write the occasional document. Those people will be happy and served well with the Surface but there will still be people who need a fully kitted out desktop, laptop or workstation to do their work as well - sorry but the PC isn't going anywhere, it is staying right here along side the smart phones that the very same idiots claimed would one day replace laptops but never did.

Melfster, on 11 July 2012 - 16:35, said:

No they do have a clear vision. Its 3 screens and the cloud stategy. The problem they have currently is implementation. If you think of it the heart of Windows is Win32/64 apps. Sure there is .Net but the performance of these apps is simple not at same level as apps running as apps written in c++. WinRT Metro apps are answer to drive forward the platform. Its really immature at this point but it is part of their strategy.

There wouldn't be this problem if Microsoft provided a complete WinRT stack so that you can write Metro and traditional desktop applications using the framework. If they rocked up to the developers and said, "yes, here is a new framework - you can write your traditional applications using it as well as Metro style ones" the response would have been a lot more positive. The reality is that the complaints I have heard from win32 developers is that there is no path forward for those applications that simply cannot be written using the Metro style language and thus they feel as though the desktop side of the platform has been ignored at the expense of chasing after Apple.

selphj, on 11 July 2012 - 16:38, said:

I can promise you all those people with an ipad have at least 1 PC in their home. In my case, my work ipad is joined by my work laptop, home PC and home laptop. So I would say PC+ era is dead on.

Who are you replying to? use the quote function rather than just throwing a random comment out there which is devoid of context. The way you were phrasing it sounded like you were replying to me - but how do I know if you don't quote?

[selphj]

I can promise you all those people with an ipad have at least 1 PC in their home. In my case, my work ipad is joined by my work laptop, home PC and home laptop. So I would say PC+ era is dead on.

[.Neo]

Melfster, on 11 July 2012 - 16:35, said:

No they do have a clear vision. Its 3 screens and the cloud stategy. The problem they have currently is implementation. If you think of it the heart of Windows is Win32/64 apps. Sure there is .Net but the performance of these apps is simple not at same level as apps running as apps written in c++. WinRT Metro apps are answer to drive forward the platform. Its really immature at this point but it is part of their strategy.

My point is that Microsoft failed at anticipating three key markets: Music (iPod, iTunes Store), Smartphones for the masses (iPhone) and new generation of tablets (iPad). Microsoft's response to this was at first denial and then simply reactive when they turned out to be wrong.