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A 10-year-old Amish girl with leukemia and her parents have left the country to seek alternatives to chemotherapy, according to the family's attorney.

Sarah Hershberger and her parents oppose chemotherapy, and have been fighting the Akron Children's Hospital in court after the family stopped Sarah's treatment. Her parents said the treatments have caused their daughter a great deal of pain, and they'd rather focus on herbal and natural remedies.

"It's the constitutional right, but [there's a] moral right to refuse conventional medical treatment," the Hershberger's attorney, Maurice Thompson, told ABC News Wednesday.

Hospital officials declined to comment on Sarah's case or whether they would seek further legal action. Law enforcement officials said at this point there was no formal search for the girl.

The Hershbergers left their home in northeast Ohio days before a state appeals court appointed a guardian in October to take over medical decisions from Sarah's parents. The family members won't say where they are now, but they have no plans to return to their home anytime soon, according to Thompson.

"Sarah's condition has gotten a lot better since the family has been pursuing the alternative treatment," Thompson said. :happy:

Sarah had tumors on her neck, chest and kidneys when her parents initially agreed to chemotherapy at Akron Children's Hospital earlier this year. Her parents said the side effects were terrible, and they wanted to treat Sarah's leukemia with alternative treatments.

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"Sarah's condition has gotten a lot better since the family has been pursuing the alternative treatment," Thompson said.

of course it has, chemo absolutely makes you feel like ######. So when you stop it, you'll feel better, untill you die of cancer...

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I don't blame them one bit -- modern medicine is a lot of convoluted guess work.

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Well it's their right...I just feel sorry for the girl. Given her age I imagine that this wasn't her decision, or she had the child-like logic of "mum and dad asked if I wanted to stop the treatment, and the treatment was hurting me so I said, 'yes.'"

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I deal with this a bit, for where I am.  We have a huge population of Amish.  They or someone they know call 911 because their kid or someone is hurt,  most of the time it's serious.  They usually wait until it's almost too late.   Then when we get there,  "No, don't take them to the hospital, it's God's will."

 

 

I'm for religion, but that's honestly ######.   If a normal, non Amish person did it, that's endangering the welfare of a child.  We had one involved in a farm accident,  kid was almost dead.  "No, they don't need to go, if this was meant to happen, it needs to."

 

 

They don't have power either,  over the summer I went out for a DOA, them laying inside, with heat indexes in the almost triple digits...Not too pleasant. 

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I don't blame them one bit -- modern medicine is a lot of convoluted guess work.

 

uh... ummm... just no..

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uh... ummm... just no..

 

much of it simply treats symptoms not the cause.   You buy tylenol.. it makes the headache go away but it doesn't correct WHY you had the headache.   Cough syrup removes the cough but doesn't treat the illness.  I know someone personally that worked for a pharmaceutical company, and she told me they often WANT side effects, and they purposely don't try and fight the disease right on.  With side effects, they can sell a new pill or existing pill, again to fight the symptoms. 

If the pill actually cured you, these companies would make no money as there is no need to keep buying their medications unless you are sick ALL the time.

 

Here is a  link for "Cancer Killing" aka, natural cures for cancer that don't destroy your body.. like chemo.

 

http://www.beacancerkiller.com/

 

Homeopathics, and natural remedies (obviously within reason) should ALWAYS be sought, and over the counter medications should be a last resort symptom relief.

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Its hard to be judgmental in such cases and its not like it a lone incident as its been mentioned before in a UK case regarding parental refusal of treatment.It is after all their belief to be their Gods work, whereas timely treatment would more than likely in most cases save the persons life.

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If it's the Girls choice too, and not her parents pushing it on her. To each their own.

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much of it simply treats symptoms not the cause.   You buy tylenol.. it makes the headache go away but it doesn't correct WHY you had the headache.   Cough syrup removes the cough but doesn't treat the illness.  I know someone personally that worked for a pharmaceutical company, and she told me they often WANT side effects, and they purposely don't try and fight the disease right on.  With side effects, they can sell a new pill or existing pill, again to fight the symptoms. 

If the pill actually cured you, these companies would make no money as there is no need to keep buying their medications unless you are sick ALL the time.

 

Here is a  link for "Cancer Killing" aka, natural cures for cancer that don't destroy your body.. like chemo.

 

http://www.beacancerkiller.com/

 

Homeopathics, and natural remedies (obviously within reason) should ALWAYS be sought, and over the counter medications should be a last resort symptom relief.

i am always  shocked at how many people (on the web and even in real life) that believe the cancer conspiracy.

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Here is a  link for "Cancer Killing" aka, natural cures for cancer that don't destroy your body.. like chemo.

 

http://www.beacancerkiller.com/

 

Homeopathics, and natural remedies (obviously within reason) should ALWAYS be sought, and over the counter medications should be a last resort symptom relief.

if all that alternative medicine crap worked Steve Jobs would still be alive.  good luck with that.

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much of it simply treats symptoms not the cause.   You buy tylenol.. it makes the headache go away but it doesn't correct WHY you had the headache.   Cough syrup removes the cough but doesn't treat the illness.  I know someone personally that worked for a pharmaceutical company, and she told me they often WANT side effects, and they purposely don't try and fight the disease right on.  With side effects, they can sell a new pill or existing pill, again to fight the symptoms. 

