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  1. 1. What Mac Should I Buy?

    • MacBook Pro
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    • iMac 27"
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Okay so I borrowed my friends brand new Mac Mini for a few weeks and I have been using it on and off along with my windows machine and I am seriously considering buying a Mac because I want something that can do light video editing (Making software guides etc) but using the Mac Mini it didn't have enough power and my Windows PC certainty does not either, it has a AMD Dual Core, 6GB DDR2 Ram and an 8600GT and it is really time for an upgrade X-x.

so I have a few questions and I do not know what model to pick..,

1) The MacBook Pro (Non Retina)

OK so my first choice is the MacBook Pro without the Retina display because of a few reasons.
  1. I can change the ram in the machine, in the Retina model it is all soldered in so it can't be changed.
  2. The DVD Drive,I can buy a bracket that will allow me to replace the DVD Drive with a Laptop HDD such as a 1TB Drive for storage and a 256GB SSD as the Boot drive.
  3. Their are a bunch of stands out there that will allow me to have it standing up and use it as a desktop machine which is what I want but it has the added advantage of being able to be used in bed or something which is something the other 2 in the list do not have...

2) The iMac 27" 2560x1440

The reason the iMac is on the list is because it has an Amazing screen and I have heard they make an amazing Workstation PC (Nothing like a Mac Pro but they are WAY to expensive for me) and I heard that they use Laptop CPUs and Laptop Ram and for a desktop I am a little concerned if that will make any noticeable difference, I know the MacBook pro does to but, well it's a laptop so yeah. Also I am a little concerned because I read that the new models you have to take the screen off to upgrade RAM and changed the HDD and that you can not add a Second HDD to the iMac and I really want at least a 256GB SSD OS Drive and a 1TB + Storage drive. So that is why I am a bit weary of picking this one.

3) Building a Hackintosh (Yeah I know ><)

OK so the reason that this on this list is because, with how easy it is to Install Mountain Lion (Buying it from Apple of course) on a Compatible PC you can have pretty much everything working and have it running just as good as a Legitimate Mac computer. But if I go down this route it can be a lot of hassle etc especially with updates and I like how Legit apple products feel construction wise (like the iPhone and Mac Mini) so I want that But the Hackintosh is way cheaper, I can add a bunch more storage to it etc so yeah.

So those are my 3 options for moving to OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion which is something I am 100% set on but I would also like to know if anyone has any experience with their performance in Windows 8 as I will be running that in Boot Camp too and I only play like 2 games, World of Warcraft and Minecraft which are both OS X Compatible anyway so that is a non issue but I would like to know about their performance with those 2 games as well. And finally, Life span I don't want to have to get the newest Mac every time they are released id like to skip a generation without feeling like my system is going to die if I don't buy a new one so comments about their life span is also welcome.

I look forward to reading the responses about what Mac I should buy and what you guys think I should do because I am ready to make the switch to OS X from Windows : )

Thank you...

- Fractal

I'd probably say iMac but they are due for a refresh if I recall. I use a MBP for my music stuff since it's portable but all my video and photo editing is done on my 27" iMac. Both are i7's so speed-wise they are pretty similar.

I'd probably say iMac but they are due for a refresh if I recall. I use a MBP for my music stuff since it's portable but all my video and photo editing is done on my 27" iMac. Both are i7's so speed-wise they are pretty similar.

I know their due for a re-fresh so I didn't list things like CPU speed Etc so I can wait but still because of the iMac and the MacBook Pro have laptop components is the iMac really any faster than the MacBook Pro?

Light video editing? The Mini (assuming it's new) should have plenty of power for that.

Anyway, they're all basically the same in a different form factor. An SSD + at least 4GBs of RAM and you're good, just pick the processor you want. You can find Macbook Pros cheap(er) now that the Retina is out, but the resolution on the 13'' kind of sucks for full time use, so you're going to definitely want to be able to plug it in .

Light video editing? The Mini (assuming it's new) should have plenty of power for that.

Anyway, they're all basically the same in a different form factor. An SSD + at least 4GBs of RAM and you're good, just pick the processor you want. You can find Macbook Pros cheap(er) now that the Retina is out, but the resolution on the 13'' kind of sucks for full time use, so you're going to definitely want to be able to plug it in .

