wehavetogoback Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I'm using Windows 8 RTM as a sort of duplicate as my main machine for work, everything's ok except a couple of things I still can't understand of the start screen. Here the first: http://i46.tinypic.com/soba84.jpg This is the All Apps portion of my start, and while the second part is basically the start menu with all the folders of the apps installed, I can't understand the first two columns, or simply the first group named just APPS. There's a strange mix of Metro apps (are these ALL the metro apps I have?) and normal apps, which I pinned to be organinized in the first start screen. They don't even seems to be my most used apps. So what define what's in this group? Second: http://i46.tinypic.com/15psl81.jpg Why the hell Chrome is GREY? Third: Some apps, AFAIK just Chrome, always open in Metro style from the Start menu. Which is of course just nonsense, for reasons I don't even have to explain. Solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Apps is just all apps installed, Metro + Classic Chrome is probably just its own Metro app colour, your other tiles are not real Metro tiles, just pinned classic icons using the blue colour scheme, look at the real metro apps to the left, they have their own colours too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee G. Veteran Posted August 18, 2012 Veteran Share Posted August 18, 2012 Chrome is grey because it's a Metro app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafin0 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 1: that shows all apps installed, the first lot you see are not organised into any folders so they just show up in alphabetical order. (hope that makes sense) 2/3. i have not used chrome on my win 8 yet but from what i hear it installed a metro app (or what ever they call it now), that is why it acts as one... im not sure if you can go back to the normal desktop version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contextfree Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm using Windows 8 RTM as a sort of duplicate as my main machine for work, everything's ok except a couple of things I still can't understand of the start screen. Here the first: http://i46.tinypic.com/soba84.jpg This is the All Apps portion of my start, and while the second part is basically the start menu with all the folders of the apps installed, I can't understand the first two columns, or simply the first group named just APPS. There's a strange mix of Metro apps (are these ALL the metro apps I have?) and normal apps, which I pinned to be organinized in the first start screen. They don't even seems to be my most used apps. So what define what's in this group? You've basically got it right. The All Apps screen is more or less the equivalent of the All Programs view in the classic Start menu. The first, alphabetical group is a bit different as it consists of all Metro apps, plus all apps not in any folder, plus all pinned tiles - including tiles that aren't actually for apps. Even pinned folders, websites, or for example people from the People app are counted as "apps" on this screen. This is weird, but does provide a handy way to find things once you have a ton of tiles pinned. (They are also included as "apps" in the Search charm). Second: http://i46.tinypic.com/15psl81.jpg Why the hell Chrome is GREY? Third: Some apps, AFAIK just Chrome, always open in Metro style from the Start menu. Which is of course just nonsense, for reasons I don't even have to explain. Solution? Yeah, that's because web browsers, or rather only the web browser you've set as your default, get a special exception from the normal separation between desktop and Metro apps. Your default browser is allowed to have both a desktop and Metro UI mode for the same executable. IE10 works the same way - it is really just one app, not two, just with two UI modes it can open in. Which mode it opens in is up to the browser itself, so if there's a way to change that it'll be in the browser's own settings somewhere, not the OS settings. With IE you'll find it in the desktop Internet Options dialog under Programs, Chrome I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siah1214 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 The current implementation of Chrome as a metro app is horrible. Not Windows 8's fault, Google pushed out a half baked attempt at a metro browser and it's a piece of crap. I feel sorry for all of the people out there that are going listen to their tech-head idiot friends that insist IE is a bad browser, install Chrome instead, and get an abysmal experience when trying to browse the web. Just uninstall chrome and use IE instead, and you won't have to put up with that crap :) Of course, people are going to blame Microsoft for Chrome's bad performance. You can't fix stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayscale Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 That gray Chrome icon is because it's the Metro version. It is gray no matter what color scheme you use because it is set that way by Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contextfree Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 The current implementation of Chrome as a metro app is horrible. Not Windows 8's fault, Google pushed out a half baked attempt at a metro browser and it's a piece of crap. I feel sorry for all of the people out there that are going listen to their tech-head idiot friends that insist IE is a bad browser, install Chrome instead, and get an abysmal experience when trying to browse the web. Just uninstall chrome and use IE instead, and you won't have to put up with that crap :) Of course, people are going to blame Microsoft for Chrome's bad performance. You can't fix stupid. The Metro Chrome is still experimental. It's fine since Windows 8 hasn't been released to the public yet, we'll see what it looks like when it does get released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoandGeo Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Chrome is easily the best desktop browser, but I agree that their Metro version leaves a lot to be desired. It's basically the desktop version in full screen. Nothing about it is touch friendly really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+devHead Subscriber² Posted August 19, 2012 Subscriber² Share Posted August 19, 2012 Actually, the first group under 'Apps' are all your Metro apps, plus Desktop apps that are either still pinned or were pinned to the Start Screen at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wehavetogoback Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 You've basically got it right. The All Apps screen is more or less the equivalent of the All Programs view in the classic Start menu. The first, alphabetical group is a bit different as it consists of all Metro apps, plus all apps not in any folder, plus all pinned tiles - including tiles that aren't actually for apps. Even pinned folders, websites, or for example people from the People app are counted as "apps" on this screen. This is weird, but does provide a handy way to find things once you have a ton of tiles pinned. (They are also included as "apps" in the Search charm). Ok I got it. So to sum it up, the first group with no name contains: -ALL metro apps -apps inside C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs without their own folder -ALL the apps you pin