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#31 Titoist

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 19:23

I got my flu shot today. It was free. Actually.... there was no economic discussion at all.




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Posted 25 October 2013 - 22:44

You do know that flock immunization doesn't work on the flu shot right ?

 

to many variables

to many people to immunize everyone.

to many strains, a flu shot only protects against ~5 of the strains, every year they cherry pick 5 different strains they "think" will be the big ones this year and makes this years flu shot. there's hundreds of strains, and usually more than 5 different ones active each year. And there's new ones coming all the time as well. basically the flu shot might not even protect you if you get infected.

 

 

therefore it's actually quite useless to give flushots to everyone, especially the young and healthy. It wont kill healthy people to get the flu, it will only help them deal with it better themselves later. The only reason to immunize everyone, is to pad the pockets of the pharma. 

I was referring to the weak people, the amount of lives its saved cant be counted.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 22:59

I know I have had problems with places telling me something isn't covered by my insurance, so I have to pay for it, and then they charge my insurance company and get two payments. You can't trust anyone these days.

I was sent a bill for some x-rays last year, as well as the radiology co. trying to bill the Insurance.

 

I refused to pay them.

 

The kicker is, all the time they were trying to get money out of me, the Co. had already been paid. :s



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:11

Aren't we, by taking flu shots, making the flu strains stronger as they evolve in accordance to us? Correct if I'm wrong, that's what I learnt in high school biology. The more immune you get to a virus the more it evolves in order to be able to fight you.

 

If I know this hurts the following generations, I'd never take a flu shot (not that I take any).



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:18

flu shot are ridiculous, they are a rip off, for anyone with a good immune system (anyone, but the very young, very old, or the immune compromised people)

 

 

and to see them blatantly ripping people of on top of that, is just depressing.

 

 

healthcare is the proverbial cow everyone is milking nowadays, this is were the big bucks are, and this is were the scams are rampant!    the fake prescription medicine is one of the most profitable scams, and there are lots more.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:23

flu shot are ridiculous, they are a rip off, for anyone with a good immune system (anyone, but the very young, very old, or the immune compromised people)

 

 

and to see them blatantly ripping people of on top of that, is just depressing.

 

 

healthcare is the proverbial cow everyone is milking nowadays, this is were the big bucks are, and this is were the scams are rampant!    the fake prescription medicine is one of the most profitable scams, and there are lots more.

Can't agree more with you on that. The best flu shot is the healthy way of life. Our organism is strong enough to defeat simple flu in most cases. Even without medicine but of course we don't want to wait for weeks.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:25

Aren't we, by taking flu shots, making the flu strains stronger as they evolve in accordance to us? Correct if I'm wrong, that's what I learnt in high school biology. The more immune you get to a virus the more it evolves in order to be able to fight you.

 

If I know this hurts the following generations, I'd never take a flu shot (not that I take any).

Don't forget the mercury many shots contain !



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:31

flu shot are ridiculous, they are a rip off, for anyone with a good immune system (anyone, but the very young, very old, or the immune compromised people)

 

 

and to see them blatantly ripping people of on top of that, is just depressing.

 

 

healthcare is the proverbial cow everyone is milking nowadays, this is were the big bucks are, and this is were the scams are rampant!    the fake prescription medicine is one of the most profitable scams, and there are lots more.

 

Aren't they typically aimed at the young and the old? 

 

 

 

Don't forget the mercury many shots contain !

 

 

Thiomerosal — a preservative that contains mercury — has never been shown to be harmful, Cunningham said. The type of mercury linked with nervous system damage is methyl mercury, he said. Concerns over methyl mercury levels have led to recommendations that pregnant women avoid eating large amounts of certain types of fish, such as swordfish.
 
In contrast, thiomerosal is an ethyl mercury compound.
 
Still, because the preservative raised controversy, especially over a now-disproven link to autism, it was taken out of almost all U.S. vaccines starting in 2001, Cunningham said.

 

 

 


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:38

 

almost all, except the hepatitis and flu shot!

also, this would not be the first time something was "proven" to be harmless, but it was not...

 

who cares really... the point i was making, that flu shots are pointless (or even possibly harmful, even if the chance of it is tiny)   and should be avoided by healthy adults.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 23:44

almost all, except the hepatitis and flu shot!
also, this would not be the first time something was "proven" to be harmless, but it was not...
 
who cares really... the point i was making, that flu shots are pointless (or even possibly harmful, even if the chance of it is tiny)   and should be avoided by healthy adults.


