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How Does A 107-Year-Old Die In A Police Shootout? Details Emerge
By Bill Chappell on September 9th, 2013

Monroe Isadore, the 107-year-old man who died in a shootout with a SWAT team Saturday in Arkansas, had been asked to move out of the house he was living in and into an apartment. That detail comes from Isadore

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This sort of thing makes Judge Dredd look like a factual documentary on the US criminal justice system.

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We are all going to exit this world. 107 years old? Might as well go out in a hail of gunfire!

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It's better to burn out than to slowly fade away! Old badass mofo lol

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He probably couldn't hit a barn door from the inside given his age

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Seems a pointless death to me as they could simply have waited the situation out instead of breaching the home

You haven't noticed the disturbing strong trend towards just killing people rather than attempting to negotiate peacefully recently? Seems like police understand that putting someone through trial costs time and money and isn't guaranteed, but killing someone is fast and easy.

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I don't know what you could be so pissed off about at 107 ...

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This sort of thing makes Judge Dredd look like a factual documentary on the US criminal justice system.

Because firing bullets and threatening others is something to take lightly.

 

Bullets don't discriminate by age or sex.

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He probably couldn't hit a barn door from the inside given his age

How do you figure? He managed to fire through the door in the house where the officers were approaching from just fine and that is significantly smaller than a barn door.

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You haven't noticed the disturbing strong trend towards just killing people rather than attempting to negotiate peacefully recently? Seems like police understand that putting someone through trial costs time and money and isn't guaranteed, but killing someone is fast and easy.

You have noticed the disturbing strong trend towards the media only reporting on shocking things recently? Nothing shocking about negotiating a peaceful solution. They happen just as much as before but you wouldn't hear about them in national news.

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You haven't noticed the disturbing strong trend towards just killing people rather than attempting to negotiate peacefully recently? Seems like police understand that putting someone through trial costs time and money and isn't guaranteed, but killing someone is fast and easy.

 

 

Another detail from KATV suggests Isadore may have been disoriented:

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^ Yeah, but could he see to hit anything .... :p

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^ Yeah, but could he see to hit anything .... :p

It only takes one bullet to hit the mark.

 

Odds of hitting something increase as you keep pulling the trigger.

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perhaps he was just done living and wanted to go out in an action packed way?

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Another detail from KATV suggests Isadore may have been disoriented:

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I don't buy that. A SWAT team and police force combined couldn't subdue a 107 year old man with a handgun without killing him? As highly trained as our SWAT teams and police forces are now, I just don't believe that. He obviously isn't entirely in his right mind, judging from the article. I understand he was certainly the aggressor of the situation, but it seems to be a more common outcome now.

Nobody said they couldn't subdue him. They just couldn't do it safely. You expect police officers and swat team members to give up their life to safely tie down a 107 year old? Sure they could just run at him and hope only a few of them end up dead, at least the 107 year is still alive then. /s

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I don't buy that. A SWAT team and police force combined couldn't subdue a 107 year old man with a handgun without killing him? As highly trained as our SWAT teams and police forces are now, I just don't believe that. He obviously isn't entirely in his right mind, judging from the article. I understand he was certainly the aggressor of the situation, but it seems to be a more common outcome now.

Age doesn't affect the effectiveness of pulling a trigger.

 

As Tobacco said, they probably could have, but not safely. 

 

I think that most police officers rather choose the option that keeps them alive at the end of the day.

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Nobody said they couldn't subdue him. They just couldn't do it safely. You expect police officers and swat team members to give up their life to safely tie down a 107 year old? Sure they could just run at him and hope only a few of them end up dead, at least the 107 year is still alive then. /s

No, I suppose I wouldn't expect it from them, but it certainly wouldn't be outside of the job description. I certainly didn't say to just run at him and hope for the best, that would be fairly stupid.

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No, I suppose I wouldn't expect it from them, but it certainly wouldn't be outside of the job description. I certainly didn't say to just run at him and hope for the best, that would be fairly stupid.

But that's what you are asking for. The man was firing a gun and gas wasn't working. The only option left is either take him out or attempt to dog pile him while he continues shooting bullets at you. It is actually outside the job description. The police have no duty to protect and keep an individual alive. The only have the duty to protect society as a whole. That is what the Surpreme Court ruled. This man was firing bullets without regard for anyone's life and one stray bullet out the window and someone could die. By taking him out, they did their duty and probably the only thing they could do given the situation.

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No, I suppose I wouldn't expect it from them, but it certainly wouldn't be outside of the job description. I certainly didn't say to just run at him and hope for the best, that would be fairly stupid.

I guess we would need a member of SWAT to post their employment agreement, but I bet that is not in the description.

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Because firing bullets and threatening others is something to take lightly.

Of course not but his death was a result of a SWAT team storming the property. He had fired at police officers as they approached the room but other than that he posed no immediate danger to the public. Anger is a short-term emotion and it appears that he was confused and acting out of character, so putting him under more pressure was never going to lead to a positive outcome. This was a delicate situation that was approached with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

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Of course not but his death was a result of a SWAT team storming the property. He had fired at police officers as they approached the room but other than that he posed no immediate danger to the public. Anger is a short-term emotion and it appears that he was confused and acting out of character, so putting him under more pressure was never going to lead to a positive outcome. This was a delicate situation that was approached with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

I guess you didn't read the part where he was waving the gun at a family member too.

 

Remember, he showed willingness to pull the trigger...

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I think that most police officers rather choose the option that keeps them alive at the end of the day.

It's one thing to make a tactical decision based on public safety but it's another entirely to choose to storm a property and kill anybody that resists. Police officers shouldn't be allowed to shoot people dead simply because it reduces their personal risk. There were no hostages, there were no civilians caught up in this situation. This was a botched police operation.

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The family were out of the house,the only person in the house apart from SWAT was the gentleman in question.They had the option to contain the offender and wait till cooler heads prevailed.There was no urgency to remove him as the only reports of gunshots were towards the SWAT officers in or immediately around the building, its not like he was at the window firing into the crowd.

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