Windows Vista is 'Half Baked'

[zerologic]

Windows XP feels like a mature, stable and dependent Operating System. Windows Vista feels 'Half Baked'.

Agree? Disagree?

[random_n]

I use it six days of the week, and generally enjoy it, but I still have to agree. I'd say the most fully cooked OS Microsoft has released would be Server 2003 R2, though I still have yet to really dig in to Server 2008.

At this point I'd rather see Windows 6.1 than Windows 7.

[Cara Veteran]

Afraid I'm going to have to disagree... I don't think Microsoft put nearly enough effort into Vista to be considered 'Half' baked... Vista has proven to be an industry wide failure that in order to propagate its usage Microsoft is forcing it down consumer's throats. Luckily most corporations retain downgrade rights and have made the call to stay with XP long after the official discontinuation of XP sales.

[AltecXP]

Windows XP feels like a mature, stable and dependent Operating System. Windows Vista feels 'Half Baked'.

Agree? Disagree?

XP has 7yrs of updates in it, Vista has 1

Luckily most corporations retain downgrade rights and have made the call to stay with XP long after the official discontinuation of XP sales.

Really? cuz my company (over 1800 people) is moving to Vista this year, and MS has said nothing to us to promote us to switch to Vista. We are also rolling out Office 2007 in 3 months.

Any company staying with XP is just outdated.

[Cara Veteran]

XP has 7yrs of updates in it, Vista has 1

Really? cuz my company (over 1800 people) is moving to Vista this year, and MS has said nothing to us to promote us to switch to Vista. We are also rolling out Office 2007 in 3 months.

Any company staying with XP is just outdated.

Really? I'd love to know your business justification as to why Windows Vista is a better business platform than Windows XP? During a 6 month evaluation, a large Enterprise Caliber Corporation with approximately 24,000 users found absolutely no desirable value to Windows Vista over Windows XP in an Enterprise Environment. When you consider that most large companies work on a 3 to 5 year lifecycle with their equipment, the additional cost of upgrading near EOL system to support Vista would be astronomical. This company is a Microsoft Academic Select 3 Partner also so their upgrade to Windows Vista was covered under their current license agreement at no additional cost, yet even with that incentive Vista is, to this day, an unapproved and non-standard technology. The only reason I don't name names is because I don't feel it's appropriate to share their name without permission in public.

I've read considerably more stories about companies that refuse to upgrade to Vista than are going to.

Like I said, I've love to see the business justification for your company, it would make for an interesting comparison.

[Xerxes]

I disagree that Vista is half-baked and I'm running it on 2 machines with barely any major issues, very pleased with it on the whole :happy:

However, as a whole Vista is a failure, not because it's a bad OS but because it got such bad press/experiences everyone is avoiding it like the plague. My work for example is avoiding Vista like the plague and is planning to wait for Windows 7, many other companies are planning the same. Then there is the huge consumer backlash over the OS and I would be surprised if the demand for XP surged as a result of it.

The only "Half-baked" things about Vista was the marketing and launch of the OS, consumers have become very content of the very mature and stable XP (that is what happens when the OS hangs around for 7+ years) and people resist change, not to mention consumers are very critical of things these days. MS had/have a massive uphill battle to get people to move to Vista and they didn't even try...sure there are the problems with drivers but that is not MS's fault, they can't force third party companies to make drivers. Not to mention the whole driver issue is a catch 22 situation, companies like Nvidia refused to make drivers for Vista because there was no demand for it, but people will only upgrade to Vista is there are drivers already available. The same could happen to Windows 7 if MS don't pull their socks up and they better because people have high expectations of 7 (as many seem to assume cause Vista failed, 7 will be very good). Naturally this is only my opinion so take with a grain of salt.

[slippery]

Now, just to incorporate vista into this.......

[zerologic]

Afraid I'm going to have to disagree... I don't think Microsoft put nearly enough effort into Vista to be considered 'Half' baked... Vista has proven to be an industry wide failure that in order to propagate its usage Microsoft is forcing it down consumer's throats. Luckily most corporations retain downgrade rights and have made the call to stay with XP long after the official discontinuation of XP sales.

So Vista is at best 'Quarter Baked'? I guess I haven't used it enough or will use it enough to come to that conclusion, but I got a feeling it's accurate.

[zerologic]

XP has 7yrs of updates in it, Vista has 1

Rubbish utter rubbish. I'm sorry, I don't often get angry but that is really plain rubbish.

Shouldn't Microsoft have learned from 7 years of experience with Windows XP and made that the foundation (not code, ideas & experience) for Windows Vista? Very poor performance from Microsoft, a company who's bread and butter is Windows.

[NEVER85]

Ridiculous thread. Vista isn't half-baked by any stretch, and it's a good deal more pleasant to use than the dinosaur that is XP.

[EnzoFX]

+1 on the ridiculous thread.

The only reason Vista isn't doing well is because it's not a HUGE leap forward from XP (What do people expect? Minority Report?). I and most people here (I think) will however agree that it's still a leap forward, and technically better. Techinically, remember, are we really going to backwards think this?

This reason is why business aren't justifying the purchase. It's been like this since the first windows, and will always be this way. Some will move quicker to the new OS than others...

[zerologic]

Hehe. I will wait and see what comes after Vista. Vista is not for me. Sorry Mr Microsoft.

