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[GP007]

If there's anyone I trust to fix issues quickly it's the Windows Phone team. Notice how the issues brought up here on coming from the Windows side and not actually the phone itself. Those who use the phone without a PC other than to just move some files over, nothing really advanced, have no issues.

And people wonder why Ballmer sacked Sinofsky? It's this weird state that he's to blame for. I bet it was his call to dump the zune client and have the windows team make "new" Windows 8 apps. Lets see what 2013 brings with the changes now. If anything, when it's all said and done I bet WP will end up even more tied to Windows so we don't have these problems anymore.

[Dot Matrix]

Luis Mazza, on 24 November 2012 - 23:07, said:

In Microsoft's world, being late, not listening to consumers (yes, the nerds, the ones who dictate WHAT consumers should buy) means that you can do whatever you want, because... well... you're Microsoft.

Maybe some history classes to Mr. Ballmer could illuminate his mind (if it's even possible, I mean).

Fact is: the monopoly is fading. Anyway, if Microsoft fails, only shareholders will be affected (that's not unimportant, though) but employees will be fine with plenty of opportunities in other companies.

But I'm afraid that Bill Gates' plan on eliminating Malaria and other third world s*** (something that really does help us, regarding Darwin's ideas) will be threatened.

Why should nerds dictate what people should buy? We are not the target audience.

[Luis Mazza]

Dot Matrix, on 25 November 2012 - 17:46, said:

Why should nerds dictate what people should buy? We are not the target audience.

We're much more important than you think. Very... very important.

[MorganX]

Luis Mazza, on 25 November 2012 - 18:47, said:

We're much more important than you think. Very... very important.

I would agree with that. Though the Malaria comment was out of bounds. You know how many people ask me to go to buy a PC with them. I refuse, unless it's a gorgeous woman

Consumers want a computer to do stuff, they don't want, nor need to understand the industry and the inner workings. They need "nerds" to tell them right now.

Right now my recommendation is stick with what you have till spring in hopes MS will clean up this mess and more apps will be available. If it's not fixed by end of winter, hey, go with your iTunes/IPad/iPhone/Android. Go with what works and is easy to use and improves your life experience. No one owns mega corporations anything. Especially if they can't deliver while skateboarding through the workplace.

[Luis Mazza]

MorganX, on 25 November 2012 - 19:03, said:

I would agree with that. Though the Malaria comment was out of bounds. You know how many people ask me to go to buy a PC with them. I refuse, unless it's a gorgeous woman

Consumers want a computer to do stuff, they don't want, nor need to understand the industry and the inner workings. They need "nerds" to tell them right now.

Right now my recommendation is stick with what you have till spring in hopes MS will clean up this mess and more apps will be available. If it's not fixed by end of winter, hey, go with your iTunes/IPad/iPhone/Android. Go with what works and is easy to use and improves your life experience. No one owns mega corporations anything. Especially if they can't deliver while skateboarding through the workplace.

Don't mind about the Malaria comment. But trying to be a superhero (the movie-type hero) is indeed possible to played by a multibillion rich guy like Bill. But that doesn't mean it is the right thing to do, you know. I have an opinion that if you want to help humanity you have to start changing people's minds first, give education and then help out the ones who deserve help because of a potential to improve and help other people the same way they were helped.

People should not only be helped because they're human. Being human doesn't make you good... only your actions do. There are plenty of human rights' abuse in societies that Bill is trying to help making them live more. It is being actually pretty much an interference with overall bad results.

Did you know that hell is full of people with good intentions?

[MorganX]

Luis Mazza, on 25 November 2012 - 19:29, said:

Did you know that hell is full of people with good intentions?

Yes, but mostly it's full of people with bad intentions. When you can't change the world, sometimes easing the pain and quality of life for as many as possible for as long as possible is good enough.

I have nothing but respect for what Bill and his wife are doing. I also respect that they are doing it openly.

Back on topic, the Lumia 920 is a hardware beast. Great Bluetooth sound and wired sound. Superfast screen and responsiveness. Shame Windows 8 software has let it down with regards to syncing with you personal media libraries. Windows Media Player does great with it though including video playlists though.

[Dot Matrix]

Luis Mazza, on 25 November 2012 - 18:47, said:

We're much more important than you think. Very... very important.

MorganX, on 25 November 2012 - 19:03, said:

I would agree with that. Though the Malaria comment was out of bounds. You know how many people ask me to go to buy a PC with them. I refuse, unless it's a gorgeous woman

Consumers want a computer to do stuff, they don't want, nor need to understand the industry and the inner workings. They need "nerds" to tell them right now.

Right now my recommendation is stick with what you have till spring in hopes MS will clean up this mess and more apps will be available. If it's not fixed by end of winter, hey, go with your iTunes/IPad/iPhone/Android. Go with what works and is easy to use and improves your life experience. No one owns mega corporations anything. Especially if they can't deliver while skateboarding through the workplace.

Jesus, if it was up to Neowin members, computing would still be in the "Dark Ages". Nothing would ever advance, because no one would change anything. Ever.

It's a good thing companies don't look to us. If the common user can't use it, it won't sell. Computers and technology shouldn't be limited like that. Take that sense of entitlement and stow it.

[Luis Mazza]

Dot Matrix, on 26 November 2012 - 00:53, said:

Jesus, if it was up to Neowin members, computing would still be in the "Dark Ages". It's a good thing companies don't look to us. If the common user can't use it, it won't sell. Computers and technology shouldn't be limited like that. Take that sense of entitlement and stow it.