on the FIRST start menu page Is it weird? Yes. Is it confusing? Yes. Thanks for all the replies and also to the guy who explained the exception of the main browser, which seems to be the only app to have this strange dual nature, part metro part normal app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazmus Shakib Khandaker Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Thanks for all the replies and also to the guy who explained the exception of the main browser, which seems to be the only app to have this strange dual nature, part metro part normal app. If you set Internet Explorer as default browser, chrome will loose its metro version (and its grey color). You will see metro version of IE10, which is much better for touch and works better as a metro style app than does chrome. Try it: set IE as default and launch it from the All Apps menu. Once you experiment with that, you can set chrome as default again, if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Borman Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 I'm using Windows 8 RTM as a sort of duplicate as my main machine for work, everything's ok except a couple of things I still can't understand of the start screen. Here the first: http://i46.tinypic.com/soba84.jpg This is the All Apps portion of my start, and while the second part is basically the start menu with all the folders of the apps installed, I can't understand the first two columns, or simply the first group named just APPS. There's a strange mix of Metro apps (are these ALL the metro apps I have?) and normal apps, which I pinned to be organinized in the first start screen. They don't even seems to be my most used apps. So what define what's in this group? Second: http://i46.tinypic.com/15psl81.jpg Why the hell Chrome is GREY? Third: Some apps, AFAIK just Chrome, always open in Metro style from the Start menu. Which is of course just nonsense, for reasons I don't even have to explain. Solution? Oh, that is the Metro start menu,which is part of the Metro theme, that is on all versions of Windows 8. But if you find it difficult using the Metro start menu,you can install,Classic Shell,Vi Start or Start Menu 7. Like I have done. Which gives you both the start button and Windows 7 start menu. And yes the grey Google Chrome icon is the metro version of Google Chrome. But you can just use the desktop version of Chrome if you don't like the Metro version. Well,as I am running Windows 8 on a netbook,the Metro apps don't work. So I just use the ordinary non Metro software. Andrea Borman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShadow Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Yes, it's annoying that Chrome always opens in Metro when you set it as the default browser. Hopefully they'll be a option to turn the Metro version off, for now the only solution is to set IE as your default browser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKAngel Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Oh, that is the Metro start menu,which is part of the Metro theme, that is on all versions of Windows 8. But if you find it difficult using the Metro start menu,you can install,Classic Shell,Vi Start or Start Menu 7. Like I have done. Which gives you both the start button and Windows 7 start menu. And yes the grey Google Chrome icon is the metro version of Google Chrome. But you can just use the desktop version of Chrome if you don't like the Metro version. Well,as I am running Windows 8 on a netbook,the Metro apps don't work. So I just use the ordinary non Metro software. Andrea Borman. they only dont work because the screen resolution is to low, its not to do with your netbook, u may as well stick to windows 7 if ur just gonna put the startmenu back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Borman Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 they only dont work because the screen resolution is to low, its not to do with your netbook, u may as well stick to windows 7 if ur just gonna put the startmenu back in But you don't need the Metro apps on Windows 8. You can use all of the non Metro software you use on Windows 7. Most software is non Metro anyway. Andrea Borman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayscale Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Yes, it's annoying that Chrome always opens in Metro when you set it as the default browser. Hopefully they'll be a option to turn the Metro version off, for now the only solution is to set IE as your default browser. For now, yes, but Google will most likely put the option to always open links on the Desktop version (like in IE10) before or slightly after the October 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayscale Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 (edited) But you don't need the Metro apps on Windows 8. You can use all of the non Metro software you use on Windows 7. Most software is non Metro anyway. Andrea Borman. He's merely explaining that using a netbook doesn't mean you can't run Metro apps. The screen resolution is the one that determines that. Netbooks can run Metro apps as long as they meet the screen resolution requirements. <snipped out quote from a removed post> Edited August 20, 2012 by Calum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea Borman Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 For now, yes, but Google will most likely put the option to always open links on the Desktop version (like in IE10) before or slightly after the October 26. Well I don't have IE10 on Windows 8 because I uninstalled it. I have Advanced browser and Ace Explorer. Which are Internet Explorer shells for sites that require IE. But when I did have IE10 it was the desktop version, not the Metro version that I used. But that's the same as IE9 and just as horrible as. Andrea Borman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShadow Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 For now, yes, but Google will most likely put the option to always open links on the Desktop version (like in IE10) before or slightly after the October 26. I hope so. I want Chrome as my default, but I don't want to use the Immersive version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 the last screen shot show you that you can also look at the apps and programs in alphabetical order. Yet if you click on the grouping you want, it just dumps you back to the 'full' list with no visual cue of what you clicked on (you just know its on the screen, somewhere). Hopefully as Metro moves out of Alpha they will make the zoom the default view and allow you to expand 'into' that container, just like in classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contextfree Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Hopefully as Metro moves out of Alpha they will make the zoom the default view and allow you to expand 'into' that container, just like in classic. This would have the disadvantages of: * Requiring you to know which group an app is in (which is hardly always obvious) or try different groups until you see the one you want * Requiring an extra click even if you do know the group * Making it harder to use spatial memory to get a feel for where your apps are Maybe some users would still prefer it so maybe it should be an option in Settings, but it shouldn't be the default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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