Microsoft to bring full Internet Explorer browsing to Xbox 360 with Kinect

By +Frank B.
in Xbox

 Share

Recommended Posts

Grand Master

Emn1ty

Posted
Posted

Well yeah that was a childish move but lately I haven't seen any complaints from Opera. It's just Mozilla and Google doing the moaning at MS what MS should and should not do with their software/hardware.

Cause boo others for telling them to follow agreed upon standards to make web development easier. Rather, MS would like to continue creating a sub-par browser.

Grand Master

HawkMan

Posted
Posted

Cause boo others for telling them to follow agreed upon standards to make web development easier. Rather, MS would like to continue creating a sub-par browser.

except right now it's FF and Chrome that's starting to add their own special code while IE is sticking to the standards. We're already seeing sites that only works properly or best in chrome.

Grand Master

Xerxes

Posted
Posted

I can't see Windows 8 playing well with 256MB of RAM :rofl:

I think you'd be surprised how well it would run. There is a good chance the next Xbox (which I'm still convinced is launching later this year) will be running a version of Win8 on it. In fact releasing the Xbox Next, Win8 and WP8 at the same time would be pretty big, is pretty obvious MS plans to have everything work together [more so then they do now] and would be a major marketing point to have Win8 powering all the latest offerings. Proving a truely seamless entertainment solution. I'm just thinking out aloud so maybe it doesn't make sense :p take with a grain of salt.

Grand Master

George P Global Moderator

Posted
  • Global Moderator
Posted

I think you'd be surprised how well it would run. There is a good chance the next Xbox (which I'm still convinced is launching later this year) will be running a version of Win8 on it. In fact releasing the Xbox Next, Win8 and WP8 at the same time would be pretty big, is pretty obvious MS plans to have everything work together [more so then they do now] and would be a major marketing point to have Win8 powering all the latest offerings. Proving a truely seamless entertainment solution. I'm just thinking out aloud so maybe it doesn't make sense :p take with a grain of salt.

I agree that the next Xbox could be based on Win8, deep down, just like we know WP8 will be. But having said that it won't be much more than the kernel and some select subsystems that are needed to drive the Xbox dashboard and so on. Don't expect more of the Win8 OS than is needed. I also think it'll have 4GB of RAM at least, depending on how bold they want to be.

Grand Master

Xerxes

Posted
Posted

I agree that the next Xbox could be based on Win8, deep down, just like we know WP8 will be. But having said that it won't be much more than the kernel and some select subsystems that are needed to drive the Xbox dashboard and so on. Don't expect more of the Win8 OS than is needed. I also think it'll have 4GB of RAM at least, depending on how bold they want to be.

I understand what you mean, I know it won't run the full Win8 OS. I just meant because it'll be Win8 at the core, expect seamless integration with Win8 desktops/tablets and WP8 phones.

Grand Master

George P Global Moderator

Posted
  • Global Moderator
Posted

All I want really is Amazon Instant Streaming on the Xbox 360. Please?

Don't see why that's not doable as long as Amazon wants to write an app for it, really up to them.

I understand what you mean, I know it won't run the full Win8 OS. I just meant because it'll be Win8 at the core, expect seamless integration with Win8 desktops/tablets and WP8 phones.

I expect that as well, I find it really stupid that right now the 360 and WP can't work together if you connect them via USB. I hope when everythings on the same OS core that things like Play To are supported to and from every device without the need for any 3rd party apps.

Proficient

Anthonyd

Posted
Posted

Last thing we need is just any old crappy 3rd party apps on the Xbox, we get enough of that on our phones IMO. Besides what MS does want is media specific apps not just anything. That limits it to apps from content creators or providers etc.