Increase number of infected hosts. Increased number of viral replication events, greater chance of hitting a mutation that results in increased pathogenicity and virulence. Large scale vaccination suppresses the ability of the viral population to sample resistance traits.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 00:08

 

therefore it's actually quite useless to give flushots to everyone, especially the young and healthy. It wont kill healthy people to get the flu, it will only help them deal with it better themselves later. The only reason to immunize everyone, is to pad the pockets of the pharma. 

 

It's obvious you don't know how vaccinations work.  Let's go over some points:

 

Yes, some healthy people will die from the flu. 

 

No, not getting the shot will not help them deal with it better later.  Vaccinations work by introducing a dead virus or parts of a dead virus to your body. Your immune system attacks the dead virus and develops the ability to fight the live virus if it ever gets into your body. By never gaining immunity, you do not automatically have the ability to fight the virus and your body has to do what it can to fight it and develop that immunity after about a week of you feeling horrible, missing work, and transmitting the virus to other people.

 

The main reason to immunize large quantities of people is to reduce transmission risk and reduce costs involved in treating sick people. 

 

So, please, stop spreading what is incredibly bad information.



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 00:30

Mate of mine works in a lab that makes these flu shots.  They're based on the previous year's flu strain, and are next to useless.



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 06:44

It's obvious you don't know how vaccinations work.  Let's go over some points:

 

Yes, some healthy people will die from the flu. 

 

No, not getting the shot will not help them deal with it better later.  Vaccinations work by introducing a dead virus or parts of a dead virus to your body. Your immune system attacks the dead virus and develops the ability to fight the live virus if it ever gets into your body. By never gaining immunity, you do not automatically have the ability to fight the virus and your body has to do what it can to fight it and develop that immunity after about a week of you feeling horrible, missing work, and transmitting the virus to other people.

 

The main reason to immunize large quantities of people is to reduce transmission risk and reduce costs involved in treating sick people. 

 

So, please, stop spreading what is incredibly bad information.

 

Healthy young people don't die from the flu, unless it's a specially bad super strain like the swine flu, EXCEPT, the swine flu turned out to not really be any worse than any other strain of the flu anyway, but...

 

And getting the flu will teach the body to fight it later just like the vaccine, better in fact. and again, the vaccines only contain a limited amount of strains, this years shot, 3 selected strands, pulled out of a giant pool that the doctors are "guessing" are going to be this years flu strains. The only way they would know this is if they where the ones releasing it, but I'm not a conspiracy theorists so I don't buy that, but I'm sure I gave Hum some ideas. 

 

And as I said, flock immunization doesn't really work on the flu shot. never has, never will. and I explained why above. 



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 22:53

Healthy young people don't die from the flu, unless it's a specially bad super strain like the swine flu, EXCEPT, the swine flu turned out to not really be any worse than any other strain of the flu anyway, but...

 

And getting the flu will teach the body to fight it later just like the vaccine, better in fact. and again, the vaccines only contain a limited amount of strains, this years shot, 3 selected strands, pulled out of a giant pool that the doctors are "guessing" are going to be this years flu strains. The only way they would know this is if they where the ones releasing it, but I'm not a conspiracy theorists so I don't buy that, but I'm sure I gave Hum some ideas. 

 

And as I said, flock immunization doesn't really work on the flu shot. never has, never will. and I explained why above. 

 

A flu shot is, on average, $30.

 

It's rare for a healthy young person to die from the flu, but it does happen, and it is a risk. Is the risk worth $30?

 

Getting the flu will teach the body to fight it later, exactly the same as the vaccine. After being sick for a week, missing work or school and most likely infecting someone else. Is that worth $30?

 

If you do not have the flu, you can not pass it to someone else. If you don't get a flu shot and you do get the flu, you can pass it to someone else, like the very young or elderly. Is that worth $30?

 

So, congrats, you saved $30 a year, and every year you do get the flu that you could have prevented, you cost other people hundreds.

 

Yay! Go you.



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 23:26

Actually the flu shot is free for me, I can handle being sick from a flu strain that the shot likely wouldn't protect me from anyway, and I live in a civilized country so I don't lose money from being sick.

So why should I get a useless set that at best would protect me against 3-5 strains of last years flu's, When this year there's likely to be a whole new set of strains, and more than 5 of them as well. Seems rather pointless doesn't it.