os x OS X Mountain Lion Discussion

[Glassed Silver]

Would love to see the hide toolbar pill button return, or even if they allowed an Option-click/right click on the full screen button to hide the application toolbar.

e.g. Left-click the fullscreen button to see more, right-click to see less. Makes sense, no?

I loved the ablity to make applications less cluttered via a simple button click, now this option is hidden away in a menu. :/

In addition to the shortcut way, there is also this:

Click to view my post with a solution in another (older) thread

Cheers!

Glassed Silver:mac

[BajiRav]

Umm XP had Home Edition, Professional, Professional x64, Media Center, Tablet PC, Embedded, N versions of the former and I'm sure I'm missing one...

Only Home and Pro were actually sold in stores.

[Quillz]

I wonder why that is? Even though there are possibilities to get Windows versions cheaper than the regular retail price many just don't know about them and in most cases it's still more expensive than an OS X upgrade. Not to mention with the App Store things really couldn't be easier.

I figure it's just because most people aren't "techies." They just use the OS that comes with their PC and never upgrade. Especially with older people, I've found the mentality is if it works, never change it.

Umm XP had Home Edition, Professional, Professional x64, Media Center, Tablet PC, Embedded, N versions of the former and I'm sure I'm missing one...

As stated, only two of those were actually sold as boxed retail copies, though. And many of the other variations, like the "n" editions, were only made as the result of anti-trust decisions and only sold in certain countries. ("n" was exactly the same as every other version except it lacked Windows Media Player.)

[.Neo]

I figure it's just because most people aren't "techies." They just use the OS that comes with their PC and never upgrade. Especially with older people, I've found the mentality is if it works, never change it.

Yet a lot of simple folk apparently upgraded to OS X Lion.

[neo1911]

Loads of bugs in DP2.

1. Wallpaper resets on every reboot.

2. After you make iTunes full screen, come out of full screen mode. The top left menu bar crashes. Same happens sometimes in Safari as well.

3. Logs me out randomly.

4. It is showing software update for Epson Printer which I don't have. When I click on update, nothing happens.

5. Try downloading bootcamp software and save to disk, it downloads for a minute and then crashes.

[Glassed Silver]

Yet a lot of simple folk apparently upgraded to OS X Lion.

Macs are traditionally being upgraded way quicker than Windows PCs.

I guess the advantages are advertised better or people just care more about it.

I don't know. Maybe it's that features that get added are more exposed in a "in your face" kind of style, so people have a direct and easy comparison.

[...]

4. It is showing software update for Epson Printer which I don't have. When I click on update, nothing happens.

[...]

Check your basement, maybe ML comes with a free printer.

Glassed Silver:mac

[Rosyna]

Loads of bugs in DP2.

1. Wallpaper resets on every reboot.

2. After you make iTunes full screen, come out of full screen mode. The top left menu bar crashes. Same happens sometimes in Safari as well.

3. Logs me out randomly.

4. It is showing software update for Epson Printer which I don't have. When I click on update, nothing happens.

5. Try downloading bootcamp software and save to disk, it downloads for a minute and then crashes.

http://bugreport.apple.com

[.Neo]

Macs are traditionally being upgraded way quicker than Windows PCs.

I guess the advantages are advertised better or people just care more about it.

Maybe it's because you only have one version priced at ?24 offered through the App Store.

[Glassed Silver]

Maybe it's because you only have one version priced at ?24 offered through the App Store.

Note that I said "traditionally".

What I mean is that this has been the case for years, not just since Lion.

Glassed Silver:mac

[.Neo]

Note that I said "traditionally".

What I mean is that this has been the case for years, not just since Lion.

Glassed Silver:mac

Let me put it this way then: Traditionally OS X has always been priced lower and there has always been just one consumer version.

[Glassed Silver]

Let me put it this way then: Traditionally OS X has always been priced lower and there has always been just one consumer version.

Yes, but I doubt that's the actual reason.

It might push things a little bit, but I guess Mac users are more dedicated to the platform (as are the developers) as you actually "chose" a Mac.

A lot, if not most users on the Windows platform get it, because it's just the standard and what's on about 99% of the machines sold in the stores.

So I guess getting a Mac is a kind of filter against most users who just don't care. (Not judging, just stating what I think is the case)

So when you buy a Mac you know about the advantages for you compared to the "standard".

This often enough allows Mac developers to build specifically for "version current/version current minus one" and getting an incredibly huge market span still.

Glassed Silver:mac

[Quillz]

Yet a lot of simple folk apparently upgraded to OS X Lion.

Because a lot of Mac software tends to require the latest OS. Whereas with Windows, you can still run very old software even on Windows 7. But I think it's also just the fact that Windows runs on so much more hardware configurations, there comes a point in time where it's probably cheaper just to get new hardware entirely then try to modernize older hardware, which would including upgrading the OS.

[.Neo]

Yes, but I doubt that's the actual reason.