I'm fairly sure that the next XBOX will support WinRT and Windows 8 / Windows Phone 8 apps & marketplace, with all apps synched into the cloud :)
Grand Master

George P Global Moderator

Posted
  • Global Moderator
Posted

I'm fairly sure that the next XBOX will support WinRT and Windows 8 / Windows Phone 8 apps & marketplace, with all apps synched into the cloud :)

Ok, say it goes down like that, what sorta apps do you want on a media device like the Xbox though? Outside of games, and apps for watching different media services, what else? I mean the Xbox is a specific type of device that's for a specific range of things not really a PC that's a do all type of machine.

Proficient

Anthonyd

Posted
Posted

Maybe the next xbox will have a controller like the Wii U with a touchscreen :) This or mouse & kb support for example.

Also it can has all sort of apps like the XBLA games from Windows Phone / Windows, social website and so on, the list is infinite.

Grand Master

The Teej

Posted
Posted

Ok, say it goes down like that, what sorta apps do you want on a media device like the Xbox though? Outside of games, and apps for watching different media services, what else? I mean the Xbox is a specific type of device that's for a specific range of things not really a PC that's a do all type of machine.

Being able to have apps synced with my 360 and my Win8 PC would be nice. "Pay once, play everywhere" system like Steam has with PC+Mac would be fantastic - especially if cloud support for saving is on the cards. This would be extremely easy to implement if the next Xbox OS had WinRT at its core.

Plus, apps such as Skydrive would be really nice to have on the Xbox too. While these can be made for the 360 currently, I'm almost certain having the ability to extremely quickly port their WinRT apps to the next Xbox (in a similar fashion to W8->WP8) will encourage a lot more developers to bring their apps to Xbox - which can be a great thing.

Grand Master

BajiRav

Posted
Posted

I agree that the next Xbox could be based on Win8, deep down, just like we know WP8 will be. But having said that it won't be much more than the kernel and some select subsystems that are needed to drive the Xbox dashboard and so on. Don't expect more of the Win8 OS than is needed. I also think it'll have 4GB of RAM at least, depending on how bold they want to be.

I think 4GB RAM is the minimum they will need, 4K will be just around the corner when it launches.

Contributor

jagowar

Posted
Posted

Being able to have apps synced with my 360 and my Win8 PC would be nice. "Pay once, play everywhere" system like Steam has with PC+Mac would be fantastic - especially if cloud support for saving is on the cards. This would be extremely easy to implement if the next Xbox OS had WinRT at its core.

Plus, apps such as Skydrive would be really nice to have on the Xbox too. While these can be made for the 360 currently, I'm almost certain having the ability to extremely quickly port their WinRT apps to the next Xbox (in a similar fashion to W8->WP8) will encourage a lot more developers to bring their apps to Xbox - which can be a great thing.

I am still hoping windows 8 is powering the xbox going forward just for access to the full app store and the buy once get both places aspect but I don't see them doing it.... as awesome as it would be.

Rookie

marketZZ

Posted
Posted

Actually it's not just an assumption, games use the xbox api's to access internet functions and such. these are specific for gaming, browser would not only need the correct api calls that may not be possible, it would also have to be accepted by MS

you said it there... Browser need api rather than low level code so no one is stopping anyone from building browser for xbox.

"correct api calls that may not be possible" clearly shows you are assuming.

Grand Master

neoadorable

Posted
Posted

Product convergence is great and very logical. As for a browser, that is long overdue on the 360 seeing as Sony has had it since the beginning on PS3. But why will it force me to use Kinect?

Proficient

Anthonyd

Posted
Posted

I personally think they are making a mistake in tying every single product line together.

Because you haven't tried/looked at how it's been done. It's the same "metro" concept but implemented differently across each device.
  • 2 weeks later...
Grand Master

The Teej

Posted
Posted

I am still hoping windows 8 is powering the xbox going forward just for access to the full app store and the buy once get both places aspect but I don't see them doing it.... as awesome as it would be.

Nope won't happen. The new Windows Kernel (which is powering Win8 and WP8) might power the next Xbox - but considering so far Win8 and WP8 are having two seperate OSes (despite WOA being available and probably compatible with WP8 hardware), I doubt they're going to share Win8 across PCs and Xboxes, I'm presuming it'll be a Windows Kernel-based OS, however.

