microsoft surface Like your Surface? No, you can't (or shouldn't). It's a bad dev

[The King of GnG]

Nobody ****ing cares, dude.

Other people have different needs/wants. Deal with it.

And I don't give a **** about other people's needs. Well, at least until someone starts yelling at me that my way of using computers and technology is old, "legacy", out of touch and other kind of kind things. And Surface is the Microsoft way of saying these things to me, and I'm not happy with that.

[Ice_Blue]

And I don't give a **** about other people's needs. Well, at least until someone starts yelling at me that my way of using computers and technology is old, "legacy", out of touch and other kind of kind things. And Surface is the Microsoft way of saying these things to me, and I'm not happy with that.

You are a reporter for Neowin, a tech site, and that's your attitude towards technology?

"If I don't like it, it's crap?"

[ahhell]

You are a reporter for Neowin, a tech site, and that's your attitude towards technology?

"If I don't like it, it's crap?"

Yep. What a fantastic asset to Neowin.

[technord]

Yes, I've often said to myself when switching my iPad from portrait to landscape............I want that second of my life back!!!!! You know, I'm so busy with life that I can't wait FOR ONE SECOND!

Hell, I haven't even got time to blink these days. That blackness which interrupts your day when blinking is REALLY annoying me.

[dead.cell]

I don't like Surface, it's **** for me. So said, I don't like it because the ARM architecture is useless and worthless for my computing needs, not because I can't spare a half-second to switch or load some crappy micro-"app" for wasting my time on the absolute nothingness those "smart" mobile devices are designed around....

This is like the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you enter a thread and share your opinion on something you won't even care to use, play, or own. I don't want to call you out each time in each thread, let alone look like a jerk as if I'm stalking you just to say that, but it's getting pretty damn old.

As someone who doesn't own a Surface, I'd much rather see the opinions of those who've used it first hand for my own decision as a consumer. Don't really care about whatever soapbox you're standing on regarding your beliefs and ideals for the direction of technology...

[threetonesun]

I suspect GnG has been angry since DOS went away. :laugh:

[Crimson Rain]

And I don't give a **** about other people's needs. Well, at least until someone starts yelling at me that my way of using computers and technology is old, "legacy", out of touch and other kind of kind things. And Surface is the Microsoft way of saying these things to me, and I'm not happy with that.

/care

[notchinese]

I don't think people understand what lag is....an intentional delay when rotating the screen is not lag.

[astropheed Veteran]

I'm interested in the Surface Pro since I prefer to stay with the x86 architecture if I have a choice. Nothing against ARM though, more-so just the compatibility issues. I wouldn't exactly be upset if I got a Surface RT though.

I do agree with GnG's issues with application lock-down due to appstores. This hasn't really become an issue for me yet, but I just have a feeling it will be in the future and I'm not okay with this. I really didn't think Windows would go that way, but it very well might. Luckily for me there are alternatives to Windows that I'm completely comfortable with. I do hope though that appstores go away, it seems illogical to support them from my point of view.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

I used the Surface in person for the first time today and I'm shocked at how bad of a job Microsoft did with this device. I'm very glad I didn't buy it this time around is all I can say. They need to fix a lot of problems and I think they might need a hardware upgrade to do so.

[astropheed Veteran]

I used the Surface in person for the first time today and I'm shocked at how bad of a job Microsoft did with this device. I'm very glad I didn't buy it this time around is all I can say. They need to fix a lot of problems and I think they might need a hardware upgrade to do so.

Do you have anything to back this up, or are you just making a pointless statement that no one can take anything from? I honestly can't see how one day of use (I assume less than one hour, infact) makes you entitled to such an opinion, but maybe it's actually horrific, and I'd actually like sound reasoning as to why?

Most people just don't like the change it seems, and surprisingly, it's the people who are self-proclaimed 'tech people'. For once I'd like these same people to explain what it is besides the graphical alterations that make Windows 8 so bad. Is it the Control Panel? Does the API make things harder? Are there security issues like open ports, bad default network configurations, bad networking in general at the john doe user level? Is it difficult to multi-task? Does it scream at you for walking around naked?

WHY is it bad? No one cares that you dislike it.