If the pill actually cured you, these companies would make no money as there is no need to keep buying their medications unless you are sick ALL the time.

 

Here is a  link for "Cancer Killing" aka, natural cures for cancer that don't destroy your body.. like chemo.

 

http://www.beacancerkiller.com/

 

Homeopathics, and natural remedies (obviously within reason) should ALWAYS be sought, and over the counter medications should be a last resort symptom relief.

 

That wasn't even his argument.

 

and if my the paracet pills i take removes my headache untill it goes away, all good. usually you can't cure a headache anyway since it's caused by stress, pressure or other outside factors. for migraines they have working pills to some degree. 

 

Cough syrup is to some degree unnecessary unless your cough causes you headaches, puking or other damage to the body. still it fixes or reduces the coughing. other medicines can treat some of the illness that causes the coughing unless it's the common cold. 

 

non of these cause any side effects you need extra medication from.

 

and again, this wasn't his argument, you're making a completely different argument. and none of those medicines are based of guesswork. much less is any of the many cancer cures based on guesswork, they're based on science and they work. unlike the prayers and herbal teas these people want to try. 

 

and if any of those natural cures work. why aren't they curing everyone, because they don't work. sure there's anecdotal evidence that the occasional person gets "cured" but there's no proof that it was because of these so called "natural" alternative medicines, because it wasn't, it was the body in one very rare occurrence managing to repair itself of the cancer. it happens, very very rarely, but it does. 

 

and no homoeopaths shouldn't always be sought. in fact a lot of alternative "medicine" can reduce the effectiveness of real medicine, or even make a blood thinner to effective or worse reverse it and make it cause blood clots. The people you get these alternative "medicines" from they're neither doctors nor are they apotecharies, they don't understand how medicines and their herbs work together and often cause more damage than they do good. 

 

If you're talking to a homoeopath or similar, you ALSO need to consult a doctors to make sure your humbug pills are safe with your real medicine that will actually cure you and not just make you feel better by thinking you're getting cure magically by nature. 

 

His argument is in fact backwards, natural medicine is what is pure guesswork. 

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if all that alternative medicine crap worked Steve Jobs would still be alive.  good luck with that.

 

Along with millions of other people. 

 

the irony is that these people buy alternative because they don't trust big pharma and their greedy ways. there is NO companies in the world with as high profit margins as those selling and making natural and alternative "medicine". And unlike real medicine that is proven to work, theirs aren't, that's why theyr'e "alternative".  

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Must be a strict Old Order Amish sect because most Amish groups will use modern medicine. They have a problem.with the concept of buying insurance, but each community appoints a leader for a community-funded mutual aid fund.

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much of it simply treats symptoms not the cause.   You buy tylenol.. it makes the headache go away but it doesn't correct WHY you had the headache.   Cough syrup removes the cough but doesn't treat the illness.  I know someone personally that worked for a pharmaceutical company, and she told me they often WANT side effects, and they purposely don't try and fight the disease right on.  With side effects, they can sell a new pill or existing pill, again to fight the symptoms. 

If the pill actually cured you, these companies would make no money as there is no need to keep buying their medications unless you are sick ALL the time.

 

Here is a  link for "Cancer Killing" aka, natural cures for cancer that don't destroy your body.. like chemo.

 

http://www.beacancerkiller.com/

 

Homeopathics, and natural remedies (obviously within reason) should ALWAYS be sought, and over the counter medications should be a last resort symptom relief.

 

lulz

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Along with millions of other people. 

 

the irony is that these people buy alternative because they don't trust big pharma and their greedy ways. there is NO companies in the world with as high profit margins as those selling and making natural and alternative "medicine". And unlike real medicine that is proven to work, theirs aren't, that's why theyr'e "alternative".  

 

 

I wish I could like this post 1000 times. ;)

 

Pharmaceutical companies can rationalise charging high prices for their drugs because they actually invest 100s of millions if not billions of dollars into research and development (you know ,that thing which makes sure the drug you're selling actually works)? In addition, a lot of them give away millions of dollars worth of vaccines and medicines to poor countries which otherwise couldn't afford them.

 

I don't like everything Pharmaceutical companies do, but I'll take Western medicine over snake oil and herbal remedies every day of the week.

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much of it simply treats symptoms not the cause.   You buy tylenol.. it makes the headache go away but it doesn't correct WHY you had the headache.   Cough syrup removes the cough but doesn't treat the illness.  I know someone personally that worked for a pharmaceutical company, and she told me they often WANT side effects, and they purposely don't try and fight the disease right on.  With side effects, they can sell a new pill or existing pill, again to fight the symptoms. 

If the pill actually cured you, these companies would make no money as there is no need to keep buying their medications unless you are sick ALL the time.

 

Here is a  link for "Cancer Killing" aka, natural cures for cancer that don't destroy your body.. like chemo.

 

http://www.beacancerkiller.com/

 

Homeopathics(lol), and natural remedies (obviously within reason) should ALWAYS be sought, and over the counter medications should be a last resort symptom relief.