On top of which, I also don't see Windows 8 (the full thing) coming to Xbox for the simple reason that Microsoft itself would become an OEM Manufacturer - meaning it'll compete with the likes of Dell, HP, MSI, and so on, putting Microsoft in a difficult position, as their latest machine would top anything they could offer - small form factor, playing the latest games (natively on the hardware), as well as internet browsing, metro apps, the works. It could even run MS Office. The only thing other OEMs would have going for it is that they could produce x86 boxes - whereas the Xbox is PPC based (and even that is an assumption).

This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Posts

    • An oversimplified explanations of Passkeys

      By +Warwagon · Posted

      Passkeys: Think of them like a broken heart necklace. Imagine one of those heart necklaces that breaks into two matching pieces. One person keeps one half, and the other person keeps the other half. With passkeys, the website has one half, and you have the other half. If the website gets hacked and someone steals its half, that stolen piece is useless by itself. It cannot unlock your account without your matching half. This particular heart necklace is one of a kind, there is only one in existence. Your half of the necklace has to be stored somewhere. It might be stored on your phone, tablet, computer, security key, or a password manager that can sync it between all your devices. A security key is a small physical device that you keep with you, kind of like a house key, car key, or flash drive. I would not usually recommend a security key as the first option for the average person. For most people, it is easier to use their phone, computer, or a password manager that can sync passkeys between their devices. A security key is more like a spare key you keep in a safe place, just in case you lose access to your other devices or your password manager. Some security keys plug into your computer. Some plug into your phone or tablet. Some do not plug in at all and instead get tapped against your device. The idea is simple: a security key can hold another passkey for the same website. Think of it like creating a second one-of-a-kind heart necklace for the same account. One necklace could be paired with your password manager, while another necklace could be paired with your security key. That means the website has more than one matching half on file. One half matches the passkey in your password manager. Another half matches the passkey stored on your security key. So, if you lose access to your phone, computer, or password manager, you would still be able to log in using the passkey stored on your security key. Think of it like keeping an extra special necklace piece on a tiny keychain, stored somewhere safe. The website still has the matching half for that security key, but your half is safely stored inside the little key. A passkey does not automatically exist on every device you own. It lives wherever you save it. If your half is stored on one device, then that device is the one that has the matching piece. For example, if you create the passkey on your Windows computer and it is only saved to that computer, your iPhone does not automatically have that same half. If you create it on your iPhone and it only stays on that iPhone, your Android phone does not automatically have it either. That is where password managers come in. A password manager can act like a protected jewelry box for your passkeys. Instead of your half of the necklace being locked to only one device, the password manager can securely sync that half to your other approved devices. For example, Apple Passwords and iCloud Keychain can sync passkeys between your Apple devices. Google Password Manager can sync passkeys with your Google account. But password managers such as 1Password and Bitwarden can sync passkeys between everything, your phones, tablets and computers. Now, you might ask: “What happens if I lose access to the device that has my passkey?” That depends on where your passkey was saved and what recovery options the website gives you. If your passkey was synced through a password manager, you may be able to sign in from another device that has access to that same password manager. For example, if your passkey is saved in iCloud Keychain, Google Password Manager, 1Password, or Bitwarden, another approved device may still have access to it. If your passkey was saved only on one phone, computer, or security key, and you lose that device, then you may not have your half of the necklace anymore. In that case, you would usually need to use the website’s backup login or account recovery options. A lot of websites that support passkeys still let you fall back to your regular password. So if you lose access to your passkey, the site may still let you log in with your password, a code sent to your email, a text message, a recovery code, or some other account recovery process. That is convenient, but it is also important to understand: if the website still allows password login, then your password still matters. Passkeys are safer than passwords, but if your account still has a password as a backup, you should still use a strong, unique password and turn on two-factor authentication if the website offers it. This is why it is a good idea to have more than one safe way back into important accounts. For example, you might keep your passkey in a syncing password manager, add a second trusted device, save recovery codes somewhere safe, or set up a backup security key. A passkey is very secure, but just like a real key, you need a backup plan in case you lose access to it. Now, you might ask: “What stops a hacker from copying my half of the necklace?” That’s the important part: your half is protected. It is not something you type in, and it is not something the website gets to keep. Think of your half as being locked inside a tiny safe on your phone, computer, security key, or password manager. That safe only opens when you approve it with your fingerprint, face, PIN, or device password. When you log in, the website does not need to see your half. It only needs proof that your half matches its half. Your actual half is not handed over to the website. This is different from a password. With a password, you type the secret into the website. If you type it into a fake website, the hacker now has it. With a passkey, you are not typing your secret into the website. Your device is proving you have the matching half without giving the half away. That also helps protect you from fake websites. If someone makes a fake login page that looks like the real site, your device can tell it is not the real match. It will not use your passkey there. Now, could someone use your passkey if they stole your device, got into your password manager, or somehow unlocked the safe that holds your half? Yes, that is why your device password, PIN, fingerprint, face unlock, and password manager security still matter. But a hacker cannot just steal your passkey from the website or trick you into typing it into a fake page like they can with a password. That is why passkeys are safer than passwords. The two matching pieces have to come together, like two lovebirds who were once separated and are finally reunited.
    • Newegg offers insane combo deal on Amazon Prime Day 2026 that beats Steam Machine