The Mini could do it but it was just not quick enough for me and I want to be able to play a couple of games on it, I tried WoW on the mini and with the HD4000 graphics it was icky at best for me.

If I drop to 4GB of ram that is less than in my windows PC I was hoping to buy myself a 16GB kit and use that so I have tons of head room.

Also if I do go for the MacBook Pro I will be using it as a "desktop" so a monitor will be plugged into it.

The iMac does look good but I doubt I am going to be able to add 1SSD and a 1HDD to it myself and 16GB of RAM X_x.

The Mini could do it but it was just not quick enough for me and I want to be able to play a couple of games on it, I tried WoW on the mini and with the HD4000 graphics it was icky at best for me.

If I drop to 4GB of ram that is less than in my windows PC I was hoping to buy myself a 16GB kit and use that so I have tons of head room.

Also if I do go for the MacBook Pro I will be using it as a "desktop" so a monitor will be plugged into it.

The iMac does look good but I doubt I am going to be able to add 1SSD and a 1HDD to it myself and 16GB of RAM X_x.

If you didn't like the Mac Mini, you want an iMac then. The current laptop-based Macs only take up to 8GBs of RAM, and honestly that's all you need. You'd have to go up to a 15'' Macbook to get a decent video card.

And yeah, the 27'' iMac with an SSD + HD + 16 GBs of RAM + a decent GPU is going to cost you mint.

Did you try gaming in OSX, or Windows? The performance can be vastly different for most Mac games. A lot of things that are unplayable on my Macbook (320M) run fine at native resolution in Windows.

If you didn't like the Mac Mini, you want an iMac then. The current laptop-based Macs only take up to 8GBs of RAM, and honestly that's all you need. You'd have to go up to a 15'' Macbook to get a decent video card.

And yeah, the 27'' iMac with an SSD + HD + 16 GBs of RAM + a decent GPU is going to cost you mint.

Did you try gaming in OSX, or Windows? The performance can be vastly different for most Mac games. A lot of things that are unplayable on my Macbook (320M) run fine at native resolution in Windows.

I tried the Intel HD4000 on OS X because I don't own Boot Camp.

Also I plan on adding the RAM and SSD myself to either of them (also didn't know the MBP only supported 8gb) because I am not paying an extra ?480 for an SSD and and an extra ?240 to bump the RAM up to 16 GB I'd rather do it myself even if it does void the warranty.

I tried the Intel HD4000 on OS X because I don't own Boot Camp.

Also I plan on adding the RAM and SSD myself to either of them (also didn't know the MBP only supported 8gb) because I am not paying an extra ?480 for an SSD and and an extra ?240 to bump the RAM up to 16 GB I'd rather do it myself even if it does void the warranty.

Okay sorry for double posting but...

1) Didn't realize OS X Came with boot camp X_x.

2) I am pretty much set on the iMac but I have a few questions and I can't edit my post...

If I was to buy a new iMac can I add a second HDD to it myself?

and If I was to void the warranty doing this, would apple fix it if anything goes wrong (I know id most likely have to pay for them to fix it but oh well)

EDIT: 6 people want me to build a Hackintosh o.0 didn't think it would be that popular.

I know their due for a re-fresh so I didn't list things like CPU speed Etc so I can wait but still because of the iMac and the MacBook Pro have laptop components is the iMac really any faster than the MacBook Pro?

No, in fact even thought the specs are nearly the same, my MBP is a bit faster. I'd still lean towards the iMac for your uses because of the large screen. Just my personal preference,

No, in fact even thought the specs are nearly the same, my MBP is a bit faster. I'd still lean towards the iMac for your uses because of the large screen. Just my personal preference,

See that is what I don't get. If the iMac is meant to be a desktop computer (and they say it is) why in gods name is the MacBook pro faster. To be honest right now, all the iMac seems to be is a laptop on a stick : /.

Will Hakintosh run on your current "AMD Dual Core, 6GB DDR2 Ram and an 8600GT" system? Idk what you mean by "light video editing". Light video editing could be done on a computer 10 years ago and will probably work just fine on your current computer.

