Lirodon Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 What's even more ironic is that Windows 8's interface already contains significantly less transparency and glossiness by default, so why do we even need Classic? Max Norris 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order_66 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 It's just so ultra clean and simple, allowing me to go about my work without getting distracted by the latest fad whether it's shiny 3D buttons, gradients and transparent this or that. Felt like Windows lost its soul after MS took it away. And that is probably why it will never return, we are in the age of regressive software, windows is going backwards, things that 'just worked' are replaced with boring, ugly substitutes that are lacking in features and simply don't belong on a desktop pc. DeusProto and Anixx 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 And that is probably why it will never return, we are in the age of regressive software, windows is going backwards, things that 'just worked' are replaced with boring, ugly substitutes that are lacking in features and simply don't belong on a desktop pc. Because going forward specifically states we cannot deprecate older features? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order_66 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Because going forward specifically states we cannot deprecate older features? Going forward doesn't mean getting rid of things that are still useful in favor of things that restrict the user or dumbing-down the UI. Raa, Ian W and DeusProto 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The Classic theme suffered from being too bland. It's a classic 90's look that just doesn't really need to come back. Plus, I can change colors in Windows Vista, 7, 8.1, and 10. So, I'm not really sure what point you're making there. Aero and Metro are both as space efficient. The Classic theme was designed for different graphics capabilities : no anti-aliasing, compatibility with low-color monitors, low resolutions, no subtle effects. It was a good for its time... but the reason it changed wasn't fashion and changing tastes. The reason it changed is because computers are better. The same reason, at least IMO, why interfaces are now moving over to flat icons. It used to be hard to make flat icons look good, with lack of anti-aliasing, alpha channels, high resolutions, scaling. Now, it's pretty easy. That's not just about fashion either, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuhong Bao Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thinking about it, I have been thinking of moving the win32k stuff back to CSRSS for a while now. That would be a good time to put the DWM into CSRSS too, leaving only the classic theme code needed for appcompat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'd rather have that old classic theme over the ugly crap they have now. Hopefully they come out with something thats better than what they had in 8 or the tech preview, but doubt that they will. DeusProto, Order_66 and Raa 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krome Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Yeah but the metro-style theme is an updated version of the classic theme. It's the same to me... So to answer the OP question, I say yes. It's called "metro" :p lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 LOL, they said you can use Windows Flip in Windows 8, but that was removed in Windows 8. :rolleyes: sent them feedback to amend the article. nice catch :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order_66 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The same reason, at least IMO, why interfaces are now moving over to flat icons. It used to be hard to make flat icons look good, Obviously it's still hard to make flat icons look good, at least for microsoft anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I thought that's what Windows 8 introduced... I'm hoping they'll bring back the Aero theme for Windows 10 DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Obviously it's still hard to make flat icons look good, at least for microsoft anyway. You think Office 2013 looks bad? Raa 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margrave Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I don't like the look of 2013 personally. Nothing has any definition. Everything bleeds into everything else. I don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted November 2, 2014 Global Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2014 Office '13 has grown on me...with my biggest complaint that the "dark gray" isn't nearly dark enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I find Office 2013 a pleasure to work in. There are some problems with the interface, but the icon style isn't one of them IMO. The W10 icons so far that people are complaining about are Office-style icons. People just expect something different for app icons than they do for ribbon icons, I guess. I like the more subtle, shaded Google style Material icons too... they have a lot of style... Although I think the Office-style icons are fine, and they're very clean and sharp. I think they look better than people are giving them credit for. Eventually my wish is Microsoft eventually replaces its icon system with vector based icons, like they've enabled with multi-color fonts. Currently those are unshaded.. though it would be cool if they had a shading option that could be hidden or disabled with a flag. The cool thing behind vector icons is they can be infinitely mod-able to user preference, and based on UI context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anixx Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Classic mode has regressed in quality ever since Windows Vista. Everything regressed in quality in Windows starting from Win2000 I'm glad classic is dead, good riddance At work we have moved to 7/8 and at first a few fools complained that it "looks different" unlike some I never mentioned the classic theme in 7, guess what, all the whinging like a baby stopped once they started USING