The Copyright Alert System

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

http://www.copyright...t-alert-system/

Today, there are many different ways to access digital entertainment like music, movies, TV shows, games and books. With so many options, it can be unclear what?s legal and what?s not.

Online copyright infringement (also called online piracy) has become a serious and growing problem. The Center for Copyright Information (CCI) was formed to educate consumers about the importance of copyright protection and to offer information about online copyright infringement. Our goal is to alleviate confusion and help Internet users find legal ways to enjoy the digital content they love.

Our members include artists and content creators like the members of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) as well as independent filmmakers and record producers represented by the Independent Film and Television Alliance (IFTA) and the American Association of Independent Music (A2IM), and 5 major Internet service providers ? AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and Verizon. Our leadership also includes an Advisory Board made up of consumer advocates, privacy specialists and technology policy experts.
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Controversial 6 strike anti-piracy system to roll out to most ISPs next week


Starting next week, most U.S. Internet users will be subject to a new copyright enforcement system that could slow the Internet to a crawl and force violators to take educational courses.

A source with direct knowledge of the Copyright Alert System (CAS), who asked not to be named, has told the Daily Dot that the five participating Internet service providers (ISPs) will start the controversial program Monday.

These include AT&T, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner, and Verizon with Comcast expected to be first Monday.

Take note that this is not designed to go after large scale pirates, many who are overseas, but instead goes after the casual user. This means you. It will issue escalating punishments reducing your connection speed after the 5th or 6th offense.

http://www.majorgeek...ry.php?id=37785

[Hum]

Sounds like ISPs will lose many customers, and the RIAA, MPAA will not see any increase in profits.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

What got me upset over this is that they are not going after the large pirates of Software but "Joe Bag o Donuts" who lives down the street. A normal user of the internet whose friend may be sending him something over one of these IM networks and this guy may get caught while there are people in China and other places making millions. Smart-go after the little guy.

[goatsniffer]

It's all about the money, not to ideal. You cannot sue Chinese pirates who sell copied content, but you can sue people in your own country and obtain money from them. Piracy won't stop but estimated losses will be recouped, which is what it's all about.

[ensiform]

Right, so rather than adopting with the times and actually fixing your political bullcrap mess that is with legal content distribution methods with really terrible restrictions we have to come to this. (Yes I'm talking about you TV networks and your inability to provide access to on demand/online viewing day after airing)

[Mr. Gibs]

Right, so rather than adopting with the times and actually fixing your political bullcrap mess that is with legal content distribution methods with really terrible restrictions we have to come to this. (Yes I'm talking about you TV networks and your inability to provide access to on demand/online viewing day after airing)

Of course not. Most of them have a monopoly and it's far too easy for them to get money anyways.

Why bother improving your service when most of the American public is happy (or they don't seem to give a crap) with being raped up the ass by their cable networks? And then you have the FCC who refuses to do anything about it thanks to lobbying and corporate interests.

Dish is like the only provider that seems to give a crap about their customers and look at what's happening to them. Cable networks are refusing to put their shows on dish because it cuts into their profits.

[ensiform]

Of course not. Most of them have a monopoly and it's far too easy for them to get money anyways.

Why bother improving your service when most of the American public is happy (or they don't seem to give a crap) with being raped up the ass by their cable networks?

Exactly, the whole thing is politics & money but Jill Lesser won't actually admit that though.

[trag3dy]

In before people getting sued for watching music videos on youtube.

[Mr. Gibs]

Exactly, the whole thing is politics & money but Jill Lesser won't actually admit that though.

The MPAA and RIAA need to go. They're pathetic and all they do is hold back technology while shoving their pockets full of money.

Maybe if they actually learnt the benefits of programs like Netflix, Spotify, Zune and got with the times piracy would actually decrease.

[primexx]

Is this voluntary for the ISPs?

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

It's all about the money, not to ideal. You cannot sue Chinese pirates who sell copied content, but you can sue people in your own country and obtain money from them. Piracy won't stop but estimated losses will be recouped, which is what it's all about.

No but all of their IP's can be blocked.

[LaP]

You know what is also a problem.

I want to have HBO to legally watch Game of Thrones.

You see the problem is to have HBO i need to have TMN instead of Super ?cran. Problem is i'm the only one to watch TV in english. So it's not possible to switch Super ?cran to TMN unless i want to give up on sex ... so it's impossible for me to get HBO and legally watch Game of Thrones.

