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Windows 8 SP1: What We Hope To See

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Tweaks We Expect (And Hope) To See From Windows 8 Service Pack 1

Alright, haters. Judging by many of the comments left on this week?s ?Week of Windows 8? posts, a number of you aren?t huge fans of Windows 8. In fact, some of you hate it so much, the very mention of the words ?Windows? and ?eight? in the same sentence ? unless it?s a story about ?Eight ways to not install Windows 8? or something like that ? sets you into a frenzy.

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Before you fire up your comment box and give us an earful about yet another story about that ?horrible? operating system, let?s talk productive for a moment. Specifically, what can Microsoft do to enrich the operating system?s experience enough so that you?re no longer tempted to throw a brick through the company?s Windows.

When is Windows 8 SP1 coming out? If it follows the timelines set by previous iterations of the operating system, we're expecting sometime in 2014. What might Microsoft include/need to include in order to make Windows 8 a satisfying experience for early adopters and uncommitted upgraders alike?

One caveat, before we get into it: Given that Windows 8 just launched, it?s way too premature to make significant predictions about speed improvements and the lot that Microsoft might bake into a major update to the OS. These kinds of things will iron themselves out over time, and it would be a waste of space for us to just pontificate that ?Windows 8 SP1 will totally be faster and such.? And yes, we know that SP1 will contain driver updates and increased compatibility geared toward OEMs. No-brainer there.

Instead, we?re going to concentrate on some of the core improvements that Microsoft could ? and should ? make to improve the Windows 8 experience and maybe, just maybe, get one or two of you to convert over to the ?dark side.? Spoiler: It?s time to fix Metro.

User Interface

Let?s face it. The Windows 8 user interface is a complete disaster. I realize that some of you ? my tech-savvy colleagues, included ? are perfectly willing to write off Microsoft? inclusion of Metro/the ?Modern UI?/the ?new Windows user interface?/whatever the heck Microsoft?s calling it nowadays. I respect that opinion as a tech-savvy individual myself. But even though Metro is just a big, out of control search tool that you can theoretically ignore if you just want that classic Windows 7 look and feel, it?s just not good enough.

It?s not good enough because average people ? and don?t take my word for it, consider the surveys ? are being overly confused by Microsoft?s decision to slap a tablet (or smartphone) OS onto Windows 8 for desktops and laptops. So much so, that they

on their desktops.

The solution? Microsoft needs to refine the user interface, period. And this can take a number of forms. The most obvious solution is treating Metro the way it was meant to be designed: as a supplement to the ?core? Windows 7 operating system rather than a botched attempt at a primary UI. Let users boot into the desktop if they want. Give them their Start button back. Give them the option of restricting Metro?s interface to Metro apps only, which also solves the irritating issue of installed apps filling Windows 8?s new user interface full of crappy tiles.

I don?t really have any good suggestions for dealing with the ?bars? found in Windows 8, nor do I think Microsoft would be all that willing to abandon its Charms. It?s unfortunate that Windows 8 comes with two disparate settings menus ? at the very least, a link from PC Settings to the Control Panel, and vice versa, would be a pleasant touch. As for Share, well, that?s still fussy depending on the kind of content you?re actually trying to show off to others. Caveat emptor.

Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This (App) Wall

Why Metro doesn?t talk to Windows 8?s Desktop Mode, and why Windows 8?s Desktop Mode doesn?t talk to Metro, we?ll never know. Or, rather, we?ll never know the reason why Microsoft didn?t do everything in its power to break down the wall between the two halves of Windows 8 ? for apps, that is.

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Windows 8 currently makes you run two browsers (one for the normal desktop and the other for Metro).

Here?s the confusing bit. If you go to load Internet Explorer, the Metro app, it doesn?t match up with the desktop-based version of Internet Explorer in the slightest. The same holds true for Google?s Chrome, or just about any other app that happens to have both Metro and Desktop versions on Windows 8. What you end up getting are two completely different experiences within ? arguably ? identical applications: Your tabs in one don?t match your tabs in the other, among other synchronization problems.

Whether this is a Windows issue or a development issue, Microsoft needs to make it easier for apps found on the two parts of its operating system to get along. And while we?re at it, let?s get a fix for the ?Can?t load Metro-based browser unless it?s set to be your default browser? issue. I?m not a huge Internet Explorer fan, but there?s absolutely no way I?m going to even be able to use Internet Explorer in Metro the minute I set another browser as my default. In some cases, maybe I?d like to ? or need to ? use IE. Why send me off to the desktop if you don?t need to, Microsoft?