[fsX]

I used the Surface in person for the first time today and I'm shocked at how bad of a job Microsoft did with this device. I'm very glad I didn't buy it this time around is all I can say. They need to fix a lot of problems and I think they might need a hardware upgrade to do so.

Wow, that was very specific. You could be a writer for neowin's front page.

[123456789A]

I could see the lag in the iPad 3 and a little bit of lag on the Surface when I was in Word, but both devices were usable.

[siah1214]

I used the Surface in person for the first time today and I'm shocked at how bad of a job Microsoft did with this device. I'm very glad I didn't buy it this time around is all I can say. They need to fix a lot of problems and I think they might need a hardware upgrade to do so.

I call BS. I haven't met a single person that wasn't downright impressed by the Surface and didn't want to buy one after playing with mine.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Do you have anything to back this up, or are you just making a pointless statement that no one can take anything from? I honestly can't see how one day of use (I assume less than one hour, infact) makes you entitled to such an opinion, but maybe it's actually horrific, and I'd actually like sound reasoning as to why?

Most people just don't like the change it seems, and surprisingly, it's the people who are self-proclaimed 'tech people'. For once I'd like these same people to explain what it is besides the graphical alterations that make Windows 8 so bad. Is it the Control Panel? Does the API make things harder? Are there security issues like open ports, bad default network configurations, bad networking in general at the john doe user level? Is it difficult to multi-task? Does it scream at you for walking around naked?

WHY is it bad? No one cares that you dislike it.

I'm not against change, so stop being presumptuous. Not liking a device isn't indicative of my desire to deal with change. If anything, I feel Windows 8 is great on a tablet, so I'm not sure where you get this bias from.

Anyway, the lag was too much and was present everywhere. Once you use the Surface you'll notice the lag without question and it isn't any fun. I'm also very unsure why they put the full Desktop in there with everything when you can't actually install Windows applications. It only causes you to be confused and annoyed really. Like the Office update... Why do you have to go to Windows Update in "Real Windows" to get it is beyond me. There is no hint that it is actually there and to expect users to find that is just unrealistic.

I could go on, but there really is no need to. I just don't think it is a great device. It is decent as the hardware and build quality are pretty good and all that, but I just don't think it is prime time ready yet.

You may think I should use it for some random amount of time to make up my mind, but I have a life. The Surface isn't free and after using it for myself I wasn't impressed enough to drop a considerable amount of my money on it and I won't. Do what you like with your time and money; I could care less.

[astropheed Veteran]

I'm not against change, so stop being presumptuous. Not liking a device isn't indicative of my desire to deal with change. If anything, I feel Windows 8 is great on a tablet, so I'm not sure where you get this bias from.

Speaking on presumptuous; I never said you were against change, I said it seemed to be the reason most people were against Windows 8.

Also, I have no issues with you deciding quickly that it's not worth your money. I do however have an issue with you telling people how bad it is based on your quick and - in my opinion - unfounded opinions. It'd have been best if you said: "For the short amount of time I spent with it, I decided it wasn't for me".

[linsook]

I'm not against change, so stop being presumptuous. Not liking a device isn't indicative of my desire to deal with change. If anything, I feel Windows 8 is great on a tablet, so I'm not sure where you get this bias from.

Anyway, the lag was too much and was present everywhere. Once you use the Surface you'll notice the lag without question and it isn't any fun. I'm also very unsure why they put the full Desktop in there with everything when you can't actually install Windows applications. It only causes you to be confused and annoyed really. Like the Office update... Why do you have to go to Windows Update in "Real Windows" to get it is beyond me. There is no hint that it is actually there and to expect users to find that is just unrealistic.

I could go on, but there really is no need to. I just don't think it is a great device. It is decent as the hardware and build quality are pretty good and all that, but I just don't think it is prime time ready yet.

You may think I should use it for some random amount of time to make up my mind, but I have a life. The Surface isn't free and after using it for myself I wasn't impressed enough to drop a considerable amount of my money on it and I won't. Do what you like with your time and money; I could care less.

is it not possible to update within metro? charms bar>pc settings>windows update.

[primexx]

wow, the audacity of telling people who actually used it that they shouldn't like it.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Speaking on presumptuous; I never said you were against change, I said it seemed to be the reason most people were against Windows 8.

