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William Shatner questions Reddit's permissive culture, suggests 'downvoting' won't deter hate

Some celebrities leave Reddit shortly after they collect easy publicity, but Star Trek'sWilliam Shatner isn't afraid to stick around and ruffle some feathers. An active user on the site since his first "Ask Me Anything" session in January, Shatner has issued some stern comments about the site's tolerance of hateful or racist users, writing that he is "appalled by some of the immature, horrifically racist, sexist, homophobic, ethnic, etc... posts that are just ignored here." Shatner questions Reddit's hands-off approach, writing that "the fact that someone could come here, debase and degrade people based on race, religion, ethnicity or sexual preference because 'they have a right' to do so without worry of any kind of moderation is sending the wrong message."

That attitude may seem to fly in the face of free speech

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Harsh but true

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I'm part of a site with little in terms of rules, yeah some prats join but the majority of people on it are fine and keep it fine as is.

Out of all the hateful comments on sites, only a handful are genuine twits, the rest are all trolls or people looking for a reaction.

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I completely understand where he's coming from and

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people who are offended by the opinions of others should go and live in a cave, they won't be offended by anyone then.

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There is a line and Reddit has crossed it, I am using the site less and less now as people seem to be posting disgusting pictures in the comments, such as decapitated pigs, children with diseases that has open sores, pics of near decapitations with chainsaws.

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There is a line and Reddit has crossed it, I am using the site less and less now as people seem to be posting disgusting pictures in the comments, such as decapitated pigs, children with diseases that has open sores, pics of near decapitations with chainsaws.

Dude what subs are you a part of, /r/gore? I don't see any of that.

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You Can't Please Everyone TM

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Dude what subs are you a part of, /r/gore? I don't see any of that.

Hell no, I am very squeemish I ventured into spaced***s out of curiosity and promptly lost the contents of my stomach.

People are posting pictures in the comments of front page articles, they seem to deal with it relatively quickly but there should be no chance of people posting things like that especially subreddits dedicated to such pics.

It wasn't so long ago they had borderline childporn subreddits (not that I looked of course, it was in the news) and they were forced to remove them.

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You Can't Please Everyone TM

It's a shame that people will still accuse sites like mine for being overly unfriendly when I know for a fact that a large percentage of it never gets seen by our active readership due to the awesome moderating team that we have. We try to make this a nice place to read through, but as Shatner points out, online anonymity makes it easy for people to act like ######, when they probably wouldn't dare it in a real life social setting. And if they dared it, then they aren't the types you want around you anyway.

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I completely understand where he's coming from and

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There is a huge difference between someone posting someone elses personal information and someone taking "personal" offense to what is said. Posting personal information violates a person's right to privacy, that has nothing to do with free speech. Let's also not forget the FACT that "free speech" is a Right of protection from gov action, not private, to which Reddit is a part of.

This isn't about taking personal offence to comments - we're talking about extreme racism, sexism, bigotry, hate speech, invasion of privacy and threats. Many countries have laws against that sort of behaviour, whether it's defined as hate speech or covered under harassment or assault legislation. It's interesting that you believe people have an inalienable right to privacy but that everything else is fair game.

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head to a specific subreddit, problem solved. the type of subreddit will dictate the type of lurker and user - aka, I hang out alot in the linux/webupd8/LAS/dota/purge/ subreddit, and the level of conversations are mature and insightful, no one is rude or a fanboy, people talk about what got shared, period. Reddit is a simple case of pick ya poison, don't have over realistic expectations all subreddit, some just attract the weirder and ruder people than most

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head to a specific subreddit, problem solved. the type of subreddit will dictate the type of lurker and user - aka, I hang out alot in the linux/webupd8/LAS/dota/purge/ subreddit, and the level of conversations are mature and insightful, no one is rude or a fanboy, people talk about what got shared, period. Reddit is a simple case of pick ya poison, don't have over realistic expectations all subreddit, some just attract the weirder and ruder people than most

It's basically this.

Each subreddit is a clique, you hang out with certain cliques because they suit your fancy, Now each clique is self moderated because the site is basically way too big to moderate at a decent pace.

