Lenovo VS IBM for quality

[Kreuger]

Are you looking for something brand new? Or would something a little older do? I ask because if you were still using a P3, anything would be a huge upgrade to you. I can get you some really good deals on Lenovo's. PM me if you're interested.

Edit: Okay, so based on the E520 comment earlier, these may be a little lower specs than you're looking for. They look like they are all C2Ds, but the price is VERY good. Just lemme know.

Yeah, my current laptop (Toshiba) is a C2D. I'd like to get at least an i3. I may get another C2D though. Does anyone have experience with Samsung laptops? I was looking at this one.

[TEX4S]

You can't be serious. The Lenovo I had, now that was junk, the acer on the other hand had only scratches on it.

Try to hold down your fanboism first and then we'll talk again.

I know lots of people who had/have Acers, theres nothing wrong with them except minor cosmetical flaws.

And that couple of years makes you Mr. Know it all? Grow up.

EVERYTHING that is in mass-production will have flaws, the same goes for Acer, I'm not saying they are all good but calling something that last for 6 years junk and calling something that didn't last a month (which most lenovo series don't) not junk, yeah, fanboism in the highest crade.

Damn this forum is full of people that think they know everything about everything.

LOL - I dont even know where to begin. So Let me get this straight - because you and your friends went out and pinched pennies, but it still opens a program after 6 years - that means all Acer products are good ? 6 years is not the norm, trust me on that.

Obviously I need to spell this out for you -

Whats more conclusive ? Someone who owned 1 of something, or someone who dealt with thousands of em ?

Does that mean I know everything ? Nope, but I know enough to make an informed statement as to the overall products of that company.

Why do you think they are so cheap ? You think its because they like you ? Its because they dont spend $$ on R&D, Customer Service, buy inferior parts - its business 101. They are a huge company that is known for cheap crap, plain and simple. This is not an opinion to be argued, its fact.

I understand your feelings are hurt because I said Acer is junk - but I am not the only one who thinks so. its pretty much a widely considered fact. Same as the notion of ThinkPad T-series being the standard of reliability & quality. One reason why they practically start @ $1000. (Oh BTW - ThinkPads have 30% lower warranty repair rate than any other brand) ;)

I dont claim to know everything, but I do know a little about this stuff - and I know people who base their opinions of an entire company or brand overall solely on 1 or 2 computers dont really have a clue, literally.

A quick google will confirm everything I have said, Im sure several of the people who regularly post in HH will agree with me as well. No reason to get mad, just save up more money next time - because you probably wont be as lucky.

No product has 100% failure rate, and no product range is without issues, but there are brands/companies in every market who are known for being superior and, of course, some being junk.

One thing you can be happy about - I think Acer has a better warranty repair rating than Compaq :D Thats a postive !

[AJerman]

Yeah, my current laptop (Toshiba) is a C2D. I'd like to get at least an i3. I may get another C2D though. Does anyone have experience with Samsung laptops? I was looking at this one.

Okay, well I found a little something that might help regardless. Hit me up. :)

[RandyC]

Still running my T61p after nearly five years (upgraded it with a SSD, 2nd HDD and 4GB RAM). It seems to be very happy with what I throw at it however I have been doing some RAW photo editing recently and it has been struggling a little so I will probably get a new T series laptop this year once the new 2012 ivy bridge chips are available.

This is my second TP - the first is a A31 which is still working well for one of my family who uses it as a demonstration machine for some medical apps - they run this same laptop on the international space station and it's build very well. It even survived a car crash I was involved almost fully intact!

[+Byt Subscriber¹]

I have a Lenovo G570 and so does my sister, we both ferry them around in ruck sacks every day (me to work and clients, her to uni and work)

All fine still after a year of use.

I recommend Lenovo's to clients over HP / Dell, the seem to last longer with the careless clients aswell.

[AltecXP]

Lenovo is still being made in the same factories IBM used and are still designed by IBM Engineers. Nothing about them changed except perhaps the sources for the built materials and Quality standards.

We have used Apple, HP, Dell and Lenovo as company machines.

• The Dells were the Latitude 410 and 530 lineup, those werew a GREAT machine, low failure rate.
  
• The Lenovo were the T60, X200 ,T400 T61 lines, and aside from the occasional fan failure they were also great.
  
• The Apples are ok, they fail a bit more than the Lenovo, but not by any large amount.
  
• The HP is the Elitebook 6930/8440. They are TOTAL garbage, the feet fall off, batteries die fast, sound fails due to a design problem, and the keys fall off a lot.
  