So what ******* **** ******* option do i ******* have for *** ****.

****.

Those greedy ****** ******* ********. They want the butter and the money from it.

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Is this voluntary for the ISPs?

According to the source this is to "Educate" the consumer and make them aware of Copyright laws. With all of the crap going on in the world, they are doing this BS. My ISP is not on the list, but I feel like calling them and asking.

[FiB3R]

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

A slightly different point of view here:

I do not have cable TV (or satellite or fibre or som other paid-for delivery system). I do have broadband connections, but they are only for Internet usage (and, in some cases, telephone).

I do not use peer-to-peer file transfer networks to steal other companies intellectual property. I have a few programs (games) that use P2P mechanisms for updating themselves, but that's internal to the game client and does not involve any kind of copyright infringement.

If I want to watch something and it's not on Hulu, Vimeo or YouTube, I purchase the DVD or Blu-ray discs if I want to see it. For books and magazines, I can go to the bookstore and buy them, an online store like Amazon or Nook, or sometimes even directly to the publisher or author.

Personally, I look forward to having my Internet connection's speed, throughput and latency improve as the people who are abusing it through their criminal actions are kicked off.

Those are all going to improve after the infringers are removed from the equation and the networks are once again used for legitimate, legal activity, aren't they?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

[YounGMessiah]

No but all of their IP's can be blocked.

Exactly what I do, I block tons of ips...

Edit: Still laughing at the last guy who thinks his internet will be better with this passed...

[+Gary7 Subscriber²]

Hello,

A slightly different point of view here:

I do not have cable TV (or satellite or fibre or som other paid-for delivery system). I do have broadband connections, but they are only for Internet usage (and, in some cases, telephone).

I do not use peer-to-peer file transfer networks to steal other companies intellectual property. I have a few programs (games) that use P2P mechanisms for updating themselves, but that's internal to the game client and does not involve any kind of copyright infringement.

If I want to watch something and it's not on Hulu, Vimeo or YouTube, I purchase the DVD or Blu-ray discs if I want to see it. For books and magazines, I can go to the bookstore and buy them, an online store like Amazon or Nook, or sometimes even directly to the publisher or author.

Personally, I look forward to having my Internet connection's speed, throughput and latency improve as the people who are abusing it through their criminal actions are kicked off.

Those are all going to improve after the infringers are removed from the equation and the networks are once again used for legitimate, legal activity, aren't they?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

The problem is that nothing is done about the real theft. The Pirates that burn 1000 of those DVD's that you buy and sell them on the corner. So what to these geniuses do? Go after the the little guy, the guy that may not even be aware that what he or she is doing is illegal. I also see that you would rather watch Hulu or YouTube than have a TV. You also have multiple broadband connections. I find this very interesting......

[Tech085]

Go after your parents they're ignorant.

[#Michael]

I have a real problem with Comcast being part of this system. As part of the agreement with the DOJ with Comcast buying NBCU from GE they agreed to not throttle P2P traffic, not block popular websites, and not reduce bandwidth speeds. This is now exactly what they are doing...how is this not breaking major concessions and thus breaking some sort of contract with the DOJ?

I have family that works for GE/NBC and this is exactly why I tried very hard to have them vote against the buy out.

[Klownicle]

Things like this will bring us back to the times when it required actual knowlegde to do any of these activities. These days it is all to easy and that is why there is more publicity. Usenet is loaded with fake files, blatent names, and take down requests. Torrents have gone private. File Lockers have moved out of the US or shut their doors to any type of sharing. P2P is long dead, but old school DC++ still exists. Weed out the idiots I say.

The problem with companies these days is they arn't offering what the people want, so where else can they go? I do not support the people who do it just because.

[goretsky Supervisor]

Hello,

As far as I know, the MPAA/RIAA go after these folks, too. On the government side, though, things seem to bit more nuanced: I was in a workshop a couple of years ago with the federal prosecutor who handles high-tech crime in my region, and he indicated that they have little interest in prosecuting non-commercial infringement; there are other crimes which are higher priority to them. On the other hand, if anyone was engaging in some kind of commercial activity around the infringement (i.e., attempting to sell pirated movies, software and so forth) they would go after them and seek maximum penalties... in order to make an example out of them.

The solution, in any case, seems very simple to me: Don't take things which don't belong to you.

Whether that is a physical object (a disc) or something less tangible (a file) seems irrelevant to me.

