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[COKid]

HawkMan, on 24 December 2012 - 16:53, said:

Win8 is a whole different story and far more efficient and productive to use than 7 thanks to Metro.

"far more efficient and productive"? That depends on the user and the tasks at hand. I boot directly into the desktop, as I have no need for a tablet interface on a laptop. I'm as big of a fan of Microsoft as anyone, but the way they did Windows 8 is just so discombobulated. They should have never gone the hybrid route, imho. But whatever, my $.02. I'll stick with it. This will be my last laptop anyway.

[billyea]

So in summary of this topic: "Windows 9 in development, almost exactly like Windows 8"
...yay?

[LUTZIFER]

To people saying they shouldn't bring the start button back...
At first I thought it was dumb that MS got rid of it, then looking at screenshots, I thought it looked stupid not being there.
After trying Win 8, it's absolutely retarded that it's gone, seeing is that to bring up the Start Panel, you move the mouse cursor down to the lower left corner, then a little box pops up and you click on it to go to Start Panel. Now how much sense does that make?!? Would have been faster to just have the Start Button there and click it to still bring up that Start Panel.
I think people that do like Win 8 like the Start Panel, and I ain't saying it's bad, but what does removing the actual Start Button have to do with it, when you gotta click down there anyways? Think about it. Der.

[Intrinsica]

billyea, on 24 December 2012 - 20:33, said:

So in summary of this topic: "Windows 9 in development, almost exactly like Windows 8"
...yay?

That pretty much sums it up.

LUTZIFER, on 24 December 2012 - 21:08, said:

To people saying they shouldn't bring the start button back...
At first I thought it was dumb that MS got rid of it, then looking at screenshots, I thought it looked stupid not being there.
After trying Win 8, it's absolutely retarded that it's gone, seeing is that to bring up the Start Panel, you move the mouse cursor down to the lower left corner, then a little box pops up and you click on it to go to Start Panel. Now how much sense does that make?!? Would have been faster to just have the Start Button there and click it to still bring up that Start Panel.
I think people that do like Win 8 like the Start Panel, and I ain't saying it's bad, but what does removing the actual Start Button have to do with it, when you gotta click down there anyways? Think about it. Der.

The start screen doesn't make any sense for me, I don't need a tablet interface on my computer. But as I said earlier, I think Microsoft should stick to their original plan, given the number of start menu replacements out there for me to use.

[Colin McGregor]

Javik, on 24 December 2012 - 16:42, said:

Demanding that they don't put back a feature that a lot of people clearly want judging by the sales of start menu replacements just to satisfy you, who is the clueless one here?

for sure. the couple thousand at most third party start menus == 40+ million windows 8 activations. How dumb of me

[HawkMan]

Euphoria, on 24 December 2012 - 17:06, said:

We are skipping Win 8 upgrade for the simple reason of inefficiency and loss of productivity.

How are you losing efficiency and productivity ? when the start screen opens just as fast if not faster, offers faster locate and click, allows MORE organized pinned favorite apps than the largest disorganized list of pinned start menu apps on 7. allows you to organize the pinned apps as you see fit, increasing organization and efficiency.

In no way does 8 reduce efficiency and certainly not productivity. for the majority of users it will increase efficiency.

For pretty much EVERYONE it will have little practical effect as most people at work have 1 - 3 apps open depending on the job they do. So the launcher being better has absolutely NO practical effect on their efficiency or productivity at all.

LUTZIFER, on 24 December 2012 - 21:08, said:

To people saying they shouldn't bring the start button back...
At first I thought it was dumb that MS got rid of it, then looking at screenshots, I thought it looked stupid not being there.
After trying Win 8, it's absolutely retarded that it's gone, seeing is that to bring up the Start Panel, you move the mouse cursor down to the lower left corner, then a little box pops up and you click on it to go to Start Panel. Now how much sense does that make?!? Would have been faster to just have the Start Button there and click it to still bring up that Start Panel.
I think people that do like Win 8 like the Start Panel, and I ain't saying it's bad, but what does removing the actual Start Button have to do with it, when you gotta click down there anyways? Think about it. Der.

Actually the removal of the start button makes perfect sense if you look past the desktop.

for the desktop, it's still there in the corner. and because of the metro apps, the pop out button needs to be there since you need a way to call the start button when in full screen metro apps. this allows you to have full screen apps and quick access to start without the taskbar taking up a significant part of the bottom of your screen and disrupting the metro experience.

So if they had kept the button, you would have had to buttons on top of each other. and as I said, it's not gone anyway, just hidden.