[Invizibleyez]

I personally have seen Dell laptops and HP/Compaq laptops break in ways you wouldn't expect, and I've personally had alot of good experience with Toshiba laptops. I use the satellite which is their midgrade laptop. I have heard that Lenovo thinkpads are great, but the ideapads are not. The difference is Thinkpads are business class and ideapads are consumer class. If you want higher quality stuff, look for business class stuff, they are built to make a repuation, as businesses tend to be more brand loyal than consumers.

[Kreuger]

Well my Toshiba died on me and I wanted something fast so I decided to get a Lenovo, though not the one I was looking at. I got this one instead.

[TEX4S]

I personally have seen Dell laptops and HP/Compaq laptops break in ways you wouldn't expect, and I've personally had alot of good experience with Toshiba laptops. I use the satellite which is their midgrade laptop. I have heard that Lenovo thinkpads are great, but the ideapads are not. The difference is Thinkpads are business class and ideapads are consumer class. If you want higher quality stuff, look for business class stuff, they are built to make a repuation, as businesses tend to be more brand loyal than consumers.

This +100

Well my Toshiba died on me and I wanted something fast so I decided to get a Lenovo, though not the one I was looking at. I got this one instead.

Well, congrats on your new purchase.... and be careful when carrying it around.

You drop a ThinkPad, you wipe it off and go back to what you were doing, drop any other brand, and youre picking up pieces for 20 minutes. Drop a Toughbook and you set off seismographs in the area, as the earth goes slightly out of orbit.

[TEX4S]

Lenovo is still being made in the same factories IBM used and are still designed by IBM Engineers. Nothing about them changed except perhaps the sources for the built materials and Quality standards.

We have used Apple, HP, Dell and Lenovo as company machines.

• The Dells were the Latitude 410 and 530 lineup, those werew a GREAT machine, low failure rate.
  
• The Lenovo were the T60, X200 ,T400 T61 lines, and aside from the occasional fan failure they were also great.
  
• The Apples are ok, they fail a bit more than the Lenovo, but not by any large amount.
  
• The HP is the Elitebook 6930/8440. They are TOTAL garbage, the feet fall off, batteries die fast, sound fails due to a design problem, and the keys fall off a lot.
  

Man @mac,(Epic Orange ?) its almost like you read my mind. Those old D-series Latitudes were absolute workhorses. Those D600 are legendary. So many companies bought those by the hundreds and thousands simply because they wont die.

I have owned T60, and my current ThinkPad is a T400 - great machines. I have worked on a bunch over the years, it doesnt take long to realize how much better they are than anything else out there in terms of quality.

HP needs to stick to making printers - everything else they make sucks.

[+Mirumir Subscriber¹]

Try Panasonic's fully-rugged Toughbooks (these guys can withstand 6-foot drops) or Dell's Precision and Latitude series.

[TEX4S]

Try Panasonic's fully-rugged Toughbooks (these guys can withstand 6-foot drops) or Dell's Precision and Latitude series.

uhhh - have you even bothered to read the posts ? He already bought something and isnt anywhere near the budget of a Toughbook.

[Kreuger]

Man those things are ugly!

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

I'm not familiar with Lenovo's non-ThinkPad offerings, but the "B" series is apparently their "budget" model line, so you'll want to treat this notebook like the fragile, expensive device that it is in order to get the maximum life out of it.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

[TEX4S]

Definately what goretsky said. Always good advice.

As far as the non ThinkPad stuff from Lenovo - those Ideapads are like any other cheap laptop - you get what you pay for.

Look at it this way:

ThinkPads have a 30% lower warranty repair rate, better than even apple. Yet, because the computers are classified by company, and not product line - Lenovo is not as good as apple's %. So what was it that hurt the ThinkPad rating? Ideapads would have something to do with that for sure.

[StrikedOut]

Bought my T400 for ?270 a few months ago from a company that specialises in refurb laptops. It was what they call a grade 4 (of 6) so I was expecting to see some light marks. When i got it couldnt see a think wrong with it, wasnt untill I looked at the wrist pads at an angle that I saw some light wearing on them. To say I'm pleased with it is an understatement.

I have since installed 8GB of RAM for ?30, 60GB SSD for ?70, 2nd HDD bay for ?15 and added a 250GB HDD I already had laying around, WWAN card for ?25 and a docking station for ?16. Grand total of ?426. Absolute bargain if you ask me. I also recomended one to my mother and director at work. Both very happy with their laptops.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

LOL - I dont even know where to begin. So Let me get this straight - because you and your friends went out and pinched pennies, but it still opens a program after 6 years - that means all Acer products are good ? 6 years is not the norm, trust me on that.

Obviously I need to spell this out for you -

Whats more conclusive ? Someone who owned 1 of something, or someone who dealt with thousands of em ?

Does that mean I know everything ? Nope, but I know enough to make an informed statement as to the overall products of that company.

