os x OS X Mountain Lion Discussion

[Vice]

I think something must have gotten messed up when you did the upgrade. That's why you should never do upgrades, always clean installs, unless of course it's a corporate environment. Upgrades are never good. Garbage from the previous OS always stays behind no matter what.

Anyways, got you got it working, but if it happens again, do a clean install.

The thing is though, Apple doesn't support clean upgrades anymore. That isn't their official way of doing it. Right now we can still go inside and boot the installer but in a future scenario we may not be able to do that anymore, then what? We will all be doing upgrades eventually.

Also I just did a clean install of Lion like 2 months ago I barely had anything installed at all. Photoshop was like the only app which I've actually had to install all my other apps were just drag and drop to the apps folder. I've thus done no customization of anything and I was running the latest Lion update before upgrading.

Anyway everything is fixed now so I'm happy.

[Circaflex]

vice have you repaired permissions since doing the upgrade? i always make it a habit when doing upgrade or even updates or installing new software to run disk permissions

[Circaflex]

The thing is though, Apple doesn't support clean upgrades anymore. That isn't their official way of doing it. Right now we can still go inside and boot the installer but in a future scenario we may not be able to do that anymore, then what? We will all be doing upgrades eventually.

Also I just did a clean install of Lion like 2 months ago I barely had anything installed at all. Photoshop was like the only app which I've actually had to install all my other apps were just drag and drop to the apps folder. I've thus done no customization of anything and I was running the latest Lion update before upgrading.

Anyway everything is fixed now so I'm happy.

I dont think clean installs will go away, create the usb stick and your fine there will always be a way, you cant expect developers to not get an image... if you buy it and some how they take out the make an image part, you could always find a source with the developer GM copy there will always be a way Apple also has the official tool to create a usb stick, so i dont really understand how they dropped support for clean installs

[Vice]

I dont think clean installs will go away, create the usb stick and your fine there will always be a way, you cant expect developers to not get an image... if you buy it and some how they take out the make an image part, you could always find a source with the developer GM copy there will always be a way Apple also has the official tool to create a usb stick, so i dont really understand how they dropped support for clean installs

The code is still there obviously. I'm just saying they don't support it for consumers to do that. You are supposed to get it from the App Store and do an upgrade.

And what is this official tool you speak of to create a USB stick? Is this just the tool for Lion that still works for Mountain Lion or have they updated ir or what? I think in the future they will remove these sorts of things and release updates to OS X like iOS Delta updates where you open the App Store it says a new release is out and it updates your OS by just downloading whats changed, more like application updates than a traditionally OS installation.

I also have a feeling in the future they will make the OS updates free.

[Circaflex]

the usb tool from apple which works with mountain lion according to forums http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1433 id say that is support for consumers, heck they sold lion on a flash drive as well you DONT have to get it from the app store. And if you do, honestly it isnt hard to make a usb stick from the app store, use disk utility it really isnt too hard and is supported across apples forums.

[Vice]

the usb tool from apple which works with mountain lion according to forums http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1433 id say that is support for consumers, heck they sold lion on a flash drive as well you DONT have to get it from the app store. And if you do, honestly it isnt hard to make a usb stick from the app store, use disk utility it really isnt too hard and is supported across apples forums.

Yeah but they aren't selling that USB Stick anymore are they? I think it's clear their only official supported way of installing it is through an upgrade right now. Even the developer GM (Which is what I installed from) prompts you to upgrade from inside your current OS X install it doesn't ever give you an option to do a clean install unless you delve in to the package and take the .dmg and put that on a USB Stick or a DVD. Apple is including this code (probably legacy leftovers) but they aren't telling people to do it and they aren't supporting it in documentation or support files anymore.

Seriously I think with the next OS X release or the release after the next one we will have difficulty doing a clean install.

[Circaflex]

ok fair enough, but really with the 3rd party tools available i highly doubt we wont be able to make them, http://arstechnica.c...n-install-disk/ it really isnt too difficult, and someone with some tech knowledge, most anyone looking to do this anyway, wont have a problem finding a way.

And again apple will always provide images to IT, heck at my work we have had images/discs/usb drives of lion provided from apple for a while now, including lion and mountain lion images straight from them. Too many enterprise users for them to abandon that ship

[threetonesun]

I just ran the clean install AGAIN, same error, but this time I made it to the desktop... let's see how long this runs for.