Also, I have no issues with you deciding quickly that it's not worth your money. I do however have an issue with you telling people how bad it is based on your quick and - in my opinion - unfounded opinions. It'd have been best if you said: "For the short amount of time I spent with it, I decided it wasn't for me".

Unfounded opinions? Err what? So, now I'm not allowed to not like something? The fanboyism here is really getting annoying. I am starting to feel like Neowin has become to Microsoft what iSheep have become to Apple.

I used the device extensively and I wasn't impressed with it. There is nothing unfounded about my opinion. For starters, an opinion is my viewpoint and, as such, isn't possible to be unfounded, as opinion aren't required to be factual... But I digress...

Let us look at the facts though, the device is laggy as many have pointed out and I confirmed for myself when using it. Additionally, you can't get the Office RTM update directly unless you go to Windows Update in Windows 8, not Metro/RT/whatever they call it now. You do have the full Windows Desktop on the device...

I'm failing to see where I had any factual inaccuracies. It is a shame that we can't have honest discussions anymore and instead we're all expected to be someone's sheep.

is it not possible to update within metro? charms bar>pc settings>windows update.

Yes, that is the easiest way to do it. You then have to be sure to navigate the Desktop Windows Update to see all updates and select Office as it is an optional update. If it were a mandatory update you'd get it eventually without having to dig in there, but the didn't flag it as one oddly enough.

[~Johnny]

He isn't wrong though, it's certainly not as snappy as an iPad or a Windows Phone is. But, using 1.3 Ghz ARM chips, I'm just happy it's performing better than Netbooks did with Atom CPU's :p

[dafin0]

I like my surface but with that said i have seen a fair bit a slow down when doing some things such as when im in Windows Explorer and scrolling through files its chuggy, Cut the rope and fruit ninja are a little bit laggy (playable). those are the times i can think of off the top of my head but as i said overall i enjoy the device.

[astropheed Veteran]

The fanboyism here is really getting annoying. I am starting to feel like Neowin has become to Microsoft what iSheep have become to Apple.

Having someone disagree with you doesn't make them anymore a fanboy than you are for your opinions not reflecting theirs. So, with that justification, if you don't like Windows 8 you must be an Apple fanboy. I assure you, I'm not a Windows (8 or otherwise) fanboy. I use multiple systems and I like almost all of them.

I can see a lot of emotions coming from this discussion so I'll just leave it alone now. I just wanted to reply this last time to justify my position of not being biased one way or the other.

[ahhell]

I like my surface but with that said i have seen a fair bit a slow down when doing some things such as when im in Windows Explorer and scrolling through files its chuggy, Cut the rope and fruit ninja are a little bit laggy (playable). those are the times i can think of off the top of my head but as i said overall i enjoy the device.

That's actually useful feedback. I've experienced the same thing.

Am I sorry that purchase one sight unseen? Hell no.

To completely write off a brand new device that has been out under 2 weeks is kind of dickish.

Some of the "sluggishness" will be fixed as apps/OS are being updated constantly. It'll get much better when it's had a bit of time to mature.

[UKDarkJedi]

I could go back and multiquote the two people who referred to my demographics post on page 1 but meh, it's kinda moot now.

I personally think the ipad/ipad mini is targeted at a completely different audience, yes. Ipad is (at least to my mind) aimed at people who want a device for media consumption, browsing (not even all that heavy browsing) and gaming. Surface tries to fill an almost laptop replacement niche that ipads and android tablets thus far cannot hope to achieve (and I'm a huge Android fan) in terms of productivity and being accepted into the workplace - My MD is considering getting a couple for meetings, notes taking, document managing on the go, interfacing with our smartboard etc. So yes I think they are aimed at completely different demographics.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Having someone disagree with you doesn't make them anymore a fanboy than you are for your opinions not reflecting theirs. So, with that justification, if you don't like Windows 8 you must be an Apple fanboy. I assure you, I'm not a Windows (8 or otherwise) fanboy. I use multiple systems and I like almost all of them.

I can see a lot of emotions coming from this discussion so I'll just leave it alone now. I just wanted to reply this last time to justify my position of not being biased one way or the other.

I have no problems disagreeing with anyone. You're the one who called my opinions unfounded...