      By hellowalkman · Posted

      Newegg offers insane combo deal on Amazon Prime Day 2026 that beats Steam Machine by Sayan Sen Building a PC is undoubtedly difficult nowadays but with this epic combo deal, Newegg is trying to make it as easy for you as it is possible. If you are making a new one or even upgrading an old system to a new Windows 11 device, this combo bundle is truly unmissable as you get AMD's Ryzen 9800X3D, a compatible X870 motherboard, a 240mm AIO liquid cooler and finally a Samsung 990 PRO SSD all for under $1000 (purchase link under the specs table down below). This should beat out the newly launched Steam Machine from Valve in terms of performance and performance per dollar especially if you are willing to set Linux up on it. Essentially with this combo you will get the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-core 3D V cache CPU, Samsung's 990 PRO 2TB NVMe SSD, the MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX Motherboard, and finally the Cooler Master Elite Liquid 240. Thanks to that massive vertically stacked L3 cache, the X3D desktop processors, including the 9800X3D, also come with the benefit of not needing fast memory. Even DDR5-5600 should be plenty for it. The technical specifications of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D are given in the table below: Specification Value Architecture Zen 5 Cores / Threads 8 / 16 Base Clock 4.7 GHz Max Boost Clock Up to 5.2 GHz L1 Cache 640 KB L2 Cache 8 MB L3 Cache 96 MB Total Cache 104 MB CPU Core Process TSMC 4nm FinFET I/O Die Process TSMC 6nm FinFET Socket AM5 Default TDP 120W Max Temperature (Tjmax) 95°C Thermal Solution Not included Memory Type DDR5 Max Capacity 256 GB Memory Speeds 2x1R: DDR5-5600 2x2R: DDR5-5600 4x1R: DDR5-3600 4x2R: DDR5-3600 PCIe Version PCIe 5.0 PCIe Lanes (Total/Usable) 28 / 24 USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps) 4 USB 2.0 1 Graphics Cores 2 CU RDNA 2 Frequency 2200 MHz DisplayPort over USB-C Yes Overclocking Unlocked Up next we have the tech specs for the MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard: Specification Value Chipset AMD X870 CPU Support AMD Ryzen 9000 / 8000 / 7000 Series Desktop Processors Socket AM5 Memory Slots 4 × DDR5 UDIMM Maximum Memory Capacity 256GB Memory Support DDR5 8400–5600 MT/s (OC), DDR5 5600–4800 MT/s (JEDEC) Integrated Graphics Outputs 1 × HDMI 2.1 FRL (up to 8K 60Hz) 2 × USB4 Type-C with DisplayPort 1.4 HBR3 (up to 4K 60Hz) Expansion Slots PCI_E1: PCIe 5.0 x16 (CPU) PCI_E2: PCIe 3.0 x1 (Chipset) PCI_E3: PCIe 4.0 x4 (Chipset) Audio Realtek ALC4080 Codec 7.1-Channel USB High Performance Audio Supports up to 32-bit/384kHz playback on front panel S/PDIF output M.2 Slots 4 × M.2 M2_1: PCIe 5.0 x4 (CPU, 22110/2280) M2_2: PCIe 5.0 x4 (CPU, 2280/2260) M2_3: PCIe 4.0 x2 (Chipset, 2280/2260) M2_4: PCIe 4.0 x4 (Chipset, 2280/2260) SATA Ports 4 × SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 for M.2 NVMe storage devices Rear USB Ports 4 × USB 2.0 3 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 2 × USB 10Gbps Type-A 1 × USB 10Gbps Type-C 2 × USB4 40Gbps Type-C