Is it Standards Compliant to mix HTML and PHP?

November 28, 2012

Can anybody tell me if it is standards compliant to mix php and html?

November 28, 2012

PHP will just render out HTML surely, so it depends what you render out?

November 28, 2012

What standard are you talking about? If you're asking about HTML standards then it doesn't matter what server side technology (PHP, ASP.net, Python) is used because the clients browser doesn't receive it, only the output of those programs/scripts.

November 28, 2012

What standard are you talking about? If you're asking about HTML standards then it doesn't matter what server side technology (PHP, ASP.net, Python) is used because the clients browser doesn't receive it, only the output of those programs/scripts.

I am talking about HTML standards. I just want to make sure that it remains fully compliant. I am working on a CMS and being able to mix the two will make it much easier to create the system. Also, would you recommend that route or maybe using AJAX to implement it? It will be a basic CMS system, but I want it to be able to refresh content on the page without redirecting the user.

November 28, 2012

Me thinks you've got your terms a bit mixed up. PHP will generate HTML, you won't see the PHP in the final markup. HTML standards compliance is a bit of a mixed bag these days, in general people are more concerned about making sure the markup works cross browser than strict adherence to standard, mostly because a lot of HTML 5 features aren't standardized yet.

The main thing to do when using PHP to generate HTML is to separate out the logic from the markup, so that if someone else wanted to redesign or reuse the HTML code, they wouldn't have to sort out all of the PHP to do so.

November 28, 2012

Me thinks you've got your terms a bit mixed up. PHP will generate HTML, you won't see the PHP in the final markup. HTML standards compliance is a bit of a mixed bag these days, in general people are more concerned about making sure the markup works cross browser than strict adherence to standard, mostly because a lot of HTML 5 features aren't standardized yet.

The main thing to do when using PHP to generate HTML is to separate out the logic from the markup, so that if someone else wanted to redesign or reuse the HTML code, they wouldn't have to sort out all of the PHP to do so.

Ok, so something like:


<!DOCTYPE html>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <head>
	    <meta charset="utf-8" />
	    <title>PHP Standards Compliant Test</title>
    </head>
    <body>
	    <?php require 'form.php';?>
    </body>
</html>
[/CODE]

Is that what you mean?

November 28, 2012

Its no problem, but its considered "bad practice" to mix large block of code.

November 28, 2012

Ok, so something like:
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
	<head>
		<meta charset="utf-8" />
		<title>PHP Standards Compliant Test</title>
	</head>
	<body>
		<?php require 'form.php';?>
	</body>
</html>
[/CODE]
Is that what you mean?

We can't tell you if it's standard or not cause we don't know what html code the form.php page will generate.

To know if it's standard load the page in Firefox like a client would do and Validate it using a validator.

November 28, 2012

Ok, so something like:
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
	<head>
		<meta charset="utf-8" />
		<title>PHP Standards Compliant Test</title>
	</head>
	<body>
		<?php require 'form.php';?>
	</body>
</html>
[/CODE]
Is that what you mean?

More likely you'd include the form in the HTML, do simple validation with javascript, and use AJAX to send the results to a php file which handles it, then sends some information back which is processed through javascript, with a fallback to do that without javascript.

The way you have it there's probably a form with HTML markup stuck with PHP code.

November 28, 2012

Just about all the CMS out there that use PHP, Python and all the other scripting languages also generally have the badge that it passed HTML and/or CSS compliant

November 28, 2012

More likely you'd include the form in the HTML, do simple validation with javascript, and use AJAX to send the results to a php file which handles it, then sends some information back which is processed through javascript, with a fallback to do that without javascript.

The way you have it there's probably a form with HTML markup stuck with PHP code.

Ok, so the way that I originally wrote my code would probably be best then? Here is what I had:

news.html:

http://pastebin.com/rB9WgnD2[

ajax.js:

http://pastebin.com/9k1FJq5G

news.php:

http://pastebin.com/dfPtPL6h

November 28, 2012

Just an FYI, alternative syntax makes mixing PHP and HTML easier:

<?php while($a == 5): ?>
A is equal to 5
<?php endwhile;?> [/CODE]

also mysql_connect is not a good start... look into mysqli and prepared statements.

November 28, 2012

Just an FYI, alternative syntax makes mixing PHP and HTML easier:
[color=#000000][color=#0000BB]<?php while[/color][color=#007700]([/color][color=#0000BB]$a [/color][color=#007700]== [/color][color=#0000BB]5[/color][color=#007700]): [/color][color=#0000BB]?>[/color]
A is equal to 5
[color=#0000BB]<?php endwhile[/color][color=#007700]; [/color][color=#0000BB]?>[/color] [/color] [/CODE]
also mysql_connect is not a good start... look into mysqli and prepared statements.

