[massive spoilers] Matrix 3

[Mark Otto]

Thanks very much,

just another question to clear all those thing:

1. That's why the Architect tells the Oracle that she took a big risk, but that it worked.

-What did you mean RISK ? What risk ?

2. At the end of movie, for THE MATRIX as we saw them. Is that version 7.0 or just sticky with 5.0 ?

please explain,

TIA

1. The risk was Neo letting smith take him over, to balance the "anomaly", and let both die, "equalizing" the matrix.

2. Its still the 3rd.

3rd? what the ****...its the 3rd movie right, and the like 6th matrix or something right?

[Kuja]

No, its the 3rd matrix. Its the 6th, anomaly (Neo).

Pay attention to what the Architect says in Reloaded.

Quote Brian Takle,

"ARCHITECT - I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

There have been five previous incarnations of Neo. This is similar to the Hindu god Indra being confronted by the fact that there have been countless previous Indras. It means: you are a part of something greater than yourself. There is also a tremendous significance in the fact that the present Neo is the sixth incarnation."

[Arch]

Here's my take on the solution; I'm wondering if anyone can see it like this?

Neo was created by the Architect to be the solution to a problem: what to do with those that didn't accept the Matrix as reality?, and this worked. As is told in Reloaded, Neo shows up repeatedly, and it always ended the same way.

Now, the Oracle, wanted there to be an end. So she was the one whom created Agent Smith. She added another player, so that the game would hopefully come to a stalemate. She could see into the future up to the point where she is absorbed by Smith, but after that, there were three possibilities: Stalemate/ Neo wins, or Smith wins. That was her risk, that the end wouldn't be even, and if Smith had won, there would have been nothing left.

One final point to back me up: the only thing that saved Zion was Smith being there. He was the one thing that Neo had to offer to the machines in order to gain peace.

[Kuja]

Neo was not created by anyone. He is the result of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. There where 5 other "Neo's", and they all did their job. They would return to the source, and the cycle would re-new. This one is different, Vis-a-vis, love. Smith and the other agents where always there, through all 6 "anomaly" appearances. They have been in the Matrix since its first creation, aka, listen to Smith's speach to Morpheous in Matrix 1.

[Arch]

...listen to Smith's speach to Morpheous in Matrix 1.

Hm, I think you got me there. I'll have to go by your word that he did say that he was there since the creation, sicne I can't quite remember.

[Kuja]

He does not use the exact words, "I've been here since the integration of the first Matrix". His speech is centered towards him being tired with all of this (he's been here for a while, and he's seen all the alterations and ilitarations of the "versions of the matrix's") He's bored, and he wants out. He's been there long enough to even conjur up revelations about humanity.

You also have to remember he was just a normal agent at the beginning. One of three. Because Neo killed (destroyed) him in that way, did he make a "connection" with Neo and his power. He came back because of his hatred and of the "link" he has with Neo. He's Neo's Negative image.

[userguy]

Thanks very much,

just another question to clear all those thing:

1. That's why the Architect tells the Oracle that she took a big risk, but that it worked.

-What did you mean RISK ? What risk ?

2. At the end of movie, for THE MATRIX as we saw them. Is that version 7.0 or just sticky with 5.0 ?

please explain,

TIA

1 - The Architect says it's a risk because if Neo hadn't been able to defeat Smith, Smith would have destroyed the Matrix and everyone in it, just like the Architect said would happen.

2 - That's a good question, one open to speculation. While the Matrix was balanced out with the removal of both Smith and Neo, Neo's code wasn't disseminated in the Matrix. It leaves open the question the Oracle stated, about whether or not they'd see Neo again. The question is, will they see Neo or another One?

I'd say that it is the next version of the Matrix, because even though Neo wasn't reinserted, the balance was restored, and the programming of the Matrix will eventually lead to the same problems that brought about the One in the first place.

[userguy]

The way i interperated it was that Smith combined with the oricle, who lied to smith about how it was going to end, just like how she lied to morpheus so that Smith would take the path that would lead to peace being restored. At the end Smith combined with Neo, so the machines had a direct link to Smith through Neos body, by killing Neo in the real world kills Smith, as Smith is a virus and has been terminated and Neo is dead, the oricale is the only one that survies. Plz correct me if ive misinterperated

I'd say that the reason the Oracle, Seraph and the little girl were back at the end was because although Smith was able to bind with them, he wasn't able to take them over completely.

Neo was not able to come back, though, because he and Smith were supposed to cancel each other out, and the program of the One could not function without a human (Neo), and Neo was killed.

[userguy]

They have been in the Matrix since its first creation, aka, listen to Smith's speach to Morpheous in Matrix 1.

I'm not sure I agree with that, but I'd have to think about this more. Although Smith does say he has been there since the beginning, there's little reason to believe that the machines (or in this case, the Oracle) couldn't create a program with knowledge of a specific history. It's entirely possible that the machines did make it a perfect world, and then went through the multiple incarnations of the present Matrix, but only programmed their programs with knowledge of the Matrix in which they currently exist and the initial "perfect" Matrix.

[Kuja]

If not since the first matrix, he has at least been through all of the 3rd Matrix. He has seen how humans "behave" throughout all these years, since the 3rd Matrix is a representation of 1999, therefore a fair representation of Humans, and how their "virus" like behaviours are exibited. He makes his little "revelation" too.

The Machines only created 3 matrix's. The first one, a perfect world, failed. The second, an acurate representation of the human world failed too. The architect, stumped because of his perfect mind, and how he only see's formula's, calculations, etc. (simplyfied, to him the matrix is math). The Oracle steps in (a studier of humans), and gives him the key to a working Matrix 3. Choice.

Choice creates the systemic anomally.

[+Warwagon MVC]

here is what I don't get.... we blacked out the sky so the machines would not get power.... now they use the bodies for the power.... why don't they just catch all the fricken lightning going on... I mean come on!.

[Kuja]

Its not a stable power source, and the machines cannot go into the clouds or above them.

[+Warwagon MVC]

well putting a key on the end of kite seemed to work pretty well for some one..