Front USB Headers 4 × USB 2.0 4 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 1 × USB 20Gbps Type-C LAN Realtek 8126-CG 5G LAN Wireless Wi-Fi 7 (M.2 Key-E module pre-installed) Supports 2.4GHz / 5GHz / 6GHz bands Up to 5.8Gbps Supports 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax/be Bluetooth Bluetooth 5.4, MLO, 4KQAM Internal Power Connectors 1 × 24-pin ATX Power 2 × CPU Power Connectors 1 × PCIe 8-pin Power Connector Fan Headers 1 × CPU Fan 1 × Combo Fan (Pump/System) 6 × System Fan RGB Headers 3 × Addressable V2 RGB (JARGB_V2) 1 × RGB LED (JRGB) Other Internal Headers 1 × EZ Conn-header 2 × Front Panel Headers 1 × Chassis Intrusion 1 × Front Audio 1 × TPM 2.0 Header Debug Features 4 × EZ Debug LEDs 1 × EZ Digit Debug LED Rear I/O Ports Clear CMOS Button Flash BIOS Button HDMI 2 × USB 40Gbps Type-C 1 × USB 10Gbps Type-C 4 × USB 10Gbps Type-A 3 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 4 × USB 2.0 5G LAN Port Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Antenna Connectors Audio Connectors Form Factor ATX The Samsung 990 PRO is a PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD and still one of the fastest drives available today for under $500. Speaking of fast, sequential reads and writes are rated at 7450 MB/s and 6900 MB/s, respectively. The random throughputs for reads and writes are 1400K IOPS and 1550K IOPS, respectively. The 990 PRO is based on Samsung's 7th Gen V-NAND flash, and it too is TLC. It packs 2 gigs of LPDDR4 DRAM cache, which helps the random performance. The endurance rating for this is 1200 TBW (terabytes written), which should be sufficient for most users. The Samsung 990 PRO is compatible with the PlayStation 5, but if you are going to use the 990 PRO on a PC, check out the Samsung Magician app that lets you track your drive's health, update its firmware, customize various settings, and more. The tech specs are given below: Specification Value Interface PCIe Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 2.0 Form Factor M.2 2280 Controller Samsung In-house Controller NAND Flash 3D TLC DRAM Cache 2GB LPDDR4 Sequential Read (Max) 7,450 MB/s Sequential Write (Max) 6,900 MB/s Random Read (4K) Up to 1,400,000 IOPS Random Write (4K) Up to 1,550,000 IOPS TBW (Endurance) 1,200 TBW MTBF 1,500,000 hours Operating Temperature 0°C to 70°C Storage Temperature -40°C to 85°C Shock Resistance 1,500G / 0.5ms Heatsink No Get the combo deal at this link: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Samsung 990 PRO 2TB, MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI motherboard, Cooler Master Elite Liquid 240: $784.99 + $25 off with promo code FTTF77: $759.99 (Sold and Shipped by Newegg US) Good to know This Newegg deal is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. Become a Prime member (for Students or SNAP) via Neowin Get Prime Access - Prime for half price (for qualifying Medicaid, EBT, SNAP) Subscribe to Prime Video, Audible Plus, Music Unlimited or Kindle Unlimited via Neowin As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • AMD confirms 26.6.2 FSR driver breaks on many Windows PCs