I'm such an Apple fanboy and hate to say this, but have you tried Sony Vegas at all on your current Windows machine? Its a pretty awesome video editing program. I'd say it is as good as iMovie.

Of course, better hardware will also yield a better experience. If you want to get good performance for cheaper than Apple hardware go with Hakintosh. You will have a few issues here-and-there and need to avoid updates until you do a little research to make sure that the updates won't break anything (if you research your hardware I don't think they will).

If you really want a Mac (it really sounds like that is what you want), then the question is do you need something portable? Having a portable has its advantages, and you can always add on a nice 27" thunderbolt display where you can attach all kinds of storage goodness.

If it were me, I'd probably want the Retina MacBook Pro and just get it with 8GB of ram, an SSD, and buy a nice external thunderbolt hard drive for mass storage and probably an external optical drive. I have a 2009 MacBook Pro and did what you were thinking: SSD as main drive, larger HDD where my optical drive use to be. Its OK. I have had issues with the HDD and it might be related to the adapter that came with the kit or it might just be that the HDD is going bad. Haven't really looked into it much yet.

Hmmm...I'm not sure my post was helpful at all. Anyway, good luck!

If you really want to do video editing, there are lots of amazing editors available for Windows like Premier pro, Edius, Sony Vegas pro, Powerdirector ( for basic editing ). I have hackintosh setup, i use FCP on my hackintosh machine ( because i work as a part time video editor and have to deal with FCP projects ), but i dont see much difference in FCP and other editors. So i recommend you to stay with windows if video editing is the reason behind switch. Plus your hardware is good for video editing, it can handle it without upgrade. :)

Or if you really want to use OSX, building hackintosh is best solution than. I have hackintosh setup from leopard days, and there are tons of guides, kexts, drivers etc available on tonymac forum for almost every piece of hardware.

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Why exactly do you need a Mac in the first place to do video editing?

Also, you can build an insane PC for the price of either of those Macs.

Why exactly do you need to tell everyone who want to have a mac otherwise?

Back on topic: The iMac is insanely great for media editing. That screen + industrial design is fantastic if your studio is opened for your clients.

If you didn't like the Mac Mini, you want an iMac then. The current laptop-based Macs only take up to 8GBs of RAM, and honestly that's all you need. You'd have to go up to a 15'' Macbook to get a decent video card.

I have the Retina Macbook Pro ... with 16gb Ram. I don't know where you get the information about the current Macbook Pro's only taking 8gb. My Macbook Pro retina has a blisteringly fast SSD, 16GB Ram etc. I do very high intensity audio and graphics work on it beautifully. On the retina screen and into my Thunderbolt display (27 inch) :)

Will Hakintosh run on your current "AMD Dual Core, 6GB DDR2 Ram and an 8600GT" system? Idk what you mean by "light video editing". Light video editing could be done on a computer 10 years ago and will probably work just fine on your current computer.

I'm such an Apple fanboy and hate to say this, but have you tried Sony Vegas at all on your current Windows machine? Its a pretty awesome video editing program. I'd say it is as good as iMovie.

Of course, better hardware will also yield a better experience. If you want to get good performance for cheaper than Apple hardware go with Hakintosh. You will have a few issues here-and-there and need to avoid updates until you do a little research to make sure that the updates won't break anything (if you research your hardware I don't think they will).

If you really want a Mac (it really sounds like that is what you want), then the question is do you need something portable? Having a portable has its advantages, and you can always add on a nice 27" thunderbolt display where you can attach all kinds of storage goodness.

If it were me, I'd probably want the Retina MacBook Pro and just get it with 8GB of ram, an SSD, and buy a nice external thunderbolt hard drive for mass storage and probably an external optical drive. I have a 2009 MacBook Pro and did what you were thinking: SSD as main drive, larger HDD where my optical drive use to be. Its OK. I have had issues with the HDD and it might be related to the adapter that came with the kit or it might just be that the HDD is going bad. Haven't really looked into it much yet.

Hmmm...I'm not sure my post was helpful at all. Anyway, good luck!