windows 7/8, hell there was more useless crying over the XP-7 change than the 7-8 changes Moral of the story, suck it up and get over it, the new UIs are just better in every way The new IU is worse in any way. The next OS I will install will be Windows 2000/ I am fed up with this Win7 crap. And even Win XP is of lower quality compared to Win 2000. DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anixx Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 What's even more ironic is that Windows 8's interface already contains significantly less transparency and glossiness by default, so why do we even need Classic? Obviously not to combat transparency. The Classic theme was designed for different graphics capabilities : no anti-aliasing, compatibility with low-color monitors, low resolutions, no subtle effects. It was a good for its time... but the reason it changed wasn't fashion and changing tastes. The reason it changed is because computers are better. A think which was better at older hardware will be exponentially better on newer hardware. I do not want those gigantic buttons and window borders to reduce my screen space roughly to the '90s era. If I buy a new computer, I expect more things to fit on the screen, not less or the same because somebody decided that newer monitor needs greater buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anixx Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yeah but the metro-style theme is an updated version of the classic theme. It's the same to me... So to answer the OP question, I say yes. It's called "metro" :p lol One important thing in the Classic theme is that it has 3D appearance and 3D button feedback. I simply cannot live without any 3D feedback. If I press a button and it does not get pressed, I instinctively press the mouse button harder and still feel this somehow did not work. I have to think every time "well, it did not get pressed, but this does not mean it not worked, it just changed the color..." etc. And these thoughts every time! What's even more ironic is that Windows 8's interface already contains significantly less transparency and glossiness by default, so why do we even need Classic? Well, Win10 interface looks more like Windows 1 from 1980. A humble style designed initially for very poor hardware: DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Well doo dah... Weird response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 The new IU is worse in any way. The next OS I will install will be Windows 2000/ I am fed up with this Win7 crap. And even Win XP is of lower quality compared to Win 2000. What the heck do you think you'll be able to run by installing that? One important thing in the Classic theme is that it has 3D appearance and 3D button feedback. I simply cannot live without any 3D feedback. If I press a button and it does not get pressed, I instinctively press the mouse button harder and still feel this somehow did not work. I have to think every time "well, it did not get pressed, but this does not mean it not worked, it just changed the color..." etc. And these thoughts every time! Windows Vista, 7, and 8.1 all have button "pressing" feedback. Buttons today work just the same as they did 15 years ago. Ian W and Anibal P 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 3, 2014 Subscriber² Share Posted November 3, 2014 What the heck do you think you'll be able to run by installing that? Windows Vista, 7, and 8.1 all have button "pressing". Office 97. Clippy included. IE 6. ICQ 2000. ... and all the other quality software from the era. Dot Matrix and The Evil Overlord 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anixx Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 What the heck do you think you'll be able to run by installing that? The same things as Windows XP. One can add DX9 (or even 11), ClearType support, Windows Restore, IPv6, .NET4.0, arranging icons by grid and other things to Win2000. It is essentially the same OS as WinXP but of higher quality and less bugs. Windows Vista, 7, and 8.1 all have button "pressing" feedback. Buttons today work just the same as they did 15 years ago. Even Start orb, taskbar, window close buttons? In Aero - no. Also in Aero(and other non-clessic themes) there is no support for ClearType on the taskbar which is in itself is highly annoying (it is just one of the myriads of bugs in Win7). But it has been already mentioned that the Classic theme is still in Win10 albeit hidden, so the main problem of Windows Vista+ for me is not Aero? but totally crapped file manager. Once ReactOS succeeds with re-writing Explorer, I may consider switching to Win10 or leter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 The same things as Windows XP. One can add DX9 (or even 11), ClearType support, Windows Restore, IPv6, .NET4.0, arranging icons by grid and other things to Win2000. It is essentially the same OS as WinXP but of higher quality and less bugs. Even Start orb, taskbar, window close buttons? In Aero - no. Also in Aero(and other non-clessic themes) there is no support for ClearType on the taskbar which is in itself is highly annoying (it is just one of the myriads of bugs in Win7). But it has been already mentioned that the Classic theme is still in Win10 albeit hidden, so the main problem of Windows Vista+ for me is not Aero? but totally crapped file manager. Once ReactOS succeeds with re-writing Explorer, I may consider switching to Win10 or leter. I have to surmise based on your join date and posts that you are someone's troll account, nothing you have posted has made any logical sense whatsoever Brandon H and Dot Matrix 2 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbrilliant Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I'm just leaving this here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Bodnaruk Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 check this out guys & gals, classic remade for WindowBlinds by Frogboy. :) http://www.wincustomize.com/explore/windowblinds/2957/ running it in windows 8.1 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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