It might push things a little bit, but I guess Mac users are more dedicated to the platform (as are the developers) as you actually "chose" a Mac.

A little bit? OS X Snow Leopard was adopted faster than any other OS X version in history. OS X Lion broke that record once again most likely because it was even easier to obtain and perform the upgrade.

Because a lot of Mac software tends to require the latest OS. Whereas with Windows, you can still run very old software even on Windows 7.

The first sentence doesn't relate to the second one. Beyond that what you're saying is under the assumption that people constantly buy the latest software version, something I doubt.

[Brendando]

This second preview seems far snappier on my mid-2010 13" MPB, and I'm hugely grateful. The first preview wasn't outlandishly buggy by any means, but everything in the second seems smoother, particularly shut down times. Additionally I'm loving the UI changes in Safari. Hope the iOS unification is done completely, and I'm loving how easy all the iCloud stuff is now.

[Glassed Silver]

A little bit? OS X Snow Leopard was adopted faster than any other OS X version in history. OS X Lion broke that record once again most likely because it was even easier to obtain and perform the upgrade.

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High sale volumes in the first weeks are nice, of cause they are helped by a cheaper price, however, in the mid term, the adoption of latest/latest minus one has been stellar on the Mac for as long as I can remember.

Because a lot of Mac software tends to require the latest OS. Whereas with Windows, you can still run very old software even on Windows 7. But I think it's also just the fact that Windows runs on so much more hardware configurations, there comes a point in time where it's probably cheaper just to get new hardware entirely then try to modernize older hardware, which would including upgrading the OS.

The latest software requires the latest OS, because people upgraded to it.

It's actually that way around ;)

Because most devs target "latest minus one", not just rigorously "latest".

Glassed Silver:mac

[.Neo]

High sale volumes in the first weeks are nice, of cause they are helped by a cheaper price, however, in the mid term, the adoption of latest/latest minus one has been stellar on the Mac for as long as I can remember.

Not sure about that. While adoption rates on Mac are most definitely much higher (I can't remember I saw a Mac running OS X Cheetah recently) than on the PC I do have a sense that more people these days are inclined to upgrade. At college I used to see few people walking around with older OS X versions, not so much now anymore.

[Glassed Silver]

Not sure about that. While adoption rates on Mac are most definitely much higher (I can't remember I saw a Mac running OS X Cheetah recently) than on the PC I do have a sense that more people these days are inclined to upgrade. At college I used to see few people walking around with older OS X versions, not so much now anymore.

Indeed, it has increased by some extend, however, it has always been well above average. That's all I'm trying to say actually. (Y)

Glassed Silver:mac

[Shadrack]

So in the developer preview 2, does the iCloud Safari Tab syncing mean all your Safari pages that are open show up on your iOS devices? How does it handle multiple Safari windows if that is the case?

[Glassed Silver]

So in the developer preview 2, does the iCloud Safari Tab syncing mean all your Safari pages that are open show up on your iOS devices? How does it handle multiple Safari windows if that is the case?

I think that's pretty much what it is.

Multi-window will probably appear on iOS as just another bunch of tabs...

What I'm wondering though is:

As there is a maximum of 9 tabs on iOS, how will it handle the surplus of tabs that you might have?

Glassed Silver:mac

[Brendando]

So in the developer preview 2, does the iCloud Safari Tab syncing mean all your Safari pages that are open show up on your iOS devices? How does it handle multiple Safari windows if that is the case?

It hasn't worked like that for me on my 4S or my new iPad. All are set up with iCloud. Frankly, I'm a little flummoxed by it all. Perhaps the feature isn't completely implemented yet is all ? Anybody had any luck with it?

[neo1911]

Macs are traditionally being upgraded way quicker than Windows PCs.

I guess the advantages are advertised better or people just care more about it.

I don't know. Maybe it's that features that get added are more exposed in a "in your face" kind of style, so people have a direct and easy comparison.

Check your basement, maybe ML comes with a free printer.

Glassed Silver:mac

Apartments don't have basements :p

[BumbleBritches57]

what happens when apple reaches v11? you think it's going to be a ground-up redesign? i mean, OS X has been around forever now...

Theres no reason for a rewrite, and Windows is what, 30 years old now? Unix, the basis for OS X is 43 years old.

[PyX]

Can?t we talk about the new options and GUI changes in Developer Preview 2 instead of talking about why the adoption rate is great with Mac users ? :/

[.Neo]

Can?t we talk about the new options and GUI changes in Developer Preview 2 instead of talking about why the adoption rate is great with Mac users ? :/

Except for the Safari progress bar having a different loading animation I haven't seen any noticeable changes to Aqua. But if you found something else worth mentioning, by all means speak up...

[Shadrack]

It hasn't worked like that for me on my 4S or my new iPad. All are set up with iCloud. Frankly, I'm a little flummoxed by it all. Perhaps the feature isn't completely implemented yet is all ? Anybody had any luck with it?

Perhaps it isn't implemented in iOS yet, and only works between two Macs on the developer preview.