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#46 jkenn99

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:16

Not that I don't think they are fools, but here is an interesting point: If they have 7/9 children that survive, they are actually beating the pre-1970 child mortality rate in America.
This means that most people alive today were born to parents that did a worse job of helping their children survive than these ones have.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:22

This didn't happen because they are bad parents, it happened because they are foolish and mistaken.

If you completely believe that the doctor can heal your child, you will keep taking them to the doctor even as you watch them die. If your child dies in the doctor's care, that doesn't make you a bad parent.



The thing is if the doctors can't save your child nobody will. So if you bring your child to the hospital then you are a good parent.

Prayers wont save your child. Everyone should know that. There's simply no excuse. If you don't bring your suffering child to the hospital then i think you are a bad parent. Not necessarily a bad person but a bad parent yes.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:26

This didn't happen because they are bad parents, it happened because they are foolish and mistaken.

If you completely believe that the doctor can heal your child, you will keep taking them to the doctor even as you watch them die. If your child dies in the doctor's care, that doesn't make you a bad parent.

They (mistakenly, obviously) completely believe that if they pray hard enough they can heal their child, and they are likely more distraught over the death because they will blame themselves for not managing to pray sufficiently for healing.

Are you trying to justify this? :huh: They ARE bad parents - there is no other way to put it.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:26

Now everyone will be saying stuff how faith is this and that. They are just idiots who had to make up an excuse. I believe in God but if Im sick I dont just sit and hope I go to the doctor. This is the most stupid excuse ever.

Yeah, I wonder why these people believe in an all-powerful God, yet can't grasp the idea that he could work through doctors and etc. Doesn't he work through people and circumstances? "mysterious ways" and all?

Sounds like both of these deaths were completely preventable. Bacterial infections, diarrhea, these are fairly common problems that we've all had and recovered from. The symptoms were allowed to get way more serious than they should have and it killed these innocent kids. That's really sad :(

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:26

This means that most people alive today were born to parents that did a worse job of helping their children survive than these ones have.


No the parents back then did what they could with the technology and knowledge of the time.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:52

Yeah, I wonder why these people believe in an all-powerful God, yet can't grasp the idea that he could work through doctors and etc. Doesn't he work through people and circumstances? "mysterious ways" and all?


I hate when people say that. It belittles the skills of the doctors and nurses who worked damn hard to learn their skills. Mysterious ways my backside.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 14:56

I hate when people say that. It belittles the skills of the doctors and nurses who worked damn hard to learn their skills. Mysterious ways my backside.

As an atheist I truly dislike other atheists who refuse to accept the beliefs of theists. Tolerance goes both ways.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:05

the parents back then did what they could with the technology and knowledge of the time.

Quite right; so you'll agree that being ignorant is different than being malicious?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:12

Quite right; so you'll agree that being ignorant is different than being malicious?


Yep it's different.

But being a bad parent doesn't mean there's a malicious intent. You can be a really good person but a really bad parent.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:16

It was flooding in California. As the flood waters were rising, a man was on the stoop of his house and another man in a row boat came by. The man in the row boat told the man on the stoop to get in and he'd save him. The man on the stoop said, no, he had faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising and the man had to go to the second floor of his house. A man in a motor boat came by and told the man in the house to get in because he had come to rescue him.

The man in the house said no thank you. He had perfect faith in God and would wait for God to save him. The flood waters kept rising. Pretty soon they were up to the man's roof and he got out on the roof. A helicopter then came by, lowered a rope and the pilot shouted down in the man in the house to climb up the rope because the helicopter had come to rescue him. The man in the house wouldn't get in. He told the pilot that he had faith in God and would wait for God to rescue him. The flood waters kept rising and the man in the house drowned. When he got to heaven, he asked God why didn't he save him. He told God that he had perfect faith in God, but God had let him drown.

"What more do you want from me?" asked God. "I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:22

As an atheist I truly dislike other atheists who refuse to accept the beliefs of theists. Tolerance goes both ways.


Theists can believe what they want, but belittling the skills of hard working people and saying "god did it" is just insulting.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:25

Theists can believe what they want, but belittling the skills of hard working people and saying "god did it" is just insulting.

I fail to see how a theist believing a medical doctor works through the hand of God is insulting said doctor. YMMV.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:34

guys, keep the thread clean.

anyways, this is just bad parenting and has nothing to do with christian belief; in fact Jesus healed lots of people; also that church message is very distorced.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:36

I fail to see how a theist believing a medical doctor works through the hand of God is insulting said doctor. YMMV.


Because it renders the doctor's skills irrelevant. It implies that anyone could have been the instrument of healing instead of someone who devoted years of their life to learning all that man had discovered about medicine.

It's just as bad as when someone comes through something like a natural disaster and gives thanks to god for saving them. They forget that if god is real and actually deigned to save them; well, god's also the one that caused the disaster to happen in the first place!

guys, keep the thread clean.

anyways, this is just bad parenting and has nothing to do with christian belief; in fact Jesus healed lots of people; also that church message is very distorced.


Actually, the Christian belief is directly relevant to the thread, as the parents trusted their belief over medicine.

Those kids should have been taken away from the parents the first time; not left with them to let the murdering scumbags do it again.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 15:43

Actually, the Christian belief is directly relevant to the thread, as the parents trusted their belief over medicine.

Those kids should have been taken away from the parents the first time; not left with them to let the murdering scumbags do it again.


sorry, i'm @ work so i posted very quickly.
i meant that their belief != christian belief. And i agree that those kids should be taken when their first kid died, what those services did to avoid this?