Intrinsica, on 24 December 2012 - 21:14, said:

The start screen doesn't make any sense for me, I don't need a tablet interface on my computer. But as I said earlier, I think Microsoft should stick to their original plan, given the number of start menu replacements out there for me to use.

But it's not a tablet interface, and in fact it works in general better with a mouse and keyboard anyway.

[Stoffel]

seta-san, on 24 December 2012 - 18:21, said:

I hope they are good PCs. You probably just bought something that will have to last until they stop supporting it.

Microsoft needs to choose. Metro or desktop. Having those two paradigms at the same time doesn't work. and honestly it sucks when you have to fight against interface mechanisms intended for a touch screen when you only have a mouse or trackpad

I've been using Win8 for almost a year now without any form of touch and I really have no issues moving around.

[PGHammer]

Guth, on 24 December 2012 - 11:20, said:

Google translate does a decent job for anyone who wants to read it.
I read it, could it be true? I mean they would really have a windows 9 started already!? win8 is just out.

Someone said in a later post "He is a Microsoft official. . ." Regarding to the OP I think

Of course. How soon after Windows 7 went RTM did Windows 8/Windows Server 2012 development kick off?

Also, Windows 9 will likely be a *tick* (to Windows 8's *tock*) - just as 7 was a *tick* to Vista's *tock*.

[Kyang]

MorganX, on 24 December 2012 - 18:57, said:

It does, on the start menu. You can view it as a menu or link. Not the end of the world but for people who used the Start menu this way, they will find some of Windows 8 less efficient.

That's right. I thought he meant a button on the taskbar.

LUTZIFER, on 24 December 2012 - 21:08, said:

To people saying they shouldn't bring the start button back...
At first I thought it was dumb that MS got rid of it, then looking at screenshots, I thought it looked stupid not being there.
After trying Win 8, it's absolutely retarded that it's gone, seeing is that to bring up the Start Panel, you move the mouse cursor down to the lower left corner, then a little box pops up and you click on it to go to Start Panel. Now how much sense does that make?!? Would have been faster to just have the Start Button there and click it to still bring up that Start Panel.
I think people that do like Win 8 like the Start Panel, and I ain't saying it's bad, but what does removing the actual Start Button have to do with it, when you gotta click down there anyways? Think about it. Der.

The start screen preview window isn't supposed to be clicked. The user actually uses the thing in the same way as start button: Move the mouse to the bottom left corner, and click. The image itself isn't really supposed to be a click target, evidenced by how the preview disappears the moment the mouse moves more than a few pixels away from the corner.

Actually I wasn't aware anyone actually regularly put in the effort to stop on the actual image of the button, and then clicked that. I always relied on the corner itself. That's a lot easier.

As for removing the button, I guess it gives more room for one more pinned icon...?

[xendrome]

Javik, on 24 December 2012 - 16:42, said:

Demanding that they don't put back a feature that a lot of people clearly want judging by the sales of start menu replacements just to satisfy you, who is the clueless one here?

Start Button is still there, move mouse to bottom left corner, left click.. same as it always was.

[HawkMan]

PGHammer, on 24 December 2012 - 22:47, said:

Of course. How soon after Windows 7 went RTM did Windows 8/Windows Server 2012 development kick off?

Also, Windows 9 will likely be a *tick* (to Windows 8's *tock*) - just as 7 was a *tick* to Vista's *tock*.

Windows 8 was in developement quote some time before Win7 was finished in fact.

[seta-san]

xendrome, on 24 December 2012 - 23:00, said:

Start Button is still there, move mouse to bottom left corner, left click.. same as it always was.

not really. it's been replaced with a hot corner.. a purely 'touch' concept..
and also you're missing the fact that it's not the button that we're missing. It's the damn menu that goes with it. It's the fact that the start screen takes up your whole desktop.

[HawkMan]

seta-san, on 24 December 2012 - 23:23, said:

not really. it's been replaced with a hot corner.. a purely 'touch' concept..
and also you're missing the fact that it's not the button that we're missing. It's the damn menu that goes with it. It's the fact that the start screen takes up your whole desktop.

u

mm actually, the hot corner is PURELY a mouse concept. the hot corner doesn't work at all with touch, only the side bar slide ins work on touch.

and OMG, a faster, more organized more efficient launcher that you see a handful of times a day takes up your whole screen

[Lord Method Man]

Fast damage control in response to Windows 8's market failure.

[HawkMan]

damage control ?
failure ?