Recommended Posts

Speak for yourself.

New technology is not always 'exciting' -- especially when it makes little difference. :laugh:

yea been there done that. but i'm not favouring windows 8 (what blasphemy!) i'm just looking at extracting more juice out of the 4+ yr old machine. small pleasures.

Because it's a valid question. I agree, I like new technology but that doesn't mean you *always* need it, if the equipment that you already have fits your needs. Seriously, apart from the SSD (Which would improve system responsiveness significantly) the benefit you're likely to see in real world usage won't always match expenditure. And if you have specific needs in mind, it helps members tailor recommendations to your requirements. Having ultra powerful hardware is always nice, but it's not always necessary for some people.

there is an objection to my novelty seeking behaviour, but there are worse novelty seeking behaviours! reform society where it matters and leave me alone :p

!

Tilt - What "aunt" Intrinsica was saying was dead on. Nobody can tell you if you need something. Everything is relative - ever hear that before ? You throw up a question on a forum, dont be a wiseass when someone says - you should have worded your question differently because @ face value - we cant help

If someone says "Photoshop wont run & my P4 keeps BSOD-ing on me, do I need to upgrade ?" that is a yes/no question.

If I ask, "should I upgrade ?" nobody can really say for sure because

1.) Nobody knows my budget situation

2.) Nobody knows what my current hardware limitations are

3.) Nobody knows if I am wanting to start doing something that old hardware cant handle very well.

I know you know this already, I am simply re-wording what Intrinsica said - I just thought it was kinda rude what you said to him (Im sure you'll do the same to my post)

You should be happy with the route your taking with the SSD. I assume your going to do a clean install with the SSD though, I think it's the only way to do it though.

On your next PC build, I'd suggest getting an aftermarket HSF (Heat Sink Fan), assuming you don't have one. I bought one and am glad I did for my Q6600, if anything you can just do higher OCing in the colder months if you don't want to make your PC room hotter in the summer. I think I built mine 3 years ago. I don't OC all the time though, but it's nice to be able to easily do it with a good HSF, that way you might get another 6-12 months out of your system towards the end of it's life to hold you over to the CPU/MB Generation that you really want to save for.

I just was pondering this question myself the last 3 weeks. I kept running into RAM issues with 4GB, so this past Friday I picked up 4GB more of ram for a total of 8GB now. I did the CraigsList (CL) route for $35 though as didn't want to spend too much. Of course my Win 7 has been behaving badly for the last few months and I think I need to do a clean install, which I'm sure will fix a few things and I know will really speed it up.

Went to Micro Center 3 weeks ago and they had some 4GB DDR2 for $48-60 or so. I did look in the bin pile and found some for $42 IIRC, but knew I could do better online, was still on the fence about it at the time though. My thought was, should I just spend the money on a new system and get 12-16GB of ram for only $50 more than the 4GB I would of bought at Micro Center. With new CPU and MB, then I'll also have Sata3 for the newer SSD's with a new system? Decided to save the cash and spend the money on a new progressive reloader and new gun parts.

Still on the fence on the SSD's though, as I'd rather not buy a Sata3 SDD and waste 200mb of speed on a Sata2 system. That's a dumb way to go about it though, I think Tilt090 that you are making a good choice though. For your new build in 2-3 years; since it sounds like your going to get a laptop next year then you could turn your SSD into a Cache one like you can with Z68 motherboards (Cache can use 64gb max , don't know if Win8 will change that though) and then get a newer faster SSD as your OS drive.

I'm glad I went with the 8GB total ram amount. Now I can have 3 instances of Firefox going at the same time, along with Thunderbird and Word docs.... and sometimes VM's.

Main thing for me to get a new system is for Dragon NatSpeak, but this will do for now though. That program uses A LOT of memory, to make it work well they say you should get 12GB, it's not really needed but it helps if you want to run just about any program along with it and not worry about RAM issues. Well not withstanding high end games and Maya3D type programs.

Also Win8 is supposed to use less RAM than Win7, well it has too really since it's geared towards touchpads with low system specs. I just dont' know about that damn Metro UI though. As of tonight I was thinking of getting the Win8 RTM and putting it in a VM, how I ran across this topic.

If you need 8GB of RAM when you're not running VMs and just have firefox and word open - you are doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with your system.

4GB is still perfectly capable for gaming machines, the only time it becomes necessary is when you're running VMs or audio / video / graphics editing.

You should be happy with the route your taking with the SSD. I assume your going to do a clean install with the SSD though, I think it's the only way to do it though.

On your next PC build, I'd suggest getting an aftermarket HSF (Heat Sink Fan), assuming you don't have one. I bought one and am glad I did for my Q6600, if anything you can just do higher OCing in the colder months if you don't want to tax your AC in the summer. I think I built mine 3 years ago. I don't OC all the time though, but it's nice to be able to easily do it with a good HSF, that way you might get another 6-12 months out of your system towards the end of it's life to hold you over to the CPU/MB Generation that you really want to save for.

