Elliot B. Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 I am having this issue. I believe it's usually due to bad RAM, yes? If I do have a bad RAM stick, how can I test it and produce proof so that I can show the retailer the stick is dodgy? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 2, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted May 2, 2012 memtest86 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 memtest86 I have 2x 4 GB sticks. Am I right in thinking I should remove all non-essential hardware (TV tuners etc.) and test one RAM stick at a time (by removing the other one) overnight? EDIT: Oh, I don't have a CD writer or any blank media so I can not use "Memtest86" according to the download page. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusi0n Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 memory. run memtest then start removing hardware one by one Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 memory. run memtest then start removing hardware one by one Wouldn't it be more effective to remove all non-essential hardware first? Then removing one RAM stick so that Memtest86 only tests one stick at a time? (help to find which one is defective) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 2, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted May 2, 2012 I have 2x 4 GB sticks. Am I right in thinking I should remove all non-essential hardware (TV tuners etc.) and test one RAM stick at a time (by removing the other one) overnight? EDIT: Oh, I don't have a CD writer or any blank media so I can not use "Memtest86" according to the download page. do you have a flash-drive? you should be able to set up a bootable flash-drive with it on it if you doedit: here, download the auto installer for usb http://www.memtest.org/#downiso Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Always take out, and Reseat your RAM before running tests. RAM sticks that are not tight can give you a false Memtest reading. Happened to me. Also, Windows 7 comes with a built-in Memory tester. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigby Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Check your hard drive for bad sectors also. Make sure your fans are running and everything is clean in case it's an overheating issue. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 do you have a flash-drive? you should be able to set up a bootable flash-drive with it on it if you do The download page shows "Ver 4.0a - USB key image (Only installable from Linux)" so I am not sure - I am running Windows. Always Reseat your RAM before running tests. RAM sticks that are not tight can give you a false Memtest reading. Happened to me. Thanks! I will do this :) Check your hard drive for bad sectors also. Make sure your fans are running and everything is clean in case it's an overheating issue. My primary drive is an SSD. Also, my PC is very cool. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billmaster Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 The motherboard itself can be bad. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 2, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted May 2, 2012 here's the memtest86 usb installer for windows http://www.memtest.org/#downiso it's the auto installer Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 The motherboard itself can be bad. Is there a way to test this? I am presuming not :/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hum Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 ^ There are system testers, if you do a Search. http://www.freshdevices.com/freshdiag.html Heavyload is a freeware program that is intended to stress all resources of a PC ... http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/72433.aspx Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594840887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 3, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted May 3, 2012 any luck king? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594842681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 Possibly unrelated, but this system completely freezes if I use *any* drivers apart from Catalyst 8.951 WHQL for my Radeon HD 7970. In other words, have you changed any drivers for any of your hardware recently? Have you tried updating/reverting drivers? Also, check your PSU if the RAM checks out. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594842709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 In my experience freezing is hardware failure almost 100% time. More specifically, it is overheating. AMD drivers are commonly bad for newly released cards. Stick with one that works and is stable until they've updated it a few times. It could be that the drivers are not controlling the fan / core / memory properly. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594843115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 9, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted May 9, 2012 bump King Mustard? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594854313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 bump King Mustard? I took out my TV tuner a few days ago (not sure why I was suspicious of this) and so far - no freezes. I'll keep you updated! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594854317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted May 9, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted May 9, 2012 I took out my TV tuner a few days ago (not sure why I was suspicious of this) and so far - no freezes. I'll keep you updated! yeah, I've seen bad TV tuner drivers cause some weird issues before, so I would not be surprised in the least if that's what was causing your issues Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1074593-what-can-cause-a-pc-to-randomly-completely-freeze/#findComment-594854321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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