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[Ambroos]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 22:21, said:

No Pale Moon is updated at least once a month. I could download and use Firefox 3.6. But I don't have to do that when I can use Pale Moon 3.6. Which is exactly the same as Firefox 3.6. And is updated on a regular basis.

Firefox 3.6 is no longer supported and there are no updates for it. But Pale Moon 3.6 is supported. Andrea Borman.

Credit where it's due, you are right. Pale Moon is still supported when it comes to security fixes, but it's still unable to provide a satisfying experience when surfing the web. There are so many new HTML5 and CSS3 techniques that web developers can use to create websites that look absolutely amazing, but you can't use them in Firefox 3.6. The same goes for Internet Explorer 9, all websites look much better in IE9 than they do in IE8 or older browsers. Even on the Pale Moon website they state that 3.6 is only really meant for people who really need it because of incompatible plugins, toolbars etcetera. "Because it is easier" or whatever is not a valid excuse. You'd still be much better of with the newest Firefox version (14), Google Chrome, Internet Explorer 9 or Opera. All four of them are much faster, safer, and better at handling websites using new techniques.


And you obviously read my post, why did you ignore the rest of it? Could you please respond to the other things I've said?

[+Brando212]

WarriorEd22, on 11 August 2012 - 19:02, said:

Just use Trillian.

she said and I quote "I can't figure out how to use trillian, it is unusable by everyone" 0_o

[+Brando212]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 20:29, said:

Read the Microsoft Answers Forum on this thread here 32 pages long. And you will see exactly how many people feel about Windows Live Essentials 2011 version.
Here-http://answers.micro...74-52505bbbf290

They don't like WLE 2011 version. And neither do I. That's why we stay with WLE 2009 version.

And Microsoft may have released WLE 2012 version. But nobody will upgrade to it. That's all. I and most people are staying with WLE 2009 version. Andrea Borman.

no s**t they're on there talking about how they don't like it, no one who likes it is going to care enough to go on there

[Andrea Borman]

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Ambroos wrote-
Credit where it's due, you are right. Pale Moon is still supported when it comes to security fixes, but it's still unable to provide a satisfying experience when surfing the web. There are so many new HTML5 and CSS3 techniques that web developers can use to create websites that look absolutely amazing, but you can't use them in Firefox 3.6. The same goes for Internet Explorer 9, all websites look much better in IE9 than they do in IE8 or older browsers. Even on the Pale Moon website they state that 3.6 is only really meant for people who really need it because of incompatible plugins, toolbars etcetera. "Because it is easier" or whatever is not a valid excuse. You'd still be much better of with the newest Firefox version (14), Google Chrome, Internet Explorer 9 or Opera. All four of them are much faster, safer, and better at handling websites using new techniques.

Well I am very happy with Pale Moon 3.6. And I also use Safefox which is based on Firefox 3.5. There are many Firefox clones,Comet Bird,based on Firefox 12, and Wyzo,based also on Firefox 3.6.

But IE9? No Never. I will never install IE9.

And I will never install WLE 2012 version or WLE 2011 version. I am staying with WLE 2009 version.Andrea Borman.

[Yogurtmaster]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 15:02, said:

Well we have got WLE 2009 version,which is the latest version on our Windows XP. So I don't see why we can't have it on Windows Vista and Windows 7. And WLE 2009 and Messenger 2009 is working on my Windows 8. Andrea Borman.

It's free. It's not like you paid for it. Maybe you should take some computer courses?

[Anaron]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 21:22, said:

The problem is that we like a software and get used to it. And then when they make a new version of the software,it is completely different from the old version.

For example,I stopped using Firefox after they stopped making Firefox 3.6. Because Firefox 4 and above version are not the same as Firefox 3.6

So now I use Pale Moon 3.6 which is the same as Firefox 3.6 and updated regular.

It's the same problem with WLE.WLE 2011 and WLE 2012 is so different from WLE 2009 version that some people don't want to use it.

I don't mind updating my software. But not to a version that is not like the old version. Microsoft should have just made WLE 2011 and 2012 the same as WLE 2009 and previous versions. Not like it is now. Andrea Borman.