Improved Metro Apps

I realize that Microsoft has the capacity to upgrade Windows Store apps as it sees fit, so there?s really no compelling reason to wait until the release of Windows 8 SP1 to do so. Even though we did point out the best Windows 8 apps out there, it sure does feel as if users are beta testing the most basic functionally Microsoft can see fit to release right about now.

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Let's get more and better apps on there!

Let?s run through the quick laundry list. Mail app? A joke. Calendar? Doesn?t even integrate with the Mail app ? a peanut butter and jelly combination here one tastes a little bit awkward on its own but, together, make for a compelling meal. People? A complete nightmare of a contact list for anyone realistically looking to make edits on a semi-mass scale to the imported personas. Store? Make this app a live tile! Have it tell users when they need to jump in and upgrade their apps! SkyDrive? Kind of a pain in the butt to operate, at least compared to the ease that is the conventional Windows File Explorer. Messaging? Where are all the other supported services, let alone any of the other features one could find in a simple messaging app like, say, Trillian?

The list goes on. Microsoft needs to kick some spice into its Metro apps which, right now, make Web apps even look preferable to what Windows 8 has to offer. Take the apps off newbie mode, Microsoft: Give us some advanced functionality in SP1.

Increased Customization

Metro, by default, restricts your ability to add, change, or modify just about anything within the UI ? save the pretty background picture and the colors (see our Windows 8 tips guide). Why not open that up? Microsoft could be doing users a great service by giving them additional options to configure Metro?s column-and-row UI as they see fit.

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This could include, but isn?t limited to: Changing the raw shape of Metro?s tiles themselves (maybe you?re a circle kind of a person); building in an easy means for developers to create live tiles or beautiful icons to use as their tiles and reducing the disparity between Windows Store Apps? prettier tiles and the uglier tiles of Desktop apps you install outside of the Store; giving users the ability to define the size and shape of columns as they see fit; giving users scrollable columns (Stardock's Fences, anyone?).

And, the biggie: Giving users some kind of method for selecting which of an installed app?s shortcuts they actually want Windows to make into tiles instead of defaulting to ?everything.? Even better, it would be great to have some kind of automated means for dumping certain tiles into previously established Metro columns instead of just some huge, default chunk. Perhaps Windows there could be some way to flag a program as a ?game? as a part of its installation routine, which would then allow Windows 8 to dump the program?s official tile into a ?Games? column that a user has already set up ? something like that.

There?s really no reason why Windows 8 users should have to turn to registry hacks or the freeware world just to be able to increase their control over their Metro experience. Let users experience Metro how they prefer to do so, not how Microsoft prefers them to do so.

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Gotta love the insulting tone :rolleyes:

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I really don't see anything new being added, just security updates. This notion that Microsoft has to change or add things with a service pack is rare. Only time I can recall is Windows XP SP2.

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There will be no SP for Windows 8.

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Microsoft is doing away with Service Packs, and even if there is one it will just be an update rollup. Good thing too because Windows 8 is fine as it is.

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Windows 8 is taking a stab at Android and iOS and sees to the reason why these two have become so popular in such a relatively short time, out of nothing. The answer for that would be - simplicity. Do these two platforms allow for much individualization? No, they don't. No, Android doesn't, even though it's arguably the best for it, if you want to try. Or pretend to be doing so, at least.

As such Windows 8 doesn't even attempt at being more tinker-friendly. And it doesn't need to. Exactly the opposite - it wants to be as streamlined (yes, that meaning of streamlined) as possible. It is the new meaning of user-friendly.

And seeing the developments lately, I'm inclined that it will very much succeed in doing so.

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I thought there weren't going to be anymore service packs? Just incremental upgrades since everything is an app. Anyway, better apps are coming. It's a new architecture. Developers still haven't mastered 64-bit programming for goodness sake. The dearth of high quality apps is definitely the biggest absence but they will come.

The only glaring omission IMO is a media management app that makes device and playlist management as easy and intuitive as iTunes. XBOX Music just doesn't cut the mustard. It's clumsy and forget about playlist management. A desktop mode, like XP mode for Windows 7 would be nice. To run desktop apps transparently without launching the full desktop, just the app.