Ok, thank you!

November 28, 2012

Also, if you want to save yourself a few hundred hours, check out Drupal 7 and Views. Based on what I've seen here, it's what you're heading towards anyway.

November 28, 2012

So long as the output is standards compliance, I don't see why not. PHP is just a server side scripting language and is not a standard.

November 29, 2012

I decided to proceed with writing my own very basic cms because I don't require a lot of features right away and I want full control of the code. I want to be able to control every aspect of how the system works and have full freedom to modify it. I just have one more quick question. Is it wise to use just one news.js and news.php script and have each page that is displaying news pass in its own category? If not, what would you recommend to generate each page's news? I appreciate all of your help.

November 29, 2012

I decided to proceed with writing my own very basic cms because I don't require a lot of features right away and I want full control of the code. I want to be able to control every aspect of how the system works and have full freedom to modify it. I just have one more quick question. Is it wise to use just one news.js and news.php script and have each page that is displaying news pass in its own category? If not, what would you recommend to generate each page's news? I appreciate all of your help.

Just FYI, if this is for fun, or to learn something, go right ahead. If this is going to end up on the web in some way... I'd argue it's a terrible idea. Basically, you have full control over any framework or CMS if you want it, but you also get the advantage of having someone track down bugs / build in security / make things easier for you, and provide an update path, which is fairly important in PHP.

As for your second question, yes, one script or function will always be better than multiples of them doing the same thing.

November 29, 2012

Just FYI, if this is for fun, or to learn something, go right ahead. If this is going to end up on the web in some way... I'd argue it's a terrible idea. Basically, you have full control over any framework or CMS if you want it, but you also get the advantage of having someone track down bugs / build in security / make things easier for you, and provide an update path, which is fairly important in PHP.

As for your second question, yes, one script or function will always be better than multiples of them doing the same thing.

Ok, thank you. I appreciate the help. It is actually for a church website that I am developing. Are there any good tutorials related for drupal in that case. I have no clue where to even begin. It has to be able to integrate with my website theme as well.

November 29, 2012

Drupal's documentation is pretty good. It might help to pick up a book (I've read through this one, it's good, but save some money and get an e-version) as it will have a good explanation of using views.

Just to clarify, I suggested Drupal because it looked like you were planning on display a lot of information drawn from a database, which Views is great for. I find Wordpress to be easier to use if you're just dealing with posts / pages. Either can be themed, and you can set up a child theme from a template to get up and running faster.

November 29, 2012

Drupal's documentation is pretty good. It might help to pick up a book (I've read through this one, it's good, but save some money and get an e-version) as it will have a good explanation of using views.

Just to clarify, I suggested Drupal because it looked like you were planning on display a lot of information drawn from a database, which Views is great for. I find Wordpress to be easier to use if you're just dealing with posts / pages. Either can be themed, and you can set up a child theme from a template to get up and running faster.

I am planning to display a lot of information actually. It is going to build up over time and consist of news, blog posts, and occasionally a letter from the pastor. In depth content management is very important. If I can get this to work well, it will free up a lot of time for me to create other custom components. Hopefully I can figure out Drupal and make it fit into my site.

November 29, 2012

I am planning to display a lot of information actually. It is going to build up over time and consist of news, blog posts, and occasionally a letter from the pastor. In depth content management is very important. If I can get this to work well, it will free up a lot of time for me to create other custom components. Hopefully I can figure out Drupal and make it fit into my site.

OK... then I would actually suggest Wordpress. :D It will be easier to theme, and easier to get others to add content to if that is ever the case in the future. For that I would recommend a book, as the Wordpress documentation can drive you crazy sometimes, although perhaps someone else can chime in with a good one, as I've sort of picked it up over time.

Drupal is better if you had, for example, a database of all the events for multiple churches in an area, and you wanted to be able to sort the events and see who was going to each event.

November 29, 2012

OK... then I would actually suggest Wordpress. :D It will be easier to theme, and easier to get others to add content to if that is ever the case in the future. For that I would recommend a book, as the Wordpress documentation can drive you crazy sometimes, although perhaps someone else can chime in with a good one, as I've sort of picked it up over time.

Drupal is better if you had, for example, a database of all the events for multiple churches in an area, and you wanted to be able to sort the events and see who was going to each event.

Well, after thorough research, it looks like I can't run drupal 7 on my godaddy hosting plan. I guess I am stuck coding it myself because I do need the site to be fully enabled for those advanced features at some point. It is going to continually evolve to include new features as time goes on. :) It isn't a news only site. That is just how it is going to be until I am able to add more to it.

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