No, the problem is your inability to cope with change. I don't think you realize that changes need to be made for the sake of progress. You shouldn't stop using software just because it looks different. In most cases, other changes are made to improve the software's performance, compatibility, and to fix bugs.

I've been using WLE 2011 since it was first released because I prefer to keep my software up-to-date. Once I learned about WE 2012, I installed it without hesitation. You claim that it looks worse than WLE 2011 but what you don't understand is that it's almost identical in appearance. What I mean by that is the UI hasn't changed. If you're interested in the changes they've made, I recommend you read this article.

If software developers had the same mindset as you, we'd still be using Windows 1.0:

[Andrea Borman]

Well you could install Windows 3.1 but it would not do anything. It would not connect to the Internet. I don't think so anyway.

But keeping WLE 2009 is not the same as trying to use Windows 3.1 is it?

And WLE 2012 is only in Beta at the moment, so it may not be stable.

We have a choice on Windows 7,Windows Vista, and Windows 8 to use WLE 2009,WLE 2011. And on Windows 7 and Windows 8 also WLE 2012.

But I choose WLE 2009 version. It's the best version. Andrea Borman.

[Tyler R.]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 22:51, said:

But keeping WLE 2009 is not the same as trying to use Windows 3.1 is it? Andrea Borman.

Yes. It is using outdated software. Please grasp the concept before I slam my head into my keyboard.

[KRazpopov]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 22:51, said:

Well you could install Windows 3.1 but it would not do anything. It would not connect to the Internet. I don't think so anyway.

But keeping WLE 2009 is not the same as trying to use Windows 3.1 is it?

And WLE 2012 is only in Beta at the moment so it may not be stable.

We have a choice on Windows 7,Windows Vista and Windows 8 to use WLE 2009,WLE 2011. And on Windows 7 and Windows 8 also WLE 2012.

But I choose WLE 2009 version. It's the best version. Andrea Borman.

You can't install windows 3.1 on modern hardware, because it's a 16-bit operating system.

And I didn't see a message on the Microsoft website anywhere, stating that WLE 2012 is a beta. Meaning you just made that up right now.

And no, WLE '09 isn't the best. It's outdated, doesn't have as many functions and the UI isn't as intuitive.

Tyler R., on 11 August 2012 - 22:54, said:

Yes. It is using outdated software. Please grasp the concept before I slam my head into my keyboard.

Lol.

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[Dot Matrix]

On topic: You're ****ed at WLE 2012. Cool. Stick with 2009 or whatever and be happy. No more crying threads, please! Microsoft isn't going to care either way.

[Calum]

The answer to the question raised in the thread title: If you're using any other version of this suite, yes, of course you should install this new update. There are minimal changes to the design, some useful new features, and probably a fair few bug fixes and security enhancements.

[Eddie7]

Brando212, on 11 August 2012 - 22:30, said:

she said and I quote "I can't figure out how to use trillian, it is unusable by everyone" 0_o

Lol, I wonder how I'm using it.

[Matthew_Thepc]

AndreaBorman, on 11 August 2012 - 22:38, said:

But IE9? No Never. I will never install IE9.

That's a little harsh, isn't it? Why don't you at least give it a try? IE9 had the first full hardware acceleration implementation of the major browsers, so they've had more time to refine it than in Chrome and Firefox (which ends up meaning better performance on systems with GPUs). Not to mention the Chakra JS engine, which is up-to-par with it's Chrome and FF opponents. IE9 is really the first IE in a while that's as good as it's competitors, and it's definitely better than Firefox 3.6. How hard is it to get used to your tabs and address bar being on the same row? The speed improvements make the 5 minutes it cost most people to learn the new UI a steal

Why don't you set aside a week or two to actually try out with an open mind the latest versions of the software you're clinging to? you might just be surprised how much you like it

As for the OP: yeah, you should install it. 2012 > 2009 not to mention any security fixes Microsoft may have fixed in 2012 that were present in 2009.

[Growled]

I haven't used Live Essentials in a while but I am looking forward to using 2012.