So what you get is mods who don't care if you act like a bigot. Now whether you like it or not, if you don't want to see such things, don't hang out with bigots. or if you do want to, Don't be offended by the rambling of a bunch of losers anyways.

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This isn't about taking personal offence to comments - we're talking about extreme racism, sexism, bigotry, hate speech, invasion of privacy and threats. Many countries have laws against that sort of behaviour, whether it's defined as hate speech or covered under harassment or assault legislation. It's interesting that you believe people have an inalienable right to privacy but that everything else is fair game.

Those extreme comments are meant to offend, so yes we are talking about personal offense. Being offended is a personal issue and those comments ONLY have power when it's taken offensively. Ignoring people who make offensive statements is the most productive way to counter such people. Yes some countries have laws against such ways but we're talking about an Internet site, a vastly different aspect. And yes I do believe someone's privacy trumps being personally offended. You don't have a Right to NOT be offended.

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head to a specific subreddit, problem solved. the type of subreddit will dictate the type of lurker and user - aka, I hang out alot in the linux/webupd8/LAS/dota/purge/ subreddit, and the level of conversations are mature and insightful, no one is rude or a fanboy, people talk about what got shared, period. Reddit is a simple case of pick ya poison, don't have over realistic expectations all subreddit, some just attract the weirder and ruder people than most

The best one on reddit has to be

http://www.reddit.com/r/MURICA/

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There is a line and Reddit has crossed it, I am using the site less and less now as people seem to be posting disgusting pictures in the comments, such as decapitated pigs, children with diseases that has open sores, pics of near decapitations with chainsaws.

Reddit enhancement, block that stuff. Problem solved.

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What make's reddit so popular is a) anonymity b) almost no rules (varies on subreddit). c) mob rule

This means there's a lot of useless junk, however there are amazing gems of great stuff, personal life experience, informative useful information.

The FrontPage shows a mix of hot topics across multiple subreddits, so when a person links from a web page, what most people don't realize there not one culture of reddit, subreddit's can have very different culture's and it's own rules different from each other.

Example, just compare /Askscience vs /Aww (cute animal pics) vs /Gonewild (Adults Only).

Any of the political and religious based subreddit's are walking in to a lions den.

One of my personal subreddit communites is /Abaondedpron which has zero porn, it's just urban exploration / abandoned buildings pics.

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Those extreme comments are meant to offend, so yes we are talking about personal offense. Being offended is a personal issue and those comments ONLY have power when it's taken offensively. Ignoring people who make offensive statements is the most productive way to counter such people. Yes some countries have laws against such ways but we're talking about an Internet site, a vastly different aspect. And yes I do believe someone's privacy trumps being personally offended. You don't have a Right to NOT be offended.

Harassment, intimidation, incitement and assault (non-physical) are not the result of people simply being "offended" and you very well know that.

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Here's the bottom line. Sites like reddit provide a place where you can be 'yourself'.

When you have your real name on something, you act 'correct', and as society tells us, you have to accept EVERYTHING to be 'correct', therefore, in most social circles, people act this way to not ruffle feathers.

In private on reddit for example, people care free to be themselves deep down, which is racist, homophobic, super religious or super atheist, etc.

Why does this shock anyone? People are inherently evil, and when there is no spotlight on them as a real person, they do what they want.

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Harassment, intimidation, incitement and assault (non-physical) are not the result of people simply being "offended" and you very well know that.

That depends entirely on each situation. An anonymous post on the net of someone saying racial or intentionally insultive words isn't the same as a personal letter or directed post to you threatening your life.

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That depends entirely on each situation. An anonymous post on the net of someone saying racial or intentionally insultive words isn't the same as a personal letter or directed post to you threatening your life.

Nor did I claim it was.

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One of my personal subreddit communites is /Abaondedpron which has zero porn, it's just urban exploration / abandoned buildings pics.

LEGEND! Just bookmarked that!

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Disagree on all counts, maybe Neowin would be more to his liking?

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There is a reason I don't even bother to view comments left on Reddit. I look at the posted material, but not comments. I used to read the comments, but it's quite easily seen that most people are just jackasses and it's a waste of time.

The only time I do read comments, are on gaming posting where I'm trying to get more information about something. But I couldn't care less about what people think about 99% of any articles, videos, or images posted.

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