Edit: Just have to take every opportunity to say the Surface is just marvelous. Once you have one, you understand why MS had to add Metro for Tablets, and you can begin to appreciate how difficult it must have been while maintaining backwards compatibility without compromising the tablet experience. It'll only get better. But what a great piece of hardware and software engineering. Windows itself with it's compatibility across a multitude of hardware is in and of itself one of the greatest engineering feats of the century IMO.

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Gotta love the insulting tone :rolleyes:

Funny how people who don't like what they read consider it insulting. :rolleyes:

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stupid topic, the 8 just came out...

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stupid topic, the 8 just came out...

No, it didn't. The world has experienced Windows 8 in its current state (save little tidbits of exact functionality) for about a year.

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As a Windows 8, desktop user, I must say that the interface is no longer intuative and I does take a lot more mouse movement which isnt great for my RSI.

Im liking 8 but if the Explorer features and other new options had been added to a Win 7 interace then I would be loving it.

I think thats the thing with Win 8, you dont hate it, but you dont love it, and MS could have changed that - its just a bit of a shame.

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stupid topic, the 8 just came out...

Complaining about lack of apps at this point is not justified, but otherwise, millions have been using 8 for a while now, RT is out, and MS is already working on fixes, patches, updates, and Windows 9. So in general it's not stupid IMO.

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What we get from the Win XP, Vista or Win 7 servicepacks? A lot... but big changes in the GUI or functionality?

Maybe Win 9, but not in a SP (if we ever get one for Win 8)

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There will be no SP for Windows 8.

This was pretty much already confirmed...

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All I want is Window 7 SP2!!!

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Stopped reading at "bring back the start button". How did I know that'd be in there?

As has probably been said many times before...Windows 8 already has a start button, 2 actually.

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Stopped reading at "bring back the start button". How did I know that'd be in there?

As has probably been said many times before...Windows 8 already has a start button, 2 actually.

Actually..... yes, it does :p

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I'm really happy with Windows 8, but my main complaint, and what I really want to see in an update (which will probably not be in 2014 BTW, there will probably be a major update next year) is much better multi-monitor support. Assuming I have the RAM to run them, I should have no restrictions on running Metro apps on both screens, including snapped apps.

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The real start menu please, and alow me to use modern UI (metro)if I want to, when I want to. Simple let me hold down windows key for 5 seconds to use modern interface. Yes I don't own a touch screen monitor.

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The real start menu please, and alow me to use modern UI (metro)if I want to, when I want to. Simple let me hold down windows key for 5 seconds to use modern interface. Yes I don't own a touch screen monitor.

I don't own one either, and yet somehow I have a real start menu.

I press the WinKey or go to the bottom left and click. This opens my personalized screen. From there I just go to 'all apps' and there is the full start menu with everything present.

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what a load of garbage

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Why do I get the feeling that the author clearly knows Microsoft will do none of these?

Maybe it's the suggestion that Microsoft reverse explicit design decisions...

Microsoft took a risk with Windows 8. They laid down the challenge: "Try it. If you don't like it, you don't buy it." They aren't going to 'fix' anything in a service pack (except bugs). They are going to lose sales, but they are fully committed to this Metro idea and aware of what it means.

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I agree completely with the article, my biggest problem with windows 8 is that it's a solid evidence for how "modern UI" and computing is going in the direction of dumbing down everything for the sake of making it simple. A good UI, IMO, is the one that achieves the balance between having too much options (like most of linux DEs) and providing too basic options and restricting customization. (like Metro/Modern UI).

Compared to mobile interfaces Windows 8 has pretty good amount of options (on the "Modern UI" side) but on a desktop it's absolutely pathetic; you can't use custom titles backgrounds without hacks for example. Imagine having to use an external application and various hacks to edit a shortcut icon. That's how limiting windows 8 interface is, and if this is the future, then the future of computing is quite bleak.

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I find it really annoying when Neowin members insult each others opinions and feedback. Knocking somebody's views doesn't change anything, it just stops them posting, which in the end creates a forum where people don't bother any more.

If you think somebody is misguided then why not point them in the right direction, give them a bit of your wisdom - don't just insult or try to make them look stupid, you only end up making yourself look ignorant or having a set agenda.

I hope MS takes the feedback from Win 8 and continues to add to it in order to make it better than the copetition.

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