[NienorGT]

To a certain extent it's true that Vista didn't come out with all what it was suppose to be (WinFS for example) and have lot of true issues (Slot Transfer files....)

But people still forget how XP sucked in it first years....

People joke about Vista is WinME2 and in 2003 people was joking about XP was 2K with ME junk and fisherprice look...

I think it's more looking like people's comments that are mostly half baked.

I can bet that people will like more Vista over Seven.

[Raa]

I've read considerably more stories about companies that refuse to upgrade to Vista than are going to.

I know an enterprise business that's refusing to move to Vista.... Approx 100,000 computers.

Also looking to move to OpenOffice too!

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

argh, enough with the vista bashing threads! face it, XP is old, let it go.

[Tikimotel]

Vista is half-baked (marketing wise).

Why do users feel Vista is half-baked then? Driver support!!!

Users with new hardware (and drivers that work) and with the intention of replacing old devices think Vista is alright.

Users with hardware that is not supported or do not want to replace 1 year old devices think Vista is an epic fail and feel let down by Microsoft.

Marketing a 32bit version was a major fail.

This lead to "vista capable" disaster.

16bit application support was dropped, why not take a big leap and go fully for 64bit? The magic words Market share is your answer. To many possible consumers still ran old hardware and software they want to be able to use. But...most old hardware ran into Vista driver support problems...Epic fail!!! Consumers who bought Vista started complaining (remember the nvidia and creative driver issues??)

This also made driver development very hard for third parties, supporting both 32bit and 64bit when a major changes in kernelmode and usermode was introduced in Windows Vista. Basically with Windows 2000 to Windows XP the drivers are the same drivers and development teams could keep up. A 32bit driver for Windows XP could not be copied and made into a Vista 32bit driver overnight. Plus the fact that the whole drivermodel was not set until the last month before Vista (business user) release, this caused a major delay in driver support by third parties.

[Ji@nBing]

Your face is half baked!! :p JK.

I don't know how many times it has to be said for you people to get it through your thick skulls, but it was the same thing when XP came out. It took a few years for it to mature (SP2) and for people to finally ditch Win2k for it. We're seeing the same thing here with Vista.

[excalpius]

Troll Poll

Nothing to see here...move along.

[Tantawi]

argh, enough with the vista bashing threads! face it, XP is old, let it go.

+1

Not because XP is old, nothing wrong with that (at least for now), but Vista is way better and more reliable than XP, and performs much better on moder systems for everyday tasks, mind you the 1-3 fps loss in games!! oh big deal.

[HawkMan]

for anyon looking to use the enetrprise excuse. Most business and corporations didn't migrate to XP untill XP was a lot older than Vista is now, heck many didn't moe to XP untill the the last few years and several are still on 2000.

This has less to do about OS maturity and whatnot than i does cost in anyway.

In any case Vista is more fully baked than XP, going back to using XP computers after vista feels like going back a gneration. Sure XP was stable and nice for it's time. but Vista is more stable, it's nicer, and for the regular users it's easier to work with even if a few things like network management requires a few more steps for the more experienced. sometimes usability isn't about getting to advanced sttings in one click, actually it rarely is.

Oh and Vista has worked fine on old hardware too for me, even an old Nforce3 that Nvidia decided they weren't going to support anymore.

[mad_onion]

i don't know what people expect windows 7 to be like but it's actually going to be pretty similar to vista. so if you don't like vista for some reason that i can't work out then you probably aren't going to like 7.

if the reason is that it requires a good computer to run then you will have an even bigger problem with 7. if the problem is that it doesn't have the driver and software support then that might get sorted more by the time 7 comes out as pretty much anything that works on vista will work on 7 as they're going to be very similar.

[-Vivicidal-]

XP was old. Microsoft had to release something. (I got into Linux because there had been no new Windows versions for years and it felt like it was lagging behind.)

[+InsaneNutter MVC]

Users with new hardware (and drivers that work) and with the intention of replacing old devices think Vista is alright.

Users with hardware that is not supported or do not want to replace 1 year old devices think Vista is an epic fail and feel let down by Microsoft.

Exactly, Vista on my old Athlon XP 3200+ pc ran horrible even though it exceeded the minimum requirements, on my new Core2Duo machine the 64bit version is running fantastic!

Of course XP is going to run better unless you have a new machine, let?s have a look at the system requirements:

Windows XP:

? Pentium 233-megahertz (MHz) processor or faster (300 MHz is recommended)

? At least 64 megabytes (MB) of RAM (128 MB is recommended)

? At least 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available space on the hard disk

? Video adapter and monitor with Super VGA (800 x 600)or higher resolution

Windows Vista:

? 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor

? 1 GB of system memory

? 40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space

? Support for DirectX 9 graphics with: WDDM Driver, 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum), Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware, 32 bits per pixel

In a few years time people will be moaning about Windows 7 been horrible and saying Vista is so great, I remember the same thing when XP was first released.

[.tony]

It's fine, just not a huge leap for 6-7 years.

Then again, some people think it is, with them getting "confused" over the new Explorer layout... All I can say to that is psh.

People complain too much because they can't use things properly.

[+b0b0]

I would have to agree that Windows Vista is half baked. I am running it on Intel Quad 2.4, 8 GB of RAM, 1TB HDD, nVidia 9800GT and it runs like ****ing ****. Thats why I use Linux. It's better.