Why do you think they are so cheap ? You think its because they like you ? Its because they dont spend $$ on R&D, Customer Service, buy inferior parts - its business 101. They are a huge company that is known for cheap crap, plain and simple. This is not an opinion to be argued, its fact.

I understand your feelings are hurt because I said Acer is junk - but I am not the only one who thinks so. its pretty much a widely considered fact. Same as the notion of ThinkPad T-series being the standard of reliability & quality. One reason why they practically start @ $1000. (Oh BTW - ThinkPads have 30% lower warranty repair rate than any other brand) ;)

I dont claim to know everything, but I do know a little about this stuff - and I know people who base their opinions of an entire company or brand overall solely on 1 or 2 computers dont really have a clue, literally.

A quick google will confirm everything I have said, Im sure several of the people who regularly post in HH will agree with me as well. No reason to get mad, just save up more money next time - because you probably wont be as lucky.

No product has 100% failure rate, and no product range is without issues, but there are brands/companies in every market who are known for being superior and, of course, some being junk.

One thing you can be happy about - I think Acer has a better warranty repair rating than Compaq :D Thats a postive !

Feelings are hurt over what? That you said Acer is junk? Nah, I couldn't care less which company laptop I own (PC's I just put together on my own - laptops not so much), only thing I do want is that it would last me long enough.

And see you said it yourself, not everything is bad if it has a better repair raiting then Compaq :p (Which obviously means that Acers go to reapir more often)

[Matrixik]

Those old D-series Latitudes were absolute workhorses. Those D600 are legendary. So many companies bought those by the hundreds and thousands simply because they wont die.

I'm writing now from my D630 :) I purchased used model and so far no problems (HD don't have even one bad sector).

I always recommend Latitude if someone asking me about laptops.

[TEX4S]

Matrix - You have one of the last of a legendary group of laptops. Remarkably easy to take apart, yet never break down.

I dont think they are built like that anymore. The Latitude series are definately better than the Dimensions; but they are not like they used to be - enjoy it while it lasts. A long time ago, my work laptop was a D820, back then it was fast as hell and really nice - a good laptop.

I dont know why you have a traditional HDD anyway, maybe you need alot of space, if it were me, I max the RAM (4GB I Think) and throw a little 60GB OCZ Agility in there, no need for the new ones due to controller limitations of the laptop. But that would extend that laptop about as much as you can. If you have an old drive in there, back it up if there is anything important on it - because you're already on borrowed time - that much I know. ;)

[Matrixik]

Thank you for ideas.

Now I start thinking about something stronger (to work with 2 or 3 virtual machines at one time, so 8 - 16 GB of RAM).

From your comments looks like I need to look for ThinkPads T or ... ThinkPads X ... Not very big choice...

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

I would suggest looking at the ThinkPad T or W series.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

Thank you for ideas.

Now I start thinking about something stronger (to work with 2 or 3 virtual machines at one time, so 8 - 16 GB of RAM).

From your comments looks like I need to look for ThinkPads T or ... ThinkPads X ... Not very big choice...

[grunger106]

I have used Thinkpads as my only portables for 15 years, and the 'proper' thinkpads are the X, T and W series.

The other series to look at is the L series, basically a scaled down T series, but still decent build + proper keyboard

I'm not impressed by the Edge or IdeaPad series which are cheap and look cheap, If you need a cheap laptop get a 2nd hand Thinkpad (X61, T61, T400, X200) and add an SSD.

My current machine is an X61Tablet, 1.8Ghz C2D, 4Gb, 64GB SSD - quicker to use than alot of my clients brand new machines

[Odom Member]

Thank you for ideas.

Now I start thinking about something stronger (to work with 2 or 3 virtual machines at one time, so 8 - 16 GB of RAM).

From your comments looks like I need to look for ThinkPads T or ... ThinkPads X ... Not very big choice...

If you want to be running 2 or 3 VM's at the same time from a laptop, you need to get a decent hard drive, otherwise you won't be able to do anything big on them, except one at a time. Laptops usually come with 5400 RPM drives, which for running multiple VM's is less than ideal.

If you can afford it, put an SSD in the laptop, or a 7200RPM hard drive (which will also eat away the battery life faster than an 5400RPM one). Alternatively, I think the latest T-series have eSata, so you can get an external HDD and put all the VM's on there.

In my own experience, I just love the Lenovo T- and X-series. Our office has been using them for many many years. We hardly have any problems with them at all. We also have a lot of staff travelling extensively and they all are very happy with the laptops. Last year I bought my own T420s for personal use. Came with 8GB and I put in a 256GB SSD.

[Odom Member]

double posted

[Matrixik]

Thank you for all comments.

I will buy lenovo thinkpad when I'll be changing my laptop.