The native Start menu is back, everyone rejoice!

[Dot Matrix]

Why should they, though?

• It doesn't affect other people (e.g. you) that do NOT use it.
• It doesn't affect THEM.
• It's not a security issue.

Plus if they remove it, people would just move to other solutions anyway. So I really don't see why they should spend more effort on this rather than fixing bugs / introducing new features.

Most likely, it'll just be like UXtheme patching years ago. Remember how that always broke with updates?

[firey]

This is not needed at all and hopefully Microsoft will prevent it from working with the first set of updates.

This is 100% needed, not sure what version of 8 you are using that you thing the start menu isn't needed.

[GreenMartian]

Most likely, it'll just be like UXtheme patching years ago. Remember how that always broke with updates?

Heh yeah. I always wondered why they included a theming engine like UXtheme, and only use it for ONE theme. Luna in XP and Aero after it.

[flexkeyboard]

@Tihiy is it possible to bring back the "Pin to Start Menu" system-wide? Right now you can only do it within the Start menu program items, but not in explorer.

@Tihiy is it possible to bring back the "Pin to Start Menu" system-wide? Right now you can only do it within the Start menu program items, but not in explorer.

[aviator189]

ive gotten pretty used to windows 8 without the start button, so i'm good even though i like the start button.

[Tihiy]

@Tihiy is it possible to bring back the "Pin to Start Menu" system-wide? Right now you can only do it within the Start menu program items, but not in explorer.

It is in explorer unless you enabled 'launch folder in separate instances'. Nevertheless, it'll be fixed soon. You can drag&drop on start button instead.

[LAMj]

It is in explorer unless you enabled 'launch folder in separate instances'. Nevertheless, it'll be fixed soon. You can drag&drop on start button instead.

I had mine to run in separate process, forgot about it until now.

Anyway, I notice that the bottom-left hot border will reappear after switching monitors or turn on dual monitor setup.

[Sergey "hb860"]

I had mine to run in separate process, forgot about it until now.

Anyway, I notice that the bottom-left hot border will reappear after switching monitors or turn on dual monitor setup.

That is because it has a "brother" at the second display, which also have to be disabled :)

[Tihiy]

Anyway, I notice that the bottom-left hot border will reappear after switching monitors or turn on dual monitor setup.

Can you test if it hides back if you switch to Metro and back to desktop?

That is because it has a "brother" at the second display, which also have to be disabled

I don't disable them ;)

[Sergey "hb860"]

I do not disable that corner too. It is useful

[Noir Angel]

Most likely, it'll just be like UXtheme patching years ago. Remember how that always broke with updates?

Wrong, it's just a hook to some functions already present in Explorer, no files are altered Tihiy gave a detailed explanation of how it works on MSFN which I'd suggest reading before jumping to assumptions.

[LAMj]

Can you test if it hides back if you switch to Metro and back to desktop?

Yes, I can confirm that. But on dual monitors setup, the secondary monitor still show it (which I think is not a big deal, it's actually useful =D)

[Tihiy]

Yes, I can confirm that. But on dual monitors setup, the secondary monitor still show it (which I think is not a big deal, it's actually useful =D)

Okay, then it's fixed in beta 2.

[nekrosoft13]

keep up the good work Tihiy!!

[c.grz]

#1: Hate to be picky

#2: I don't know if anyone else has stated this, but...

If you need a 3rd party app to add functionality; it can't be called the "native" start menu.

Other than that, good work on recreating the start menu for people that need it!

[Brandon H Supervisor]

#1: Hate to be picky

#2: I don't know if anyone else has stated this, but...

If you need a 3rd party app to add functionality; it can't be called the "native" start menu.

Other than that, good work on recreating the start menu for people that need it!

from what i understand it he calls it 'native' because it's using code from windows that was thought to have been removed but only hidden

[ahhell]

I don't get it. Instead of adding all this third party crap, why not try and get used to what is already there? :s

[Arceles]

I don't get it. Instead of adding all this third party crap, why not try and get used to what is already there? :s

I prefer to call it "improve user experience" because the default one it's not enough

[firey]

I don't get it. Instead of adding all this third party crap, why not try and get used to what is already there? :s

Because what's there sucks for some people, myself included. I won't be using 8, but if forced the first thing I'd look for is a start menu replacement, and a way to disable metro.

[Tihiy]

Beta 3 has arrived and ready for widespread testing.

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/158666-start-is-back-beta-3/page__view__findpost__p__1015929

[flexkeyboard]

Beta 3 has arrived and ready for widespread testing.

http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1015929

cool bean Tihiy!, I hope you fixed the hot corner reappearing and multiple displays issues.

[Tihiy]

cool bean Tihiy!, I hope you fixed the hot corner reappearing and multiple displays issues.

Yeah, they were fixed in Beta 2.

[Tihiy]

Version 1.0 of best start menu for Windows 8 is available :rofl:

http://www.startisback.com/

[Winbuntu]

Good news indeed and the price is freindly..

[nekrosoft13]

I don't get it. Instead of adding all this third party crap, why not try and get used to what is already there? :s

because whats already there is crap. IF i buy windows tablet i will use metro start screen, but not on my desktop.