official F1 World Championship 2012 Thread

[Lingwo]

A great weekend of racing and what a nice track it was. I think the open corners really allowed some nice overtakes. Only black mark for the whole weekend was Ferrari's dirty tactics. While it isn't against the rules what they did, it wasn't fair on Massa who worked hard to get that qualifying position to then be pushed back so Alonso has a better chance. I understand on the track if Alonso caught up to Massa, perhaps let him through a bit easier. That makes sense but to purposely damage his gearbox so he drops back 5 places and also ruin a few other drivers hard work.

I honestly don't think any other team on the grid would do that. I think even Red Bull would say let them race but don't fight too hard. I thought Alonso this year deserved the championship because of how well he drove and consistently got points. Now i hope Vettel wins and Massa finishes higher than Alonso in Brazil.

[KiHu]

anyway: even if alonso wins in interlagos, which is highly unlikely, vettel will be able to finish in 4th place for sure.

You just watch,

Massa is going to take Vettel out.

heard it here first.

[simonlang]

You just watch,

Massa is going to take Vettel out.

heard it here first.

... and only you think it wouldnt result in a heavy penalty ...

massa and webber might be usefull to hold a place in the points but problem is: webber is too slow and if massa is in front of alonso, ferrari will again unseal his gearbox.

[Dan~]

Qualification results for Brazil

1. Webber

2. Alonso

3. Kimi

4. Vettel

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Coca-Cola's Burn brand to sponsor Lotus Formula 1 team

The Coca-Cola Company has confirmed it will sponsor the Lotus Formula 1 team through its Burn brand, as reported earlier by AUTOSPORT.

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Source: Autosport

[simonlang]

?Whining? Alonso has had ?very good? Ferrari in 2012 says Marko

Dr Helmut Marko, Red Bull?s outspoken driver manager, has scoffed at the paddock?s depiction of Fernando Alonso as the great title underdog.

The Austrian admitted to Auto Bild Motorsport that he has taken exception to Spaniard Alonso?s repeated depiction of a David versus Goliath-style struggle against championship favourite Sebastian Vettel?s vastly superior Red Bull.

?Who had the best car at Hockenheim?? Marko asked rhetorically.

?The Ferrari is not as bad as everyone says it is.

?Maybe Fernando has not always had the fastest car, but he has certainly had a very good one throughout the season.

?If he (Alonso) says he is fighting with blunt weapons, then I think he really is whining on a very high level,? insisted Marko.

source

[MightyJordan]

^ Well-said, Helmut. (Y) If Fernando really wants to "fight with blunt weapons", he should race in an HRT or a Caterham.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Hardly well said, this years Ferrari has been a dog handling/performance wise yet Alonso is in title fight with the guy who has the fastest car on the grid by miles.

I hate Alonso but you can't deny that he has dragged that inconsistent Ferrari through 19 races.

[simonlang]

what i think is a given is that the ferrari is by far the most reliable car and has a very solid race pace.

ask vettel about the alternator in his car or hami about the gearbox in his car.... they both lost probably between 80 and 100 points this year because of technical problems, while alonso and ferrari lost zero!

how vettel managed to turn arround a over 40 points deficit in a solid lead in the championship is quite sensational.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Hardly sensational when you have the fastest car on the grid.

[simonlang]

again: the fastest car means nothing if you dont finish the races. vettel lost probably between 80 and 100 points in total this year because of the alternator failures. alonso had perfect reliability. lost zero points there.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Um, its not like Alonso hasn't lost points this year, he retired at Suzuka after Kimi punctured his tyre, then there was the massive smash at Spa which took him out through no fault of his own, that's 50 points lost straight away.

Vettel has retired twice this year, as many times as Alonso has.

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[simonlang]

penalty for maldonado. lol this is the 3rd race in a row alonso gets gifted at least 1 grid position. i wonder why they even qualify.. better just let alonso chose the position he wants to start from. :rolleyes:

[Noir Angel]

http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/06962

The difference in points losses isn't actually that big. And Alonso may have had better reliability but he's also made fewer mistakes. Challenging the title is easy when you have one of the fastest cars, it's harder in a bad car, and almost everything Alonso has achieved this season apart from the tactical switch made by Ferrari at the last race he's done so entirely on his own merit.

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[simonlang]

http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/06962

The difference in points losses isn't actually that big. And Alonso may have had better reliability but he's also made fewer mistakes. Challenging the title is easy when you have one of the fastest cars, it's harder in a bad car, and almost everything Alonso has achieved this season apart from the tactical switch made by Ferrari at the last race he's done so entirely on his own merit.

Yeah.. Ferrari is just good for p7 or p8 as today has shown and Alonso is repeating every weekend since suzuka. Oh wait look at massa who is p5 and much closer to the front :p:P:P

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Whoa. What a chaotic race already. :blink:

[simonlang]

how pathetic is alonso? discuss...

getting gifted everything, another race everything is going for him since lap 1...

but still... you cant beat DA MAN....

VETTEL 3 TIMES WORLD CHAMPION!!!! AWESOME RACE AND AWESOME FIGHT!

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Man of the race: Sebastian Vettel

Reject of the race: Bruno Senna

Congratulations to Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull Racing.

[macmax]

Feel sad for Hulkenberg

[TheLegendOfMart]

how pathetic is alonso? discuss...

getting gifted everything, another race everything is going for him since lap 1...

but still... you cant beat DA MAN....

VETTEL 3 TIMES WORLD CHAMPION!!!! AWESOME RACE AND AWESOME FIGHT!

No.

[simonlang]

No.

then i try different:

would massa won this race if he was allowed to RACE and not having drop 3-4 seconds many laps of the race to WAIT for alonso? :p

soooo happy now. this was the 2nd race after abu dhabi which was meant to go totally WRONG for vettel but he kept his cool and pulled of a wonder.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Can't wait for the season that Vettel gets a crap car, bet you will switch favourite drivers faster than the current Red Bull is.

[simonlang]

Can't wait for the season that Vettel gets a crap car...

you might have to wait much longer than the face of alonso is right now. :p