No it wont run on this system which is why I said build one...

and by light video editing I mean things like cutting together a lot of video etc with minimal effect adding or doing fancy stuff with it, i have tried video editing on this system but it took me 4 hours to render a 15 minute video at 720p with Sony Vegas and yeah it was slow as hell and I didn't like vegas.

My concern with a hackintosh is well, it's a hackintosh so **** will go wrong and as much as I enjoy tinkering around with stuff I don't wanna spend really hours fixing it after an update because something broke.

The reason I decided against the Retina is because, well... The amount apple charges for SSDs is damn unread. I could probably install it myself, voiding the warranty and pay to have them fix it and it will still be cheaper. Also the Retina display is a non factor because it will be permanently closed, in a stand hooked up to an external monitor if I do buy one.

If you really want to do video editing, there are lots of amazing editors available for Windows like Premier pro, Edius, Sony Vegas pro, Powerdirector ( for basic editing ). I have hackintosh setup, i use FCP on my hackintosh machine ( because i work as a part time video editor and have to deal with FCP projects ), but i dont see much difference in FCP and other editors. So i recommend you to stay with windows if video editing is the reason behind switch. Plus your hardware is good for video editing, it can handle it without upgrade. :)

My hardware isn't good for video editing. a Athlon x2 4000 dual core, 6gb of 800Mhz of DDR 2 ram, and I can't even render a video longer than an hour without it taking 12 so yeah. Also I tried Final cut pro on the Mac Mini when I had it, and I used Premier and Vegas on Windows and honestly, Final Cut Pro was better IMO.

Why exactly do you need a Mac in the first place to do video editing?

Also, you can build an insane PC for the price of either of those Macs.

Maybe he wants to use a Mac. The PC argument is invalid in every respect when someone has decided they want a Mac. It's not just about the s**t inside the box you know :)

My hardware isn't good for video editing. a Athlon x2 4000 dual core, 6gb of 800Mhz of DDR 2 ram, and I can't even render a video longer than an hour without it taking 12 so yeah. Also I tried Final cut pro on the Mac Mini when I had it, and I used Premier and Vegas on Windows and honestly, Final Cut Pro was better IMO.

Well of course it will take time to render. Rendering will be faster in new machines. Be it Mac or Windows based PC. About the FCP part, i disagree, I use premier pro + after effects for most of my work, and i see no difference. Both have Community support, wide variety of plugins and presets and templates. FCP was better in old time when there was no serious competitor. Now its different story. I have even seen studios who entirely work on "Edius".

Why exactly do you need a Mac in the first place to do video editing?

Also, you can build an insane PC for the price of either of those Macs.

Don't really want a PC anymore, I didn't come here to ask what was better or PC or a Mac I came here to help me make a Choice between what Mac Model to get.

Why exactly do you need to tell everyone who want to have a mac otherwise?

Back on topic: The iMac is insanely great for media editing. That screen + industrial design is fantastic if your studio is opened for your clients.

I do like the look of the screen, It's just I want a mass storage drive with the system that is internal so that is going to be a pain.

I have the Retina Macbook Pro ... with 16gb Ram. I don't know where you get the information about the current Macbook Pro's only taking 8gb. My Macbook Pro retina has a blisteringly fast SSD, 16GB Ram etc. I do very high intensity audio and graphics work on it beautifully. On the retina screen and into my Thunderbolt display (27 inch) :)

The screen on those is nice but the lack of being able to add my own RAM and SSD is annoying.

Maybe he wants to use a Mac. The PC argument is invalid in every respect when someone has decided they want a Mac. It's not just about the s**t inside the box you know :)

True Facts yo.

Well of course it will take time to render. Rendering will be faster in new machines. Be it Mac or Windows based PC. About the FCP part, i disagree, I use premier pro + after effects for most of my work, and i see no difference. Both have Community support, wide variety of plugins and presets and templates. FCP was better in old time when there was no serious competitor. Now its different story. I have even seen studios who entirely work on "Edius".

I dunno, I just liked Final Cut better. *Shrug.

