St. Louis PD Fatally Shoot Teen, Family Claims He Was Unarmed

[DocM]

Boy vs Cop scores: 3:17,

so for every single shot, the officer respond 5 times more??

Because,

1) a great many officers still carry lower powered firearms (.38, 9mm etc.) which seldom stop an attacker with a single shot and,

2) the ineffectiveness of these firearms in a 1986 Florida shootout between the FBI and 2 perps, where 2 agents were killed and 5 injured and,

3) a great many other incidents similar to 2),

caused a major revamp in firearms tactical training. Now most all officers (and civilians who carry) are thought to fire in 2-3 shot volleys (AKA double-tap or triple-tap). Often 3 shots.

This because it often takes several bullets to incapacitate an attacker. In the FBI incident the 2 attackers kept firing until after they'd been hit 6 and 12 times. Think about that a minute.

Being fired at 3 times by some miscreant could easily result in several volleys being fired in response. A 9mm magazine often carries 15-17 rounds, so the officer could empty it with a few volleys.

The important part is that the officer was able to return home to his family alive instead of in a body bag. A good day by any measure.

[xendrome]

And lets be honest... does it matter how many times you fire at someone who was just trying to kill you?

[Skiver Veteran]

I've always been under the impression that the US Police Officers were taught to shoot to kill. If this person posses a credible threat to them or others then unfortunately they need to be stopped before they can hurt the office or others.

 

I'm sure if this person was shot once and then continued to fire and hurt others their would be uproar over how the office didn't do enough, they will never win in the eyes of the public/media.

[Nagisan]

Because,

1) a great many officers still carry lower powered firearms (.38, 9mm etc.) which seldom stop an attacker with a single shot and,

2) the ineffectiveness of these firearms in a 1986 Florida shootout between the FBI and 2 perps, where 2 agents were killed and 5 injured and,

3) a great many other incidents similar to 2),

caused a major revamp in firearms tactical training. Now most all officers (and civilians who carry) are thought to fire in 2-3 shot volleys (AKA double-tap or triple-tap). Often 3 shots.

This because it often takes several bullets to incapacitate an attacker. In the FBI incident the 2 attackers kept firing until after they'd been hit 6 and 12 times. Think about that a minute.

Being fired at 3 times by some miscreant could easily result in several volleys being fired in response. A 9mm magazine often carries 15-17 rounds, so the officer could empty it with a few volleys.

The important part is that the officer was able to return home to his family alive instead of in a body bag. A good day by any measure.

4) The story says the boys gun jammed, so that "3:17" score that Torolol posted would have been different (in that it would have been 3+:17) had the perpetrators gun not jammed.

[123456789A]

It's always fun for people who have no idea how systems like these work to couch quarterback stuff. Mudslag is at least sensable in this manor

 

I can tell you this, Taser is the leading body camera provider right now. The system they offer incorporates docking stations that charge and download all video (they currently use Amazon S3 for storage) from the body cameras when the cameras are docked. Each user of the cameras only have the ability to view their video from their bluetooth linked cell phone through their Evidence Manager app on iOS or Android. Once docked the videos are then only viewable from the http://www.evidence.com dashboard, all Views/Downloads/Notes etc are logged (if even allowed to be done) and there is a complete audit trail of every item/action that is taken. Typically there are 1 or 2 people who are in charge of setting up user accounts (administrators) and also setting up retention periods. They do not have access to modify audit logs.

 

One thing you guys have to understand also is, they do not record 24/7, the officer must doubletap the battery back on their belt to start the camera. Most agency policies give the officer the discretion to activate the camera or not. The issue is with body cameras a situation can change so fast that you only have time to react and do not even think about activating your camera. So having a policy that states an officer must activate their camera when a situation arises is going to at least get people written up for failure to follow policy, or at worse, killed for not reacting properly to a deadly situation.

 

As said above, the cameras can hurt a bad cop or help a good cop, and can also provide crucial evidence to convict.

 

If anyone has any questions about them specifically just ask and I will answer.

 

That's decent, but Robocop has state of the art on board computer assisted memory, which is admissible as evidence in a court of law.