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[Reacon]

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But good point.

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Yes, indeed.

[PHiZZy]

Gun control is successfully enforced in plenty of countries all over the world. Where tragedies like.... see huge list here (and that's just the States) happen far far less. #justsayin

[jakem1]

Reacon, on 24 January 2013 - 05:04, said:

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You're right. That does seem to be the overly simplistic argument you see put forward by gun nuts,

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[Glassed Silver]

Gun control != no guns to civil people...

I live in Germany and it's quite easy to get a gun here legally if you a) are not totally nuts and b) care about storing your weapon in a responsible way.

Glassed Silver:mac

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That pic only applies to countries where people have been free to own / carry guns for a long long time

[shockz]

um, last I checked the gun control legislation Obama is pushing for doesn't take away the guns in those pics.

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shockz, on 26 January 2013 - 20:30, said:

um, last I checked the gun control legislation Obama is pushing for doesn't take away the guns in those pics.

Not yet. He will get around to full gun control. I agree that all Assault Weapons should be banned, but there are thousands out there already.

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Gary7, on 26 January 2013 - 20:36, said:

Not yet. He will get around to full gun control. I agree that all Assault Weapons should be banned, but there are thousands out there already.

ya, perfect reason to not even try to do anything about it.... /s

[rafter109]

jakem1, on 26 January 2013 - 20:05, said:

You're right. That does seem to be the overly simplistic argument you see put forward by gun nuts,

You may call it overly simplistic but when the 10-year Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act was passed in '94 the picture in the OP accurately describes what happened (with assault weapons anyway). Criminals do not care what the law says. They will always find what they want if they have enough cash. Furthermore, some of the most horrific shootings involving assault weapons occurred while the ban was in effect.
This isn't about guns. It was never about guns. Liberal politicians are trying to desensitize the masses to an erosion of rights and liberties. Our president and his cronies are a bunch of radical communist nut-jobs. They seek to form a class of elites to control all of the resources and all of the people. Obama's current economic policy should be proof enough for that as he has made calculated moves to keep businesses off kilter as to keep unemployment high which increases dependence on the government. The trouble is few people understand what the REAL American Dream is - Obtaining a state of near total self reliance with limited government intervention. These are sad times in America and it will get worse before people wake up and hold their elected officials accountable.

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Gary7, on 26 January 2013 - 20:36, said:

Not yet. He will get around to full gun control. I agree that all Assault Weapons should be banned, but there are thousands out there already.

Occasionally in the UK we have a period of time where the police stations allow anyone to walk in and hand over their weapons and walk out without a charge, I've forgotten the name but basically means you are exempt from what would normally happen if you did that and won't be in any trouble for having owned it in the past (Unless I guess if you had used it on someone and they found out)

EDIT - Weapons Amnesty

Report on one of those months
http://www.dailymail...00-weapons.html

[Glassed Silver]

I think the root problem of gun violence is not the gun, but the problems and issues the person at the trigger has.

Give a happy man a gun, he won't use it.
Give a troubled, abused, misunderstood man a gun, maybe he will use it.

(by use I mean ABuse)

Gun control is no solution, but it can help the amount of corpses as outcome of tragic events.
The easier an assault rifle is available, the more deaths there will be in shootings.

Sure, a dedicated criminal will be able to get them regardless, but isn't it funny to see that most of them in more controlled countries don't seem to be so desperate to get the heavy stuff and pick the "lighter" options?

Sure, the assault rifles are already out there, and that adds a problem for the dimension of future availability.
This spices things up a lot of course and I won't pretend to know the best way out for the US, but continuing without realizing there is a MASSIVE problem in the US surely won't help anyone, even those who are responsible gun owners that get all my support for their sport, hobby and means of defense.
It should however be in their interest to resolve this in some way, too. I'm not saying big government and bans are the way, maybe they really aren't, but instead we should look at what makes people trigger guns.

It's worries, troubled lives, traumata, harassment, ...
We should strive for a more social civilization that looks after each other, is less greedy and in less need of bans.
We should strive to teach our children (peacefully) again how important kindness and empathy - even for "enemies" - actually is.

I think the real problem is what triggers the aggressions.

Do guns kill people? Sure do, but they only boost the "effectivity" of the drama bound to happen.
Do people kill people? Some of them, yes.
Does society form murders, unknowingly, unintentionally and in tragic ways? Yes.

Glassed Silver:ios

[jakem1]

rafter109, on 26 January 2013 - 20:45, said:

You may call it overly simplistic but when the 10-year Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act was passed in '94 the picture in the OP accurately describes what happened (with assault weapons anyway). Criminals do not care what the law says. They will always find what they want if they have enough cash. Furthermore, some of the most horrific shootings involving assault weapons occurred while the ban was in effect.
This isn't about guns. It was never about guns. Liberal politicians are trying to desensitize the masses to an erosion of rights and liberties. Our president and his cronies are a bunch of radical communist nut-jobs. They seek to form a class of elites to control all of the resources and all of the people. Obama's current economic policy should be proof enough for that as he has made calculated moves to keep businesses off kilter as to keep unemployment high which increases dependence on the government. The trouble is few people understand what the REAL American Dream is - Obtaining a state of near total self reliance with limited government intervention. These are sad times in America and it will get worse before people wake up and hold their elected officials accountable.

What a load of nonsense but thanks for proving my point.