I have the Retina Macbook Pro ... with 16gb Ram. I don't know where you get the information about the current Macbook Pro's only taking 8gb. My Macbook Pro retina has a blisteringly fast SSD, 16GB Ram etc. I do very high intensity audio and graphics work on it beautifully. On the retina screen and into my Thunderbolt display (27 inch) :)

Non-retina, on the tech page it says they can be configured up to 8. I assume the retina has a newer motherboard.

Also, based on what you've said, the 15'' Pro is probably the way to go. SSD swap is easy, getting a case to replace the optical drive for another hard drive is easy, GPU is decent compared to the 13'', especially if you don't mind running Boot Camp.

FWIW, I have a Macbook Pro, and I married into an iMac (which I'm using at the moment!). Coming from a BYO PC background, I think iMacs are insanely overpriced. But nice looking.

I dunno, I just liked Final Cut better. *Shrug.

Well if you have made your mind, and dont want to setup hackintosh, i suggest get an iMac, its beautiful plus pleasure to work with.

Well hmm... The last gen of MacBook Pro were easier to upgrade (I upgraded mine w/o any problems) but I think you will be limited to 8GB of ram.

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP619

The current gen iMacs will support 16GB of ram though. Sounds like that is what you want. I think that there are issues with replacing the SSD in an iMac where the fans go full blast because of a missing temperature sensor pin or something like that.

Non-retina, on the tech page it says they can be configured up to 8. I assume the retina has a newer motherboard.

Also, based on what you've said, the 15'' Pro is probably the way to go. SSD swap is easy, getting a case to replace the optical drive for another hard drive is easy, GPU is decent compared to the 13'', especially if you don't mind running Boot Camp.

FWIW, I have a Macbook Pro, and I married into an iMac (which I'm using at the moment!). Coming from a BYO PC background, I think iMacs are insanely overpriced. But nice looking.

Coming from a BYO PC background, I don't think Mac's are overpriced. I think they're perfectly priced.

A friend of mine has an old Austin Mini ... it has been modded to destroy a Ferrari off the line.

But I'd much rather have the Ferrari ;) Sometimes, the speed at which something runs isn't the only factor. A cheap PC instead of a Mac is the equivalent of buying a Vauxhall Corsa instead of a BMW M3. I'd rather work in comfort, on the best screens, the best trackpads, the best keyboards, the best build quality etc, and still smokin' fast.

But to each their own.

Non-retina, on the tech page it says they can be configured up to 8. I assume the retina has a newer motherboard.

Also, based on what you've said, the 15'' Pro is probably the way to go. SSD swap is easy, getting a case to replace the optical drive for another hard drive is easy, GPU is decent compared to the 13'', especially if you don't mind running Boot Camp.

FWIW, I have a Macbook Pro, and I married into an iMac (which I'm using at the moment!). Coming from a BYO PC background, I think iMacs are insanely overpriced. But nice looking.

I just read online that the new Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro non retina can take 16GB of RAM and now I am confused because I'm hearing that it can only take 8 or it can take 16 ><.

Well hmm... The last gen of MacBook Pro were easier to upgrade (I upgraded mine w/o any problems) but I think you will be limited to 8GB of ram.

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP619

The current gen iMacs will support 16GB of ram though. Sounds like that is what you want. I think that there are issues with replacing the SSD in an iMac where the fans go full blast because of a missing temperature sensor pin or something like that.

So if I do add an SSD to the iMac the fans will be going full whack X_x. Those fans are small so they wont be quiet either X-x.

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You can twist or press it to perform various actions, depending on the current use case scenario. When reading books, twisting the dial flips through pages, and pressing it refreshes the screen. On the home screen, the dial adjusts the brightness, and holding the dial pressed launches voice note recording. Finally, a quick double press launches the DuRoBo AI chatbot. While the dial scroll is not notched, it is very smooth and has haptic feedback that confirms your actions, which feels very nice. As a long-term Apple Watch user, I love the idea behind the dial. It feels very natural and oddly satisfying to use, especially with that subtle haptic feedback. I never liked flipping pages with touch input, and I strongly believe each e-reader should come with some sort of physical controls for turning pages. The Krono has both volume buttons (which also work as page turners) and the dial, so you are free to use whichever you prefer. With that said, the dial is not perfect. For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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