This has, so far, been one of the worst OS installation experiences I've had. Maybe worth noting that all the worse ones were free... :/

[Aaron Olive]

I just ran the clean install AGAIN, same error, but this time I made it to the desktop... let's see how long this runs for.

This has, so far, been one of the worst OS installation experiences I've had. Maybe worth noting that all the worse ones were free... :/

Are you using official hardware? :rolleyes:

[Rudy]

Is there a hack to force ML to install on unsupported Macs?

No, unsupported macs are missing some 64bit drivers, ML can't load 32bit kext anymore

[Prosidius]

http://forums.macrum...d.php?t=1325709 Scroll down to post 22. The post is from the dev builds so be warned.

[Rudy]

http://forums.macrum...d.php?t=1325709 Scroll down to post 22. The post is from the dev builds so be warned.

There's also the slight possibility of it not working after a 10.8.x update too (just warning people)

[Vice]

I read some folks have got it working on 2006 Mac Pro's (rev 1,1) by modifying something. I can't remember where I read that but I think it was on the Mac Rumors forum.

[mattmatik]

Just can't get myself to buy in yet, for some reason.

[threetonesun]

Are you using official hardware? :rolleyes:

I dunno, I think this Macbook Pro is pretty official, but thanks for the insight. :wacko:

[CPressland]

I dunno, I think this Macbook Pro is pretty official, but thanks for the insight. :wacko:

Specifically what model of MacBook Pro is it?

[sanctified Veteran]

I wish iCloud would offer an upgraded account for free if you have an expensive mac or many Apple devices :/

[threetonesun]

Specifically what model of MacBook Pro is it?

a 2010 2.4 Core 2 Duo 13''. It's supported. The installer dies with no specific error message (Installation Failed), and as of the last time the operating system loaded... it's been running since then pretty much ok.

[.Neo]

I just erased my iMac and reinstalled OS X Mountain Lion. Only now do I notice improved performance and less resource usage.

My opinion so far: I'm extremely content with Apple's desktop operating system. While some feel OS X needs a radically overhaul and say the OS is "old" (Engadget) I just don't agree with this assessment. OS X Mountain Lion today simply isn't the Mac OS X Cheetah we got to know in 2001. The OS saw major under the hood changes with Mac OS X Tiger, OS X Snow Leopard and now OS X Mountain Lion. Existing features were heavily improved, major new features were added and got then improved and new features are still being added.

If anything the steady flow of incremental updates OS X is receiving is one of its biggest strengths rather than a weakness. People are being eased into changes instead of having to deal with sudden shifts time and time again. Not to mention Apple can adapt OS X based on user feedback quickly.

[.Neo]

a 2010 2.4 Core 2 Duo 13''. It's supported. The installer dies with no specific error message (Installation Failed), and as of the last time the operating system loaded... it's been running since then pretty much ok.

Perform a PRAM/NVRAM and SMC reset and try reinstalling again. I've had something similar to your situation happen with OS X Lion once. Resetting everything did the trick.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

I hope it helps.

[threetonesun]

Thanks, if it starts acting up, I'll give it a shot. I swapped in an SSD to do the clean install on, so I was pretty much asking for problems this time around. :laugh:

[SuperKid]

I just erased my iMac and reinstalled OS X Mountain Lion. Only now do I notice improved performance and less resource usage.

My opinion so far: I'm extremely content with Apple's desktop operating system. While some feel OS X needs a radically overhaul and say the OS is "old" (Engadget) I just don't agree with this assessment. OS X Mountain Lion today simply isn't the Mac OS X Cheetah we got to know in 2001. The OS saw major under the hood changes with Mac OS X Tiger, OS X Snow Leopard and now OS X Mountain Lion. Existing features were heavily improved, major new features were added and got then improved and new features are still being added.

If anything the steady flow of incremental updates OS X is receiving is one of its biggest strengths rather than a weakness. People are being eased into changes instead of having to deal with sudden shifts time and time again. Not to mention Apple can adapt OS X based on user feedback quickly.

Defiantly a performance increase with just an upgrade, my iMac with the Apple SSD starts up so much quicker and it was already quick before, I am on the login screen in 5 seconds and then desktop shows in 2 seconds when I enter my password! Incredible speed.

[protocol7]

The installer dies with no specific error message (Installation Failed)

I think this should still work. You can see what's actually causing it to fail.

[The Guvnor]

Sweet running on my Hack :)

[mattmatik]

Is anyone running fine with doing an upgrade? Just seems unbelievable to me that in 2012 we're still having to do clean installs.