Recommended Posts

I think something must have gotten messed up when you did the upgrade. That's why you should never do upgrades, always clean installs, unless of course it's a corporate environment. Upgrades are never good. Garbage from the previous OS always stays behind no matter what.

Anyways, got you got it working, but if it happens again, do a clean install.

The thing is though, Apple doesn't support clean upgrades anymore. That isn't their official way of doing it. Right now we can still go inside and boot the installer but in a future scenario we may not be able to do that anymore, then what? We will all be doing upgrades eventually.

Also I just did a clean install of Lion like 2 months ago I barely had anything installed at all. Photoshop was like the only app which I've actually had to install all my other apps were just drag and drop to the apps folder. I've thus done no customization of anything and I was running the latest Lion update before upgrading.

Anyway everything is fixed now so I'm happy.

The thing is though, Apple doesn't support clean upgrades anymore. That isn't their official way of doing it. Right now we can still go inside and boot the installer but in a future scenario we may not be able to do that anymore, then what? We will all be doing upgrades eventually.

Also I just did a clean install of Lion like 2 months ago I barely had anything installed at all. Photoshop was like the only app which I've actually had to install all my other apps were just drag and drop to the apps folder. I've thus done no customization of anything and I was running the latest Lion update before upgrading.

Anyway everything is fixed now so I'm happy.

I dont think clean installs will go away, create the usb stick and your fine there will always be a way, you cant expect developers to not get an image... if you buy it and some how they take out the make an image part, you could always find a source with the developer GM copy there will always be a way Apple also has the official tool to create a usb stick, so i dont really understand how they dropped support for clean installs

I dont think clean installs will go away, create the usb stick and your fine there will always be a way, you cant expect developers to not get an image... if you buy it and some how they take out the make an image part, you could always find a source with the developer GM copy there will always be a way Apple also has the official tool to create a usb stick, so i dont really understand how they dropped support for clean installs

The code is still there obviously. I'm just saying they don't support it for consumers to do that. You are supposed to get it from the App Store and do an upgrade.

And what is this official tool you speak of to create a USB stick? Is this just the tool for Lion that still works for Mountain Lion or have they updated ir or what? I think in the future they will remove these sorts of things and release updates to OS X like iOS Delta updates where you open the App Store it says a new release is out and it updates your OS by just downloading whats changed, more like application updates than a traditionally OS installation.

I also have a feeling in the future they will make the OS updates free.

the usb tool from apple which works with mountain lion according to forums http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1433 id say that is support for consumers, heck they sold lion on a flash drive as well you DONT have to get it from the app store. And if you do, honestly it isnt hard to make a usb stick from the app store, use disk utility it really isnt too hard and is supported across apples forums.

the usb tool from apple which works with mountain lion according to forums http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1433 id say that is support for consumers, heck they sold lion on a flash drive as well you DONT have to get it from the app store. And if you do, honestly it isnt hard to make a usb stick from the app store, use disk utility it really isnt too hard and is supported across apples forums.

Yeah but they aren't selling that USB Stick anymore are they? I think it's clear their only official supported way of installing it is through an upgrade right now. Even the developer GM (Which is what I installed from) prompts you to upgrade from inside your current OS X install it doesn't ever give you an option to do a clean install unless you delve in to the package and take the .dmg and put that on a USB Stick or a DVD. Apple is including this code (probably legacy leftovers) but they aren't telling people to do it and they aren't supporting it in documentation or support files anymore.

Seriously I think with the next OS X release or the release after the next one we will have difficulty doing a clean install.

ok fair enough, but really with the 3rd party tools available i highly doubt we wont be able to make them, http://arstechnica.c...n-install-disk/ it really isnt too difficult, and someone with some tech knowledge, most anyone looking to do this anyway, wont have a problem finding a way.

And again apple will always provide images to IT, heck at my work we have had images/discs/usb drives of lion provided from apple for a while now, including lion and mountain lion images straight from them. Too many enterprise users for them to abandon that ship

I just ran the clean install AGAIN, same error, but this time I made it to the desktop... let's see how long this runs for.

This has, so far, been one of the worst OS installation experiences I've had. Maybe worth noting that all the worse ones were free... :/

I just ran the clean install AGAIN, same error, but this time I made it to the desktop... let's see how long this runs for.

This has, so far, been one of the worst OS installation experiences I've had. Maybe worth noting that all the worse ones were free... :/

Are you using official hardware? :rolleyes:

Specifically what model of MacBook Pro is it?

a 2010 2.4 Core 2 Duo 13''. It's supported. The installer dies with no specific error message (Installation Failed), and as of the last time the operating system loaded... it's been running since then pretty much ok.

I just erased my iMac and reinstalled OS X Mountain Lion. Only now do I notice improved performance and less resource usage.

My opinion so far: I'm extremely content with Apple's desktop operating system. While some feel OS X needs a radically overhaul and say the OS is "old" (Engadget) I just don't agree with this assessment. OS X Mountain Lion today simply isn't the Mac OS X Cheetah we got to know in 2001. The OS saw major under the hood changes with Mac OS X Tiger, OS X Snow Leopard and now OS X Mountain Lion. Existing features were heavily improved, major new features were added and got then improved and new features are still being added.

If anything the steady flow of incremental updates OS X is receiving is one of its biggest strengths rather than a weakness. People are being eased into changes instead of having to deal with sudden shifts time and time again. Not to mention Apple can adapt OS X based on user feedback quickly.

a 2010 2.4 Core 2 Duo 13''. It's supported. The installer dies with no specific error message (Installation Failed), and as of the last time the operating system loaded... it's been running since then pretty much ok.

Perform a PRAM/NVRAM and SMC reset and try reinstalling again. I've had something similar to your situation happen with OS X Lion once. Resetting everything did the trick.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

I hope it helps.

