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[+Brandon Live]

adiaga, on 21 August 2012 - 05:35, said:

the problem with IE is that it if even it would be better than most browsers now it will remain behind pretty fast as the others will bring updates much quicker than microsoft which releases a new IE version when a new OS comes out.

Regarding that last bit, Windows 7 came with IE8 (both were released in 2009). IE9 came in between Windows 7 and 8, and now IE10 comes with Win8.

[still1]

-Razorfold, on 21 August 2012 - 05:25, said:

Microsoft pretty much controlled the market when IE6 was released. And when a company controls a market they don't feel the need to release new products since there's no competition and hence no incentive to do so.

When Firefox and then Chrome started to become popular Microsoft took notice and released IE7, 8, 9 and now 10. If Chrome ever reaches the marketshare IE6 once had, Google will start doing the same thing Microsoft did simply because it saves them a ton of money. Though one can hope that they learnt from the mistake MS made and will keep improving their product.

Opera didnt seem to stop developing even with low market share... I was a hardcore IE user untill IE8 and then switched.. thanks to MS's laziness.

[regenerati0n]

Brandon Live, on 21 August 2012 - 05:37, said:

IE10 should always launch a 64-bit frame, and will default to 64-bit tabs. However, it can/will use 32-bit tabs for some things (depending on add-ins you have installed, intranet vs internet maybe, etc).

I just reinstalled Windows 8 on the test system just for you. Clean installation (not upgrade). Didn't install anything. Didn't change anything.

Desktop's IE10 uses 32-bit tabs.
Metro's IE10 uses 64-bit tabs.

It even appears in the user agent:

32-bit tab user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; Trident/6.0)
64-bit tab user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; Win64; x64; Trident/6.0)

See for yourself on http://www.whatismybrowser.com and http://whatsmyuseragent.com.

[+Bamsebjorn]

Is Microsoft going to release IE10 for Windows 7? If not, can we still take them (Microsoft) seriously? Really, they break the internet with their different IE versions.

Internet Explorer is a tool to open websites on the internet. If you need a browser, download Firefox/Chrome/Opera.

[-Razorfold]

still1, on 21 August 2012 - 06:06, said:

Opera didnt seem to stop developing even with low market share... I was a hardcore IE user untill IE8 and then switched.. thanks to MS's laziness.

Where did I say anything about low marketshare? I said high marketshare (or no competition) tends to lead to laziness. When IE6 was released there really wasn't any competition. Opera was around but it wasn't free, Firefox wasn't around till 2004, Netscape was as good as dead, Chrome didn't exist, and Safari was released in 2003 on OS X. So Microsoft had no incentive to further develop their browser because there wasn't any other product to compete with, and hence no reason for them to spend money developing it further.

Opera was also a paid app until version 10 so their incentive to develop came from their need for money. Nowadays the desktop browser may be free but they earn a good deal of money from licensing (Wii browser is powered by Opera, HTC used to use their browser as default etc).

[Shane Nokes]

regenerati0n, on 21 August 2012 - 06:17, said:

I just reinstalled Windows 8 on the test system just for you. Clean installation (not upgrade). Didn't install anything. Didn't change anything.

Desktop's IE10 uses 32-bit tabs.
Metro's IE10 uses 64-bit tabs.

It even appears in the user agent:

32-bit tab user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; Trident/6.0)
64-bit tab user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; Win64; x64; Trident/6.0)

See for yourself on http://www.whatismybrowser.com and http://whatsmyuseragent.com.

Something is wrong then...

Check the Task Manager. Is it showing 32-bit?

[regenerati0n]

Shane Nokes, on 21 August 2012 - 07:49, said:

Something is wrong then...

Check the Task Manager. Is it showing 32-bit?

Nothing is wrong. In Windows 8 RTM 64-bit, Internet Explorer always shows up as iexplore.exe (without *32, unlike other software).

Go ahead and launch it from Program Files (x86) and see for yourself.

Also try this: launch IE from the taskbar and check out your user agent as I suggested before.

[torrentthief]

shame that 32bit IE10 is slower than the 64bit version Lets hope they hurry up with the windows 7 release of IE10. I want it already.

[aionaddict]

These benchmarks are pretty dumb though the real question is how does it perform on daily tasks the average user will do.

[GP007]

snorge, on 21 August 2012 - 08:21, said:

These benchmarks are pretty dumb though the real question is how does it perform on daily tasks the average user will do.

I'm with you on this, daily usage and performance is what matters now who has the fastest JS engine which is down to a few ms' now, thus the only way you even notice the difference is if you slow down the website rendering to time laps levels, it's ridiculous at this point. I've been using IE9 as my main browser since the beta which Opera as my 2nd, other than the odd flash crash it really works good for me. IE10 in the Win8RP is faster, I can tell it loads websites like neowin faster than IE9, and for me that's all the difference I need to see.

[Max Norris]

StevenJ, on 21 August 2012 - 05:12, said:

I don't understand why Firefox memory usage is so low compared to the rest. Since the 0.x beta days they had a huge memory leak. However they never acknowledged it as a memory leak: they called it a 'feature' in that it saves the browsing sessions of closed tabs and previous pages.

Hasn't been an issue for good bit of time now (fixed in.. v4? I forget), unless you have an addon that's misbehaving. Last few versions, as least with the 20 or so addons that I'm using, Firefox has been quite good with memory usage, usually winding up using more or less half the memory of Chromium with similar addons.

[still1]

-Razorfold, on 21 August 2012 - 07:37, said:

Where did I say anything about low marketshare? I said high marketshare (or no competition) tends to lead to laziness. When IE6 was released there really wasn't any competition. Opera was around but it wasn't free, Firefox wasn't around till 2004, Netscape was as good as dead, Chrome didn't exist, and Safari was released in 2003 on OS X. So Microsoft had no incentive to further develop their browser because there wasn't any other product to compete with, and hence no reason for them to spend money developing it further. Opera was also a paid app until version 10 so their incentive to develop came from their need for money. Nowadays the desktop browser may be free but they earn a good deal of money from licensing (Wii browser is powered by Opera, HTC used to use their browser as default etc).

Dude, I was not arguing with you... I was just saying.

[Shane Nokes]

regenerati0n, on 21 August 2012 - 07:56, said:

Nothing is wrong. In Windows 8 RTM 64-bit, Internet Explorer always shows up as iexplore.exe (without *32, unlike other software).

Go ahead and launch it from Program Files (x86) and see for yourself.

Also try this: launch IE from the taskbar and check out your user agent as I suggested before.

That's my point. I did check, and my clean install is running IE64, and when I run IE32 it shows that it's 32-bit in the Task Manager.

When I attempt to Pin IE64 to the taskbar it notes that it is already pinned in the context menu. IE32 however notes that it is available to pin to the taskbar.

I just don't want you to have invalid results since I'd like to see a good comparison review.

[Tuishimi]

regenerati0n, on 21 August 2012 - 06:17, said:

I just reinstalled Windows 8 on the test system just for you. Clean installation (not upgrade). Didn't install anything. Didn't change anything.

Desktop's IE10 uses 32-bit tabs.
Metro's IE10 uses 64-bit tabs.

It even appears in the user agent:

32-bit tab user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; Trident/6.0)
64-bit tab user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.2; Win64; x64; Trident/6.0)

See for yourself on http://www.whatismybrowser.com and http://whatsmyuseragent.com.

That is odd, to me... because my clean install uses 64 bit all around.

[edit]

Not criticizing in any way, just actually wondering why the difference.

[ACTIONpack]

They should look at the html5test.com and try to get at least 400 score on there. It seem like it's the standard use for browser scoring in HTML5.