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If you're yearning for a super high res HDTV and the usual suspects' products are just a bit too pricey, there's a new challenger about to join: China's TCL. Its fall lineup of televisions leads with a 50-inch 4K model (shown above) due in September priced at just $999. It joins Seiki as a Chinese manufacturer bringing budget priced Ultra HD panels to the US with this 120Hz edge lit LED model that packs 4 HDMI inputs with MHL support. If the 7E504D's 3,840 x 2,160 resolution screen isn't a must-have for you, it does have some more traditional HDTVs on the way in the form of its 5510 series.
 
They include 40-, 46- and 55-inch 1080p models, priced at $399, $499 and $799, respectively. The largest one includes built-in WiFi with Smart TV features including Netflix, YouTube and Yahoo Apps, and all go on sale in August. So far, reviews of the Seiki UHDTVs have suggested resolution isn't everything even at these prices (and especially at this screen size) -- we'll be waiting to see if TCL's scaling, contrast, motion processing and other qualities can match up with the big guys.

 

 

 

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Only a matter of time before a price war on 4k TV's happen. Earlier the better :D

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Who the hell is TCL?   :s

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Who the hell is TCL?   :s

I've never heard of them either, but the reviews online actually seem pretty decent.  There are some people that say their TV died quickly, but I guess you'll find those sort of reviews for every TV.  Some people said that the TV itself is a Samsung, but branded as a TCL.  Not sure if that applies to their whole lineup though.

 

I was expecting people would review their products as cheap junk, but I'm honestly surprised that it seems to be a decent brand. Amazingly cheap too.

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Who the hell is TCL?

 

Rewind 20 years and say the same about HTC

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Rewind 20 years and say the same about HTC

HTC was only called HTC in one region then. I European it was QTek.

Anyway, good user reviews mean to thing when it comes to such TVs regular users couldn't tell the difference between a 4 and 8 series Samsung if you pointed it out to them.

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I'm waiting for a 27-32" 4K display with DisplayPort or Mini DisplayPort at around $1000-1500, once one comes out I'm buying it right away

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Anyway, good user reviews mean to thing when it comes to such TVs regular users couldn't tell the difference between a 4 and 8 series Samsung if you pointed it out to them.

This.. you are not going to get the same picture quality you are going to get from the Sony 4k tvs.  You will get a tv that is capable of 4k spec but I'd imagine the PQ to be on par with other low end models.

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Does anyone know whether it will accept a native 120Hz input or if just applies signal processing to a 60Hz input? I'm interested in getting a 4K display but I really don't want to be limited to a 60Hz refresh rate, as otherwise I might as well stick with my IPS display.

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Rewind 20 years and say the same about HTC

wait 20 more months and they'll be saying the same thing again

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I'm waiting for a 27-32" 4K display with DisplayPort or Mini DisplayPort at around $1000-1500, once one comes out I'm buying it right away

 

4k is only really useful for huge displays 60"+.  Just like 1080p is a bit useless for TVs under 40".  Running 4k resolution on a 27" monitor would ludicrous.  The mouse pointer would be a speck.

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Does anyone know whether it will accept a native 120Hz input or if just applies signal processing to a 60Hz input? I'm interested in getting a 4K display but I really don't want to be limited to a 60Hz refresh rate, as otherwise I might as well stick with my IPS display.

 

Why does this matter for a TV. these are TV's not monitors. even for a monitor I don't see why you would need more than 60 except for 3D. 

4k is only really useful for huge displays 60"+.  Just like 1080p is a bit useless for TVs under 40".  Running 4k resolution on a 27" monitor would ludicrous.  The mouse pointer would be a speck.

 

Large mouse pointer....

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Why does this matter for a TV. these are TV's not monitors. even for a monitor I don't see why you would need more than 60 except for 3D. 

 

You can't display native 24 fps content (i.e. movies) on a 60 Hz display without 3:2 pulldown which causes jitter.

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This.. you are not going to get the same picture quality you are going to get from the Sony 4k tvs.  You will get a tv that is capable of 4k spec but I'd imagine the PQ to be on par with other low end models.

 

When they say the TCL's are really samsungs, they probably mean they use samsung panels. which means they probably use panels in the 4 series category , maybe 5 series for the "good" ones. they still don't have any of the software from the samsungs though(much less the bravia PQ software), arguably that could be a god thing as you don't get the horrible motion flow that makes everything have "water/waves" around it. they stil have horribly noisy darks and terrible contrast though, and probably even worse light bleeding than Samsung. 

You can't display native 24 fps content (i.e. movies) on a 60 Hz display without 3:2 pulldown which causes jitter.

 

ummm. yes you can. a "panel" is NOT 60 hz. the software says its 60, and 60 is the "fastest" it can go. however, they can all operate at a slower REAL 24FPS. which is what most modern TV's do when you watch BluRays.

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4k is only really useful for huge displays 60"+.  Just like 1080p is a bit useless for TVs under 40".  Running 4k resolution on a 27" monitor would ludicrous.  The mouse pointer would be a speck.

I disagree, OSX does a great job with its Retina mode. I love my rMBP and I wish I could have the same thing when I use my desktop

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ummm. yes you can. a "panel" is NOT 60 hz. the software says its 60, and 60 is the "fastest" it can go. however, they can all operate at a slower REAL 24FPS. which is what most modern TV's do when you watch BluRays.

 

I don't know where this "they can all" thing came from. Very few LCD panels are multisync. They may say they are running at 24Hz on their display but they are still doing 3:2 pulldown if they are a 60Hz model.

 

LG used to have a 60Hz panel that also supported native 48Hz (thus 2:2 jitterless pulldown) but it was phased out once 120 Hz became standard.

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Any decent mid range and up TV from at least Panasonic, Sony and Samsung supports native 24. 

 

120hz is hardly standard anyway, 200 is more standard. and most 200 panels are actually 100(but motion flow like filters make the image appear to be smoother than it is) just like most 400 panels are actually 200. But you have to read the actual specs not the logos they use to sell the TV's. 

 

I would rather watch the movie in native 24 instead of motion flowed 120, 200 or 400 anyway. talk about ruining the pictures. those "waves" or "force fields" you get around every moving object is just so horribly ugly and annoying. 

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TCL TVs are just plain horrible, we have the normal 32 and 40'' versions here at work and to find a decent one is like a lottery, they are made from cheap plastic and you have to be careful cause the connections at the back have a tendency to come off, not to mention that the picture quality of tends to give you eye cancer.

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TCL TVs are just plain horrible, we have the normal 32 and 40'' versions here at work and to find a decent one is like a lottery

 

Which means, like a certain other HDTV brand known for cheap prices, they probably buy rejected panels from other manufacturers and use them in their sets, resulting in a crapshoot for picture quality.

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Probably, at one point we had 4 of the 40" set up next to each other connected to a PS3 via an HDMI Splitter and the pic quality on the 4 tvs was different for all of them

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what's the dpi on this thing?

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what's the dpi on this thing?

 

calculate it. 50 inch, 4k res, you have all the info you need. 

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Does anyone know whether it will accept a native 120Hz input or if just applies signal processing to a 60Hz input? I'm interested in getting a 4K display but I really don't want to be limited to a 60Hz refresh rate, as otherwise I might as well stick with my IPS display.

Does any "120hz" HDTV accept a 120hz input? I thought they were all 60hz.

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Does any "120hz" HDTV accept a 120hz input? I thought they were all 60hz.

pretty much, at best. 

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wait 20 more months and they'll be saying the same thing again

I hope not, but at the pace that they are doing it doesn't look good. :no:

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