  • Like 1

I just erased my iMac and reinstalled OS X Mountain Lion. Only now do I notice improved performance and less resource usage.

My opinion so far: I'm extremely content with Apple's desktop operating system. While some feel OS X needs a radically overhaul and say the OS is "old" (Engadget) I just don't agree with this assessment. OS X Mountain Lion today simply isn't the Mac OS X Cheetah we got to know in 2001. The OS saw major under the hood changes with Mac OS X Tiger, OS X Snow Leopard and now OS X Mountain Lion. Existing features were heavily improved, major new features were added and got then improved and new features are still being added.

If anything the steady flow of incremental updates OS X is receiving is one of its biggest strengths rather than a weakness. People are being eased into changes instead of having to deal with sudden shifts time and time again. Not to mention Apple can adapt OS X based on user feedback quickly.

Defiantly a performance increase with just an upgrade, my iMac with the Apple SSD starts up so much quicker and it was already quick before, I am on the login screen in 5 seconds and then desktop shows in 2 seconds when I enter my password! Incredible speed.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Posts

    • I sort of agree with you on that. I had a telescope - a real hefty thing, although only around 500CHF - that got me so fascinated about the stars and planets. I would stare for hours, amazed that I could see the craters of the moon or the rings of Saturn in "realtime" (quotations because, y'know, speed of light and whatnot). A friend of mine has a telescope like the one mentioned in the review, and the pictures are amazing to look at. But there is something missing for me. I may as well just go to NASA's website and look through their gallery.
    • As opposed to catching bad press because it's the engine's fault? You didn't really think this through did you? lol. The engine has all the tools a dev needs to optimize their game, Epic isn't gonna hold their hand to make sure they use them. Also, Epic isn't forcing anyone to use Lumen, Nanite or super high resolution meshes and textures. Most of the stuttering can easily be fixed by generating a PSO cache and compiling every shader before loading the game, it's up to the developer to set it up properly.
    • I think it depends on what you're looking for to do, and the time you have to spare. With my Dwarf 3, I easily spend 3-4 hour sessions; half an hour driving to an un-light polluted place, another half hour unpacking and setting up the smart scope + tripod for equatorial tracking, then 15 more minutes mucking around with settings and shooting calibration frames, spending a few hours shooting, merging with past photo sessions, etc. It's crazy how time flies and I often get home later than I expected. It's something I still need to set aside a good part of an evening to do, all in all. For one session, where you often need like four for best results when it comes to deep space objects. Even with a smart scope like Dwarf 3, regular non-astro photography is still way more approachable to people getting into photography. I find this is a time consuming niche no matter how I go about it. With practice, I can probably begin cutting time here but I think where smart scopes find their home is among people who love to shoot the night sky but don't have the spare time to go deep with the "navigator level" attunement to the night sky itself in addition to everything else. Having said this, _if_ you have even more time to spend on this hobby, it will probably be even more rewarding to do it more by hand and learn the skies and the details of how it all works.
    • I misread the title and thought Teams itself would be redesigned. Imagine having this one as a native WinUI app.
    • Dell, HP PCs ran into endless reboot, BitLocker recovery loops but Windows 11 isn't to blame by Sayan Sen Last month Neowin reported on a major issue on Dell systems wherein a bug in its official support tool was leading to endless blue screen of death (BSOD) and restarts. Following our report, Dell officially acknowledged its SupportAssist-related crash issue, confirming that the culprit is not Microsoft's operating system but rather a faulty version of its own remediation software. In a newly published support advisory, Dell stated that version 5.5.16.0 of Dell SupportAssist Remediation and Alienware SupportAssist Remediation can trigger blue screen errors and unexpected system restarts. The company notes that the problematic component operates independently of the main SupportAssist application, meaning users should not remove the primary SupportAssist software when troubleshooting the issue. According to Dell, the crashes are linked specifically to the SupportAssist Remediation service, which is bundled with SupportAssist OS Recovery Tools, and as such it has since released an updated version, 5.5.16.1, which is said to resolve the problem. Affected users are advised to first verify whether version 5.5.16.0 is installed by checking the Installed Apps section in Windows Settings. If so, Dell recommends updating SupportAssist OS Recovery Tools through either SupportAssist's "Update Software" feature or Dell Command Update. Dell also advises users to back up important data before performing the update and to ensure systems remain connected to power throughout the installation process. If you are still having issues though make sure to report to the Dell support forum. As it turns out though Dell is not the only PC maker currently dealing with update-related headaches as HP is also facing a separate but probably equally frustrating issue involving recent Windows Secure Boot updates that were released with recent Windows 11 Patch Tuesdays. Similar to Dell, HP also put up its own support article where it explains the issue. The company says that affected devices could hit a brick wall when booting as they run into a BitLocker recovery loop after the April 2026 updates. The problem appears to affect systems wherein the new UEFI Secure Boot CA 2023 certificates fail to apply properly. As such affected users will find themselves entering their recovery key over and over again despite the system otherwise functioning normally. HP says such PCs should be updated to the latest available BIOS version and configured with the necessary Secure Boot certificates before installing Microsoft's Windows 11 Patch Tuesday updates. Systems that are already experiencing the problem may require BIOS configuration changes to restore normal boot behavior. Admins can find information regarding that in the support article here on HP's official website.
  • Recent Achievements

    • One Month Later
      DJC50PLUS earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      DJC50PLUS earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Proficient
      Eric Biran went up a rank
      Proficient
    • Dedicated
      Conjor earned a badge
      Dedicated
    • Week One Done
      Windows Guy earned a badge
      Week One Done
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      493
    2. 2
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      246
    3. 3
      Steven P.
      72
    4. 4
      +Edouard
      69
    5. 5
      neufuse
      68
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!