It takes a special kind of person to offer "cures" for a usually terminal illness who's outcome usually depends on fast detection and treatment.

 

Despicably evil and deadly for those gullible enough to fall for it. Natural Selection at work in 2013, I can only hope that those promoting this snake oil use it and get what they deserve....

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Along with millions of other people. 

 

the irony is that these people buy alternative because they don't trust big pharma and their greedy ways. there is NO companies in the world with as high profit margins as those selling and making natural and alternative "medicine". And unlike real medicine that is proven to work, theirs aren't, that's why theyr'e "alternative".  

 

In related news...

 

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/23912672-418/kevin-trudeau-already-in-jail-but-2nd-judge-slams-cell-door.html

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It takes a special kind of person to offer "cures" for a usually terminal illness who's outcome usually depends on fast detection and treatment.

 

Despicably evil and deadly for those gullible enough to fall for it. Natural Selection at work in 2013, I can only hope that those promoting this snake oil use it and get what they deserve....

Even with Fast detection and treatment there are no guarantees.  I've had family members pass away due to cancer (after they go into remission and it comes back).  Just because you don't agree with not going with standard medicine.. doesn't mean that it isn't something that can and does work.

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Along with millions of other people. 

 

the irony is that these people buy alternative because they don't trust big pharma and their greedy ways. there is NO companies in the world with as high profit margins as those selling and making natural and alternative "medicine". And unlike real medicine that is proven to work, theirs aren't, that's why theyr'e "alternative".  

They don't necessarily work.  More people die from pharmaceutical medications, side effects, alergies, etc than those that go the natural route.   But okay.. let's inject poisons and viri into our bodies because pharmaceutical companies say that we should.

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More people die from pharmaceutical medications, side effects, alergies, etc than those that go the natural route.

I am sure in another reality this could be true, but in this one, you could not be more wrong.

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They don't necessarily work.  More people die from pharmaceutical medications, side effects, alergies, etc than those that go the natural route.   But okay.. let's inject poisons and viri into our bodies because pharmaceutical companies say that we should.

 

100 000 people get real medical care for cancer, 5% of them die(usually a higher number depending on cancer, some cancer is almost 100% treatable unless you're late, some is only able to delay) despite the best medical care. that is 5 000 people who died despite getting the best medical care.

 

500 idiots get alternative medicine, 1 of them has a super immune system that clears his cancer, naturally without any evidence the herbs or jebus get the credit for curing him.

 

Guess what, with those numbers, you just proved that 10 times as many people die from getting pharmaceutical medication than from alternative treatments( in the real world the number is even bigger because the relative number of people going alternative rather than real science is so much smaller). 

 

It's this kind of BS numbers the alternative gurus throw out. the guys who site at the top of alternative medicine empires and make billions of of scamming poor people who only want to believe and have faith. unfortunately, the believers in alternative medicine, is in general not the hardest people to fool :/ and these peopel take advantage of that by pretending to be one of them. 

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Even with Fast detection and treatment there are no guarantees.

Did I claim there was ?

 

I've had family members pass away due to cancer (after they go into remission and it comes back).

And had they listened to you they wouldn't have those extra years.

 

Just because you don't agree with not going with standard medicine..

There is no such thing as "standard" medicine, Its just medicine.

 

doesn't mean that it isn't something that can and does work."

Show us the proof, Not blog posts. Not testimonial's lets see the studies.

 

They don't necessarily work. More people die from pharmaceutical medications, side effects, alergies, etc than those that go the natural route.

Source for this claim please.

 

But okay.. let's inject poisons and viri into our bodies because pharmaceutical companies say that we should.

Your ignorance of medical science is astounding. How else do you plan to kill cancer cells ? Water ?

And pharmaceutical companies might make an easy target but your literally up against the best and brightest of the entire world even your beloved china. Yeah they have hospitals in china who would have thunk it the ancient trash has been relegated to the western world and the fools who trust it there.

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I am sure in another reality this could be true, but in this one, you could not be more wrong.

 

He's right, in poure numbers, it's just that those numbers as I showed in my other post are meaningless as they show a bare fraction of the truth. It's a sick twisting of the truth. 

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They don't necessarily work.  More people die from pharmaceutical medications, side effects, alergies, etc than those that go the natural route.   But okay.. let's inject poisons and viri into our bodies because pharmaceutical companies say that we should.

 

Also did you know that a certain horrible disease has been virtually eradicated form the earht thanks to yoru "toxic vaccines that kill many people" ? I don't recall the English name for it now. In America and Europe both, this disease that can be crippling or deadly for kids and adult alike is comign back. why ? because idiots are dropping the vaccine.  a vaccine that hasn't been proved to cause any deaths or severe side effects, and only have such a low number of possibles that it fall into statistical noise and can't be proven whether the vaccine had anything to do with it or not. 

 

So basically, instead of 1 in every 100 000 maybe getting a syndrome from the disease, you're trading 1 in 100 chance of getting a disease that could kill or cripple your kid. not only that, but by skipping the vaccine, you're not only endangering your kid, but other kids to. 

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