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hi guys, good to have this back up and alive!

Shotta, you're in luck. i've barely been gaming lately for personal issues so you may still catch up to me, well maybe not since there's like 72K points between us :D

and Ferson is right on the money Army of Two is not only an awesome game, especially for five bucks, but it's a good point earner, you will easily get 700-800 out of it.

Sir Neo, i'll prolly never catch up to you. LOL I can go to Walmart to the $5 bin and get tons of crap games and still never catch up to you! :cry:

hey, im still here...been slacking with the gamerscore...been having too much fun.

I'm guessing your username is in your sig but i have Sigs turned off - i'll go check it out and add you to Live. I haven't played much this weekend (finishing up some older games too that i never got to play since 2008!! :D)

I'm still waiting on that Neowin squad for X game one day so we could all play together.

Hey Shotta! you never know, anything's possible as far as catching up :woot:

plus, recent events have put things into perspective for me..i'm not saying it's the right perspective, but gaming has taken somewhat of a backseat recently. anyway, glad you're now finally playing games from 2008 :rofl: i think you forgot some stuff from the heady days of fall 2006...man i miss those times.

i don't think we'll get that neowin squad...it was merely a dream... :cry:

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Hi Vyk, good seeing you here again and congrats on finally passing me...on the other leaderboard :rofl:

you're close to 80K...but TA is slighly laggy. i passed 80K thanks to Spec Ops the line yesterday...or was it earlier today? :|

Laggy? Your achievements have not been registered since July 1st. Get there, log yourself in and force a recompute of the game score.

I am going to get bumped back to 8th but that's ok. It is not as if I did not have a pile of shame to milk for achievements

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Certainly, you have more than 400 points not properly registered in TrueAchievements yet. You are bound to pass me at some point but, for the time being, when I look at the leaderboard, I get this ...

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So, I've got the moves like Jagger, I've got the mooo-ooooo-ooooo-ves like Jagger ....

To answer your question, I am playing Deadlight: nice puzzle/platformer game, much better than Limbo.

Tried the Left 4 Dead 2 Cold stream extension, fun to play L4D2 with my friends but there are no new achievements. Soemday, I wish Valve and Microsoft could try to talk to each other.

I am rediscovering my XBox: tired/bored/fed up/aggravated with Star Trek Online right now.

I think I am going to be brutal in the next four weeks. Objective: the gamescore starts with an 8.

Rookas lives!!! And yes, i think we can all agree this gen has overstayed its welcome, but it's still fun and we now know the next one is coming within the year so might as well enjoy ourselves.

Vyk: go for 80K dude! i think based on TA you will still be ahead of me because your achieves are worth more based on their calculations...you do tend to go for the harder ones and have more patience for gamesl like L4D2, which i hated!

But i'm over 81K now i believe...and Deadlight was great, awesome story, superb writing that made me cry, nice take on the Cold War era, really good feel...but the mechanics were lacking, sometimes even infuriating. def better than Braid and Limbo tho, even better than Shadow Complex in my book for the sheer brilliance and the story and little touches/endless tributes to 80's culture etc.

Well, my master plan to get to 80K is taking water right now. I found Fallout 3 GOTY for Windows for a low price from a vendor hosted by Amazon UK. I wanted to do anther trip in F3.

Ordered it 10 days ago and nothing in the mail, serves me right for using Royal Mail. ...

hey Vyk, did the game finally show up? i think you can make 80K even without it. there's some good games coming out soon - Borderlands 2 and Sleeping Dogs, which is already out but i haven't gotten around to buying yet. i am slight re-invigorated in my gaming...hopefully can still make my goal of 90K by Jan 1, but it's not looking very likely :D

  • 2 weeks later...

Game finally showed up and I grinded it reasonably. Have not reached but 80K yet, I am at 79.5K. Even if you are missing points on TA, Neo, I have a sizeable advance on you, Neo, to enjoy the 6th place for some time ...

Actually, the 5th is not that far ....

hey Vyk - heh heh but that's TA points it's not actual Gamerscore, i'm still ahead in that :D

but yeah adding points quite slowly these days, amazing that since last year's goal i've only added 3K or so, used to be i'd get 1K per month. things change, heh.

glad your Fallout 3 got there, it's a great game and not bad for the score.

  • 3 weeks later...

Well, finally got my gamerscore starting with '8', it was funny to have a round gamerscore for a while, I did not remember the last time I had a GS with that many zeroes in it. It did not last very long but that was odd.

Still, there are some people to beat

Hey Vyk- how you doing? and congrats on passing 80K finally! :)

you may very well catch up to me even in the real gamerscore department as i'm not very active at all unfortunately....i think i went up by like 4K since the beginning of the year! hahaha back in the day my average was 1K/month!

as for our peers here, it seems we are the last two still showing an interest...man i miss the heady days of 2006-2009...those were good times, even if we did fight half the time! memories...they're the ultimate taunt :cry:

  • 1 month later...

As much as this thread is lacking of activity, the activity in the leaderboard is still good as shown in the capture of the near top. Compared to the image from 3 months ago, places have been shuffled..*

Still young at heart ....

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what the heck Vyk, you're blasting past me! thanks for posting this. yes, our brethren are quiet though old Rob is coming up on 119K from what i saw last night. i'm saddened that PabUK The Founder is not posting anymore, and his score has not gone up much either...

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are you new McKay? if so, welcome aboard! how many people do we have on that usurper of a leaderboard anyway?

And congrats to Rob for making 120K, it took a while coming but he did it! I still hope the make 85K by the end of the year, but it looks rather unlikely!

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Just finished the solo campaign of Crysis 3, a beautiful and fun game, much more accessible than Crysis 2 was, but really, really too short.

Currently around 84300 points and spending time on Mass Effect 3 or Modern Warfare 3 in Multiplayer.

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