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I don?t think you?ll be able to update it when it?s released. They already made Snow Leopard upgradeable, this is their step forward.

You mean as it's not GM it won't update to 10.8.1 etc...?

Are the Finder Sidebar preferences broken for anyone else? I can toggle items on and off but the checkboxes won't stay checked (especially if I switch to another tab like Labels and back again). Not sure if it's a DP4 bug or a side effect of running on a hackintosh. Checkboxes are fine elsewhere.

Otherwise it's running pretty well. I like the new dock, but I'm not so keen on the new indicators. Bit too subtle for me. I think Apple are on a mission to cause eyestrain with their hatred of colour and contrast.

Apple FINALLY fixed the issue where you could only use lower-case letters for your home folder when setting up your Mac for the first time. I was honestly afraid this would make it into the GM.

Isn't this already possible in Lion and older versions? Or are you talking specifically about 10.8?

It'll be cool if it was going to cost 9.99.

You bloody cheapskate. Sorry but you know the first thing I said to my girlfriend when the price was announced?

"I guarantee the internet forums will end up with loads of people complaining that it's 20 bucks"

And wow. Seriously... 20 dollars is a pitance for anyone. And there's PLENTY in the new release to warrant it. You can stick with Lion. It's a great OS. But I've been using the Developer Previews and I'm sorry but 20 bucks is nothing for the features I've come to use in my working life.

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Isn't this already possible in Lion and older versions? Or are you talking specifically about 10.8?

Thought so too, I've been able to use upper/lower-case letters for my Home folder since Panther/Tiger (IIRC).

Isn't this already possible in Lion and older versions? Or are you talking specifically about 10.8?

From DP1 till DP3 the OS X Mountain Lion Setup Assistant had a bug where you suddenly couldn't use upper-case letters for your home folder. Apple fixed the bug in DP4.

You bloody cheapskate. Sorry but you know the first thing I said to my girlfriend when the price was announced?

"I guarantee the internet forums will end up with loads of people complaining that it's 20 bucks"

And wow. Seriously... 20 dollars is a pitance for anyone. And there's PLENTY in the new release to warrant it. You can stick with Lion. It's a great OS. But I've been using the Developer Previews and I'm sorry but 20 bucks is nothing for the features I've come to use in my working life.

But ?9.99 is close to the price mark of 20 dollars. And the date posted was before the price was announced. I'm not a cheap skate, I'm happy to pay for the same retail price as Lion, I was just saying it'll be cool if it was priced lower, which was more then enough a given because of the new 1 year cycle.

Anything is better then paying ?80 ~ ?120 for Windows 7/8 Professional.

You left out the pound sign so people wrongfully assumed you were talking about US dollars and didn't bother to read any further. ;)

Yep, I did clarify it after two-three posts. My bad :p

Also, been playing around DP4, and I played with the new tab manager in Safari, pretty neat.

I think ?13.99 is a bargain. I've spent more than that on single iOS apps let alone a major operating system release. I'm quite looking forward to notification centre and Siri on my Mac. I've not tried any of the Mountain Lion betas yet either so when it is released next month it will all feel quite fresh to me.

It'll be cool if it was going to cost 9.99.

I think ?13.99 is a bargain. I've spent more than that on single iOS apps let alone a major operating system release. I'm quite looking forward to notification centre and Siri on my Mac. I've not tried any of the Mountain Lion betas yet either so when it is released next month it will all feel quite fresh to me.

It's not Siri but only voice dictation and it's working pretty good over here :)

Does anyone else feel that iBooks should be on ML too? I could check my highlighted notes in my textbooks and they could sync this through iCloud, one of those niche features I'd really love.

It's not Siri but only voice dictation and it's working pretty good over here :)

Does anyone else feel that iBooks should be on ML too? I could check my highlighted notes in my textbooks and they could sync this through iCloud, one of those niche features I'd really love.

Although it isn't Siri it's using the same Siri dictation where by it sends your audio to Apples servers which then process it and send it back to your computer as text, that is what I meant.

You bloody cheapskate. Sorry but you know the first thing I said to my girlfriend when the price was announced?

"I guarantee the internet forums will end up with loads of people complaining that it's 20 bucks"

And wow. Seriously... 20 dollars is a pitance for anyone. And there's PLENTY in the new release to warrant it. You can stick with Lion. It's a great OS. But I've been using the Developer Previews and I'm sorry but 20 bucks is nothing for the features I've come to use in my working life.

Remember how people complained when Growl was $2? People would complain if Mountain Lion was being sold for $0.99. People just love to complain.

Is it always recommended to do clean installs of OS X even when on SSD or is it good to just upgrade? I was a Windows user and this will be my first OS X upgrade from Lion to Mountain Lion and I know with Windows I always used to do a fresh install on new versions (probably because it always came out like 2/3 years later or something like that) my OS X install has only been on my machine since like February you see.

Remember how people complained when Growl was $2? People would complain if Mountain Lion was being sold for $0.99. People just love to complain.

Growl is going to become pretty much useless with OS X notification center now right?

I am pretty excited about some of the changes on Mountain Lion, I think Apple are doing a great job and some of the new features are small but very beneficial for me, especially putting iMessage into OS X now, it will be so much easier to reply to iMessages on my iPhone when its sitting in a dock next to my iMac and you can't complain with the price, ?13.99 is really nothing.. good work Apple!

Is it always recommended to do clean installs of OS X even when on SSD or is it good to just upgrade? I was a Windows user and this will be my first OS X upgrade from Lion to Mountain Lion and I know with Windows I always used to do a fresh install on new versions (probably because it always came out like 2/3 years later or something like that) my OS X install has only been on my machine since like February you see.

Growl is going to become pretty much useless with OS X notification center now right?

I am pretty excited about some of the changes on Mountain Lion, I think Apple are doing a great job and some of the new features are small but very beneficial for me, especially putting iMessage into OS X now, it will be so much easier to reply to iMessages on my iPhone when its sitting in a dock next to my iMac and you can't complain with the price, ?13.99 is really nothing.. good work Apple!

Yes, you can upgrade but installing fresh would be good too. There shouldn't be any problems with upgrading but it'll be better to start fresh and just reinstall all the programs. It's like Windows.

People only complained about the price of Growl because it used to be free, until they made it $2. And, yes Growl is basically a third party Notification Center, but you'll be able to incorporate Growl into Notification Center in the next update. A lot of third party applications have used Growls API, so if you have an old application that doesn't support notifications in NC, then you'll get them if you download the next Growl update.

I doubt Apple will be able to stop 3rd party apps from using it. They will find a way to use the frameworks without Apples consent and there wont be anything Apple can do about it.

Probably but that's why gatekeeper exists, apple won't verify the developer and will require the end user to allow unverified apps to be installed in order for the end consumer to install the application.

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