How to run OSX and NOT on a Mac

[Pilsbury]

Get an IBM RS/6000 and install YellowDogLinux...

Then install MacOnLinux...

Q: Does MOL run on non-Apple hardware?

A: It does. MOL runs for instance on the Pegasos board, the Teron board and on AmigaOne hardware. In short, MOL should run on any PowerPC hardware (with the except of 601-based systems). However, the EULA of MacOS prohibits its usage on non-Apple hardware (it is of course perfectly legal to use MOL to boot a second Linux though).

:D

[memNOC]

duh.

[kairon]

How much is Pegasos/Teron/AmigaOne?Ahh, the Amiga...I have fond memories of playing Test Drive (the original version that spawned countless 3d sequels on the PC) with a Joystick on one :)

[vincent]

  kairon said:

How much is Pegasos/Teron/AmigaOne?Ahh, the Amiga...I have fond memories of playing Test Drive (the original version that spawned countless 3d sequels on the PC) with a Joystick on one :)

oh never mind

[blackice912 Veteran]

  Pilsbury said:

Get an IBM RS/6000...

Starting at $3,599! :pinch:

[dougkinzinger]

who cares enough to do this?? i know, i know, it's just to prove you can do it.

[kryptonik]

Why would I want to run OS X on a product other than Macintosh? ;)

[Pilsbury]

  KrypToniK said:

Why would I want to run OS X on a product other than Macintosh? ;)

Oh I don't know, some of the big IBM machines may be just a tad quicker than the G5's ;)

[Statikk]

You would probably have compatibility issues coming out your ears though seeing as how OSX was designed to run on a closed set of hardware.

[Pilsbury]

Runs fine on the RS/6000 my mate got for free from work when it was being retired...

[the evn show]

  Pilsbury said:

Oh I don't know, some of the big IBM machines may be just a tad quicker than the G5's ;)

OS X won't take advantage of more than two processors so running on a 32-way IBM server isn't much help. MoL does virtualization (the same way VirtualPC on x86 works) no say dynamic recompilation so you'd not see any more performance just because you have more processors.

The Power4 IS the IBM high-end performance chip right now. While the Power4 is designed for reliability, stability, and is incredibly quick - it's not designed to clock as high as the G5 will: in the near future you'll see G5s outpacing it's power4 grandfather. Of course IBM has the power5 under development. (as mentioned: power4 systems cost more than G5s anyway). You'd also be missing altivec on everything other than the G5/G4 - again that isn't going to help performance.

Pilsbury: Don't suppose you could get a few benchmarkts from your friend? ps7bench is popular right now, and if it sees a 3D card maybe you could run Unreal Tournament.

[Pilsbury]

MacOnLinux doesn't do virtualisation at all. All the calls to the processor are native PPC calls. That's why it only runs on PPC....

From their site:

Mac-on-Linux makes it possible to run Mac OS (including OS X) under Linux/ppc. MOL is not an emulator but runs runs the OS directly without any CPU emulation. Moreover, NO ROM IMAGE is required.

It's worth noting as well that the Power4+ machines have a lot more cache than the G4 or G5 do...

[the evn show]

  Pilsbury said:

MacOnLinux doesn't do virtualisation at all. All the calls to the processor are native PPC calls. That's why it only runs on PPC....

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That's why I said virtualization and not emulation

Unless my understandy is way off, Virtual PC on x86 doesn't do emulation either: it does virtualization. Programs like soft mac, basilisk, fusion are all 68k emulators.

Virtual PC on Mac OS is equivilant to Fusion on x86, and MoL would be about the same as VirtualPC on x86.

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It's worth noting as well that the Power4+ machines have a lot more cache than the G4 or G5 do...

Indeed, that's why I asked for benchmarks :)

Granted Power5 will be out Real Soon Now and by all accounts it's supposed to be disturbingly fast, but in the mean time it'd be interesting to see how well it works on whatever ibm gear we can get a hold of.

[Pilsbury]

MacOnLinux accesses the processor directly, using native PPC instructions.

There is NO virtualisation at all.

So, it's nothing like VirtualPC in that respect.

[Landshark77]

Just go out and buy you a Mac. You will be glad you did. :D

www.apple.com/store

[Pilsbury]

  DaMarcoE said:

Just go out and buy you a Mac. You will be glad you did. :D

www.apple.com/store

I've got a 15" 1GHz PowerBook, a Dual 1.4 GHz G4 Cube, a 2.13GHz G4 (overclocked 1.4GHz upgrade card), a TAM, and have a Dual 2GHz G5 ordered - I think that's enough Macs to do me for now.

But, thanks for the suggestion... :yes:

[the evn show]

  Pilsbury said:

There is NO virtualisation at all.

I disagree - I think maybe you're confused on the terms?

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MacOnLinux accesses the processor directly, using native PPC instructions.

That's what makes it virtualization as apposed to emulation.

I can't find anywhere specifically on the MoL site that calls it virtualization (they are very clear it is NOT emulation) however it's been pointed out several times on the MoL mailing list, the first i can find is here:

http://maconlinux.org/lists/mol-general/December00/0098.html

Also, wikipedia has it listed as a virtualization application on it's "list of emulators"

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emulators

The BEST source of info I can find on the topic is this o'rielly interview with one of the NetBSD developers.

http://www.onlamp.com/lpt/a/3096

NetBSD runs everywhere, but it also runs "everything" (Linux, solaris, and BSD binaries, and now even os x binaries - sans cocoa/carbon/etc) through binary compatibility. He discusses the differences between binary compatibility, virtualization, and emualation so I think this is a pretty good resource.

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So, it's nothing like VirtualPC in that respect.

VirtualPC on x86 runs exactly like that - which is what I've been saying all along. You could say VMWare if you'd prefer but it's the same thing.

EDIT: fixed bad quotes

[aaron901]

  Pilsbury said:

  DaMarcoE said:

Just go out and buy you a Mac. You will be glad you did.? :DD

www.apple.com/store

I've got a 15" 1GHz PowerBook, a Dual 1.4 GHz G4 Cube, a 2.13GHz G4 (overclocked 1.4GHz upgrade card), a TAM, and have a Dual 2GHz G5 ordered - I think that's enough Macs to do me for now.

But, thanks for the suggestion... :yes::

haha you Mac freak!! :happy::

btw, 1.4GHz overclocked to 2.13GHz? that's :woot:: :woot::

[kairon]

didn't know you could overclock macs...how did you do it?

[WS togermano]

screw this beos (yellowtab) is the next macosx for PC

[Pilsbury]

  WS togermano said:

screw this beos (yellowtab) is the next macosx for PC

Next as in was going to be during Beta?

[Pilsbury]

  kairon said:

didn't know you could overclock macs...how did you do it?

It's a GigaDesigns G4 upgrade card.

Runs very stabily at 2.13GHz....

Sits at 48c too