      By sphbecker · Posted

      I heard from a lot of people that driver support for the latest games when RDNA first came out (Radeon 5000 series) was pretty bad, but if you didn't buy the card on day one, or were not trying to play the latest titles, then you were isolated from that issue. Other than that, it's been good and only getting better.
    • Meta launches new AI glasses in 26 styles and Muse Spark multimodal capabilties

      By pradeepviswav · Posted

      Meta launches new AI glasses in 26 styles and Muse Spark multimodal capabilties by Pradeep Viswanathan Meta today announced a new line of Meta Glasses in partnership with EssilorLuxottica. The new AI glasses build on the company’s existing smart glasses portfolio, which is sold under the Ray-Ban Meta and Oakley Meta brands. The new Meta Glasses start at just $299, are compatible with prescription lenses, and will be available in 26 styles across different colors, lenses, and frames. At launch, Meta Glasses will be available in three frame styles. The Meta Adventurer features a clean rectangular design and comes in Standard and Large sizes. The Meta Fury is a bolder frame for users who want a stronger look. Meta Glasses by Kylie is a slim oval frame designed in collaboration with Kylie Jenner. Similar to existing Meta AI Glasses, the new Meta Glasses include a dedicated action button that can be used to quickly access Meta AI or launch a favorite feature. They also feature open-ear speakers for calls, music, and more. Meta has also included a multi-mic array with wind noise reduction for calls and messaging. Users can capture photos and videos hands-free using voice commands. Meta claims more than eight hours of battery life, while the portable charging case can provide up to 40 additional hours. As expected, Meta Glasses come pre-loaded with Meta AI powered by Muse Spark from day one. Muse Spark is the first model from Meta Superintelligence Labs with improved multimodal capabilities. The same Meta AI upgrade is also now available on existing Ray-Ban Meta and Oakley Meta Glasses in the US and Canada via an update. With the Muse Spark-powered AI assistant, Meta AI in the new glasses can provide smarter answers, understand what the user is seeing, and help with daily tasks such as calendar management and navigation. Meta also announced an upcoming feature called the dynamic photo feature, which captures multiple frames and recommends the best one. Pedestrian navigation is also coming soon to these glasses. Meta is also adding support for 14 new live translation languages, including Japanese, Mandarin Chinese, Hindi, and Korean. The new Meta Glasses are available starting today through Meta.com, Best Buy, Amazon, LensCrafters, Sunglass Hut, and select retailers.
    • Why you need to take back control of your synced passwords and how to go about doing that

      By fintechfooty · Posted

      is that a personal preference? whether it is or isn't, i get where you're coming from. i try to get and use fully open sourced applications whenever i can but there are instances where i find a superior product that is closed sourced. in these cases i do my best to learn about the company, who operates it, their background, parent and sub structure etc. to some extent, depending on "the smell test". i really believe that Syncback is really and truly something great. even if you don't use it, it's always worth a recommendation to someone else, especially if that someone else is not very computer literate. for someone of your calibre you, you'll manage just fine with Syncthing, no doubt about it.

  • Recent Achievements

    • One Month Later
      timbobit earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • One Month Later
      nates earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      Almohandis earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Rookie
      dorf went up a rank
      Rookie
    • First Post
      mike_rumble earned a badge
      First Post

  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      468
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      166
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      104
    4. 4
      Michael Scrip
      87
    5. 5
      Steven P.
      70
    Show More

  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!