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#31 1941

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:25

Although with the Costa Concordia and the more recent accident ships are in the news again, these days cruise ships are incredibly safe. The most unsafe vessels are car ferries and even in those cases safety is improving.


http://www.foxnews.c...four-days-with/

http://www.rawstory....arnival-admits/

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

Incredibly safe if you can put up with feces and raw sewage all over the place and the odor. :s


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:28

Yes that's one accident on one ship. If I told you that one shooting with one gun meant all guns everywhere should be banned I'm sure you'd probably bite my head off. Statistically ships are no more unsafe than any other form of transport.

Also: The original Titanic was not an American ship, and the guy creating the Titanic II is not an American either. It strikes me as being odd that so many Americans are up in arms about the labour being outsourced to China.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:29

http://www.foxnews.c...four-days-with/

http://www.rawstory....arnival-admits/

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

Incredibly safe if you can put up with feces and raw sewage all over the place and the odor. :s


I think he is probably referring to even after a fire the ship didn't sink....

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:32

I can't believe that companies are still manufacturing stuff in China... Governments should stop that for real. If every country prefers their own country to manufacture then there won't be as high unemployment as there is right now. There are lots of people looking for a job yet companies are still in for China... Just because it is cheap there...Yeah, help China become the biggest economy ever by 2020...


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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:35

I can't believe that companies are still manufacturing stuff in China... Governments should stop that for real. If every country prefers their own country to manufacture then there won't be as high unemployment as there is right now. There are lots of people looking for a job yet companies are still in for China... Just because it is cheap there...Yeah, help China become the biggest economy ever by 2020...


That will never happen because hiring workers in your own country is far too expensive. As workers in western countries demand higher wages, various benefits and good working conditions etc (things they have every right to have) while workers in China will work for peanuts in **** conditions because they have no other choice. Who do you think the companies are going to employ? companies are all about money and how to make much as possible, they care about little else.

While I totally agree with you that bringing manufacturing "back home" would greatly benefit the home country, there is just too little incentive for massive companies to potentially bankrupt* themselves just to support local workers.

* Alright maybe that is slight exaggeration, but hiring local workers will affect the bottom line and your going to be hard pressed to convince management that reducing the profits of the company to hire local workers is a good thing....

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:42

I think it's a great idea, if indeed an exact replica, if used as a history museum.
'God himself could not sink this ship'.....
Sorry, where is it right now?
Acutally, while I'm still posting... Is he going to address the structural wobble the original ship had?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:50

What structural wobble are you talking about?

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:55

Yes that's one accident on one ship. If I told you that one shooting with one gun meant all guns everywhere should be banned I'm sure you'd probably bite my head off. Statistically ships are no more unsafe than any other form of transport.

Also: The original Titanic was not an American ship, and the guy creating the Titanic II is not an American either. It strikes me as being odd that so many Americans are up in arms about the labour being outsourced to China.


Those links are about more than one cruise ship. Just Google Cruise ship mishaps. People go missing..etc. I do not understand how Carnival stays in business. I do not care who is trying to build this ship, it is not a very good idea. Now if they plan to follow the same course as the original , the idea may be feasible. That is if it does not hit an Iceberg. Oh and if the ship was built in America it would not have hit that Iceberg and it would not be an issue.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:57

What structural wobble are you talking about?

History channel mentioned the ship had to be reinforced because of it's length, the decks were redesigned and strengthened, due to (for lack of a better way to say it) it's sides had a tendency to wobble in open water.
Now I don't know this for a fact, but I have no reason to not believe it neither.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:58

http://www.mapreport...p.accident.html

Interesting

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 02:59

Those links are about more than one cruise ship. Just Google Cruise ship mishaps. People go missing..etc. I do not understand how Carnival stays in business. I do not care who is trying to build this ship, it is not a very good idea. Now if they plan to follow the same course as the original , the idea may be feasible. That is if it does not hit an Iceberg. Oh and if the ship was built in America it would not have hit that Iceberg and it would not be an issue.


LOL... as much as your misguided arrogance amuses me, the construction of the ship was not at fault for the disaster. No civilian ship on the sea at that time in history would have survived such damage. It was mostly poor corporate management that led to the catalogue of mistakes that sank the Titanic, and I think corporate arrogance is something you yanks know better than anyone else.

History channel mentioned the ship had to be reinforced because of it's length, the decks were redesigned and strengthened, due to (for lack of a better way to say it) it's sides had a tendency to wobble in open water.
Now I don't know this for a fact, but I have no reason to not believe it neither.


I've studied the Titanic extensively and I recall no such reports. The only thing I can think of would be the ship's expansion joints and those were a common feature of shipbuilding at the time, designed to stop ships breaking their back in heavy storms. According to all the survivor testimony I have seen there were no significant issues for the Titanic in that department.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:01

LOL... as much as your misguided arrogance amuses me, the construction of the ship was not at fault for the disaster. No civilian ship on the sea at that time in history would have survived such damage. It was mostly poor corporate management that led to the catalogue of mistakes that sank the Titanic, and I think corporate arrogance is something you yanks know better than anyone else.


http://www.mapreport...p.accident.html

Read and learn something. Arrogance. Pot calls kettle.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:02

As long as its hull is stronger than that of the original.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:07

http://www.mapreport...p.accident.html

Read and learn something. Arrogance. Pot calls kettle.


8 shipping disasters all over the world. In 2012 561 people died in shipping disasters. 24x more people died in the united states of america alone from gun violence than died all over the world from accidents aboard ships (and 431 of those were in poor countries). Nor have you provided me any evidence that American ships are better than anyone else's. I know fearmongering is all you yanks know but get your head in the real world and actually do the math.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:11

I've studied the Titanic extensively and I recall no such reports. The only thing I can think of would be the ship's expansion joints and those were a common feature of shipbuilding at the time, designed to stop ships breaking their back in heavy storms. According to all the survivor testimony I have seen there were no significant issues for the Titanic in that department.

I can't find it now neither, I'm sure I'm not mistaken, but please note, I'm only going on something seen on TV for all I know that information might have been disproven by now...