Ok then. So let me put it this way: there are a lot of incompetent people there not to see so many failures. You're right. They should not listen to us: they should have a better intelligence and less internal politics.

I'm done.

[MorganX]

Dot Matrix, on 26 November 2012 - 00:53, said:

Jesus, if it was up to Neowin members, computing would still be in the "Dark Ages". Nothing would ever advance, because no one would change anything. Ever.

It's a good thing companies don't look to us. If the common user can't use it, it won't sell. Computers and technology shouldn't be limited like that. Take that sense of entitlement and stow it.

You quoted me but I'm not exactly sure what your argument is? That people who know better shouldn't accept or recommend unfinished products that don't work to a degree of being more frustrating that usable? When alternatives are available?

Or that some people don't like the direction Microsoft is going in? They are two different things.

I personally like Windows 8/RT but think it's criminal the state the whole Windows 8 ecosystem has been released in. And most general "Best Buy" type consumers don't know any better. I absolutely do not recommend general consumers upgrade. They will get Windows 8 with a new PC and I'm not sure I would go so far as to recommend a downgrade. But upgrade for what? A headache, let Microsoft actually fix the thing and all the core apps and services.

The State Windows 8 is in "right" now, I have no problem saying @$^$ Microsoft, because everyetime I can't click a link in a metro app and launch a browser, a metro app quits, or I try to do anything with Xbox music, or try to sync my Windows 8 Phone (Lumia 920) I feel like Microsoft said @#%$ me. Well no, @##% you (Microsoft)!

[+Perfect72]

At work so not much time to post.

I've had the phone about two weeks now. Fixed most of the issues I had with it.
Everyone who has seen or played with my phone, even strangers, look at it and say "Wow, that screen is amazing." And look at their iPhones or Galaxy and frown. Lol.

HD videos, pictures, and just browsing around on the phone, I am still amazed how beautiful it looks. The marketplace may be a bit thin, but I think the sheer speed and look of the phone make up for it. It truly is an amazing phone, aesthetically.

[Dashel]

Dot Matrix, on 25 November 2012 - 17:46, said:

Why should nerds dictate what people should buy? We are not the target audience.

As opposed to the dorks that work in the stores that clearly steer people towards their preference (and spiff)? Then again, dorks apparently are the target audience for these childish devices anyway.

[Dot Matrix]

Dashel, on 27 November 2012 - 22:54, said:

As opposed to the dorks that work in the stores that clearly steer people towards their preference (and spiff)? Then again, dorks apparently are the target audience for these childish devices anyway.

Childish devices?

[Javik]

Dot Matrix, on 26 November 2012 - 00:53, said:

Jesus, if it was up to Neowin members, computing would still be in the "Dark Ages". Nothing would ever advance, because no one would change anything. Ever.

It's a good thing companies don't look to us. If the common user can't use it, it won't sell. Computers and technology shouldn't be limited like that. Take that sense of entitlement and stow it.

The arrogant assumption that all progress is for the better can lead people into some very dark corners, the lessons learned from the destruction of the Titanic are still not being learned 100 years on it seems. Decent software developers don't work on a basis of "This is what we're doing, now shut the hell up" they learn from their mistakes and listen to their customers. It's not just us geeks that can't fathom Windows 8, I volunteer at a place that refurbishes computers and provides basic skills courses to members of the public, and the reactions to Windows 8 amongst both the techies and members of the public has ranged from "What the hell is this", to "Confusing" to "ugly" to "I hate it". I haven't had a single person say something good about the direction taken with Windows 8 and I've been working there since before it RTM'd.

Same goes with Windows Phone, I know 3 people out of a big network of friends that own them.

[+Perfect72]

Javik, on 28 November 2012 - 01:01, said:

The arrogant assumption that all progress is for the better can lead people into some very dark corners, the lessons learned from the destruction of the Titanic are still not being learned 100 years on it seems. Decent software developers don't work on a basis of "This is what we're doing, now shut the hell up" they learn from their mistakes and listen to their customers. It's not just us geeks that can't fathom Windows 8, I volunteer at a place that refurbishes computers and provides basic skills courses to members of the public, and the reactions to Windows 8 amongst both the techies and members of the public has ranged from "What the hell is this", to "Confusing" to "ugly" to "I hate it". I haven't had a single person say something good about the direction taken with Windows 8 and I've been working there since before it RTM'd.

Same goes with Windows Phone, I know 3 people out of a big network of friends that own them.

I can't really say much about Windows 8 because I dislike it and went back to Windows 7.

But when it comes to Windows Phone 8, and the Lumia 920, I can say without a doubt it is the best phone I have ever owned. Metro really works well on a phone, not a desktop. I still own my Galaxy phone, simply for the vast marketplace, and it is still a great platform. Nothing wrong with it at all... But when WP8 marketplace is caught up, I will have no need for the Galaxy.

iPhone isn't even in this conversation because they can't even hold water to a Galaxy III, and definitely can't touch the Lumia 920 or WP8.

That said, those three people in your big network of friends, are probably the smartest of them all. Or at least, the happiest with their choice.

[cope]

I love my HTC 8X, only app I am missing is Spotify, but thankfully there are other options. Other than that the apps I use and need are all there :-)