I just was pondering this question myself the last 3 weeks. I kept running into RAM issues with 4GB, so this past Friday I picked up 4GB more of ram for a total of 8GB now. I did the CraigsList (CL) route for $35 though as didn't want to spend too much. Of course my Win 7 has been behaving badly for the last few months and I think I need to do a clean install, which I'm sure will fix a few things and I know will really speed it up.

Went to Micro Center 3 weeks ago and they had some 4GB DDR2 for $48-60 or so. I did look in the bin pile and found some for $42 IIRC, but knew I could do better online, was still on the fence about it at the time though. My thought was, should I just spend the money on a new system and get 12-16GB of ram for only $50 more than the 4GB I would of bought at Micro Center. With new CPU and MB, then I'll also have Sata3 for the newer SSD's with a new system? Decided to save the cash and spend the money on a new progressive reloader and new gun parts.

Still on the fence on the SSD's though, as I'd rather not buy a Sata3 SDD and waste 200mb of speed on a Sata2 system. That's a dumb way to go about it though, I think Tilt090 that you are making a good choice though. For your new build in 2-3 years; since it sounds like your going to get a laptop next year then you could turn your SSD into a Cache one like you can with Z68 motherboards (Cache can use 64gb max , don't know if Win8 will change that though) and then get a newer faster SSD as your OS drive.

I'm glad I went with the 8GB total ram amount. Now I can have 3 instances of Firefox going at the same time, along with Thunderbird and Word docs.... and sometimes VM's.

Main thing for me to get a new system is for Dragon NatSpeak, but this will do for now though. That program uses A LOT of memory, to make it work well they say you should get 12GB, it's not really needed but it helps if you want to run just about any program along with it and not worry about RAM issues. Well not withstanding high end games and Maya3D type programs.

Also Win8 is supposed to use less RAM than Win7, well it has too really since it's geared towards touchpads with low system specs. I just dont' know about that damn Metro UI though. As of tonight I was thinking of getting the Win8 RTM and putting it in a VM, how I ran across this topic.

Saying all that I built a new PC last Sept/Oct 2011 for my aunt and uncle. It was an Intel 2500k with Z68 MB ($80 off combo from Micro Center helped). Got a 3tb hard drive, 8GB of DDR3 and a Crucial M4 128gb SSD, which wasn't the fastest SSD, but it had good reviews. It's a PITA to do a clean install, especially if it's not your PC and they don't back up enough. If you do weekly images then it's not a big deal if it's your PC, if you do a lot of important stuff on your PC then that should be every 2-4 days. I also got the Micro Center 2 or 3 yr extended exchange warranty (just walk in and get a new one), SSDs do fail more than other components, especially OCZ. It was a fast PC for sure, the boot up times and overall experience was great. However I think a fair amount of it was just the SSD on the Sata3 interface, hard drives are by far the slowest thing in a PC, even the fastest SSD's don't compare to the internal speed of what happens within the MB (not counting USB or DVD drives). If they want it to be faster in 2-3 years they can just get a 64GB for the cache like I was talking about earlier. Also I can get them an aftermarket HSF and OC it a little bit.

If you need 8GB of RAM when you're not running VMs and just have firefox and word open - you are doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with your system.

4GB is still perfectly capable for gaming machines, the only time it becomes necessary is when you're running VMs or audio / video / graphics editing.

I figured something was wrong with my system. One forum I went into 4-5 months ago got hacked, however I was running Firefox in Sandboxie so wasn't worried. A week later I went to the site within regular FF without thinking, Avast stopped it but something was off a little bit.

I usually run 3 different (seperate) installs of Firefox with 1 maybe running 50-75+ windows/tabs and another doing the same. The 3rd usually is just doing like 12-30 or so. I sometimes run more though, I have 3 regular FF's, have 6+ set up in Sandboxie to do and save sessions for different things (research...), just have to have keep notes on what I use each for. Of course using

Right now I have 3.0GB available and 4 mb free according to task manager. Only 1 Word Doc right now, sometimes have 5-10 and maybe an Excel or two. Almost always have VLC running (dnld YouTube Vids among others) with something along with some Java progs; JDownloader for instance. I have no VM's running right now though.

I still want to do a clean install sometime within the next month or two. Think should do one every 9-12 months anyways. Well with my aunt and uncle how they use they're PC, only need every 2 to 3 years really.

Man this is annoying, it won't let me post it. Sometimes when I think it does I get an error msg. Of course first time signing onto a forum through Facebook, the last time too.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • The quantum search for Time's origin had an equally mind-boggling conclusion by Sayan Sen Image by Steve Johnson via Pexels A theoretical study from researchers at the University of Surrey suggested that the direction of time may not be fundamentally fixed in certain quantum systems. The work, published in Scientific Reports, examined how the “arrow of time” could emerge from microscopic physics and found that time-reversal symmetry can remain intact even in models used to describe processes such as energy loss and thermalisation. The arrow of time refers to the observed one-way direction from past to future in everyday life. In macroscopic processes, this is easy to see. Spilled milk spreads across a table and does not gather back into a glass, and heat flows from hotter objects to colder ones. These processes shape the common sense idea that time moves in a single direction. However, at the level of fundamental physics, many equations do not prefer a direction of time. Time-reversal symmetry means that the same physical laws can describe a system whether time moves forward or backward. This has made it difficult to explain why irreversible behaviour appears in the large-scale world even when the underlying rules do not require it. Dr Andrea Rocco, Associate Professor in Physics and Mathematical Biology at the University of Surrey, described this contrast: "One way to explain this is when you look at a process like spilt milk spreading across a table, it's clear that time is moving forward. But if you were to play that in reverse, like a movie, you'd immediately know something was wrong – it would be hard to believe milk could just gather back into a glass. However, there are processes, such as the motion of a pendulum, that look just as believable in reverse. The puzzle is that, at the most fundamental level, the laws of physics resemble the pendulum; they do not account for irreversible processes. Our findings suggest that while our common experience tells us that time only moves one way, we are just unaware that the opposite direction would have been equally possible." The study focused on open quantum systems, which are quantum systems that interact with a surrounding environment. This environment, often described as a heat bath, can exchange energy and information with the system. The researchers used this framework to study how a direction of time might appear even when the underlying physics does not enforce one. A key part of the analysis involved the Markov approximation. This is a simplification used in many models where the system is assumed not to retain memory of its past states. The idea is that changes depend only on the current state, not on earlier history. This is commonly used when studying thermalisation, which is the process where a system settles into equilibrium with its environment. The study also used concepts such as master equations, including the Lindblad and Pauli equations, which describe how probabilities of different quantum states change over time. Another related model discussed was quantum Brownian motion, which describes the random-like movement of a quantum particle interacting continuously with its environment. In these descriptions, a “memory kernel” can appear, which is a mathematical term that accounts for how past states influence current behaviour. The researchers found that applying the Markov approximation did not break time-reversal symmetry. Even when the system interacted with an effectively infinite heat bath, the resulting equations of motion remained symmetric in time. This meant that the same mathematical description could, in principle, run forward or backward in time without contradiction. The study further showed that standard frameworks used in open quantum systems, including quantum Brownian motion and master equations like the Lindblad and Pauli forms, could be written in a time-symmetric way. These equations are typically used to describe processes that look irreversible, such as dissipation and thermalisation, but the results suggested they can also be interpreted as allowing evolution in both time directions. Thomas Guff, Research Fellow in Quantum Thermodynamics, said: "The surprising part of this project was that even after making the standard simplifying assumption to our equations describing open quantum systems, the equations still behaved the same way whether the system was moving forwards or backwards in time. When we carefully worked through the maths, we found that this behaviour had to be the case because a key part of the equation, the "memory kernel," is symmetrical in time. We also found a small but important detail which is usually overlooked – a time discontinuous factor emerged that kept the time-symmetry property intact. It’s unusual to see such a mathematical mechanism in a physics equation because it's not continuous, and it was very surprising to see it appear so naturally." The researchers also noted that deriving a one-way arrow of time from time-reversal symmetric microscopic dynamics remains an open problem across fields such as thermodynamics, statistical mechanics, particle physics, and cosmology. Their results suggested that some standard descriptions of irreversible behaviour in open quantum systems may be better understood using a time-symmetric formulation of Markovianity. According to the study, processes such as thermalisation, which are usually treated as irreversible, could in theory be described in a way that allows evolution in either time direction under the same rules. This does not imply that time reversal occurs in everyday life, but rather that the underlying equations do not strictly enforce a single direction. Overall, the findings suggested that the perceived direction of time may emerge from how physical systems are modelled and approximated, rather than from a fundamental asymmetry in the laws themselves. The researchers noted that this perspective could have implications for ongoing work in quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, and cosmology on the origin of time’s arrow. Source: University of Surrey, Nature This article was generated with some help from AI and reviewed by an editor. Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, this material is used for the purpose of news reporting. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing
    • A bit premature... 100% Marketing. Bizarre.
    • A $300 price hike is insane! No one is going to want to pay that much!
    • Since the 1st one flopped, there is really no reason to make another one. It's just losing money left and right.
  • Recent Achievements

    • Reacting Well
      BizSAR earned a badge
      Reacting Well
    • First Post
      AndreaB earned a badge
      First Post
    • Week One Done
      Huge Trailer earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Week One Done
      Classifyskilleducation earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Month Later
      eurospharma62 earned a badge
      One Month Later
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      581
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      182
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      75
    4. 4
      Michael Scrip
      73
    5. 5
      neufuse
      64
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!