My parents brought me up to respect other people's property, even if the other person in this case happens to be some sort of horrible company with a trade association that is less liked than blood-sucking parasites.

The secret to winning this war is actually quite simple. Don't pirate things. And don't buy them, either. That includes paying for paying for services like cable TV.

Fundamentally, this is an economic problem, not a legal one: You certainly cannot out-spend (including money spent on legislation and legislators) these creators of content you find so desirous. The only thing you can do to affect them is to vote with your dollars. If enough people choose not to pay them for whatever pablum they are offering, the content creators will be forced to seek new markets and methods of distribution, and that's when you'll get what you want.

I do occasionally watch videos on YouTube (my employer's are great, by the way) and some shows on Hulu (the free service, not the paid one). But, if there's something that's compelling enough for me to watch it in full, I'll get the discs for it. Frankly, though, I spend more time reading. And, yes, I have multiple residences so I have multiple broadband connections. Only one per location, though. Sorry if I was unclear on that.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

The problem is that nothing is done about the real theft. The Pirates that burn 1000 of those DVD's that you buy and sell them on the corner. So what to these geniuses do? Go after the the little guy, the guy that may not even be aware that what he or she is doing is illegal. I also see that you would rather watch Hulu or YouTube than have a TV. You also have multiple broadband connections. I find this very interesting......

[#Michael]

Hello,

As far as I know, the MPAA/RIAA go after these folks, too. On the government side, though, things seem to bit more nuanced: I was in a workshop a couple of years ago with the federal prosecutor who handles high-tech crime in my region, and he indicated that they have little interest in prosecuting non-commercial infringement; there are other crimes which are higher priority to them. On the other hand, if anyone was engaging in some kind of commercial activity around the infringement (i.e., attempting to sell pirated movies, software and so forth) they would go after them and seek maximum penalties... in order to make an example out of them.

The solution, in any case, seems very simple to me: Don't take things which don't belong to you.

Whether that is a physical object (a disc) or something less tangible (a file) seems irrelevant to me.

My parents brought me up to respect other people's property, even if the other person in this case happens to be some sort of horrible company with a trade association that is less liked than blood-sucking parasites.

The secret to winning this war is actually quite simple. Don't pirate things. And don't buy them, either. That includes paying for paying for services like cable TV.

Fundamentally, this is an economic problem, not a legal one: You certainly cannot out-spend (including money spent on legislation and legislators) these creators of content you find so desirous. The only thing you can do to affect them is to vote with your dollars. If enough people choose not to pay them for whatever pablum they are offering, the content creators will be forced to seek new markets and methods of distribution, and that's when you'll get what you want.

I do occasionally watch videos on YouTube (my employer's are great, by the way) and some shows on Hulu (the free service, not the paid one). But, if there's something that's compelling enough for me to watch it in full, I'll get the discs for it. Frankly, though, I spend more time reading. And, yes, I have multiple residences so I have multiple broadband connections. Only one per location, though. Sorry if I was unclear on that.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

That's all well and good. But here is the problem with the new CAS...the entertainment industry and the ISPs cannot determine without a reasonable doubt that it was you or me that was involved in electronic copyright infringement. IP or MAC spoofing, open wifi, etc...are going to prevent this. Also, not one law enforcement agency is part of this new system. Therefore, this CAS is not acting within one local/state/federal law and they are acting as a private security force. This is nothing short of extortion.

[Alwaysonacoffebreak]

You know what is also a problem.

I want to have HBO to legally watch Game of Thrones.

You see the problem is to have HBO i need to have TMN instead of Super ?cran. Problem is i'm the only one to watch TV in english. So it's not possible to switch Super ?cran to TMN unless i want to give up on sex ... so it's impossible for me to get HBO and legally watch Game of Thrones.

So what ******* **** ******* option do i ******* have for *** ****.

****.

Those greedy ****** ******* ********. They want the butter and the money from it.

Aren't you a fun guy to be around Mister *****.

[sathenzar]

If these people were smart they'd create a service reasonable like netflix or partner up with them. I'd be more than happy to pay a small fee each month (even sign up for a year) to watch shows on my computer.

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

a few weeks ago i heard a very blunt conversation on NPR. The host was interviewing a spokeswoman from TWC about this issue.

They got talking about Strikes 1-4. Basically, nothing happens. They might send you a letter, or put something on a website 'educating' you about piracy. At Strike 5, they make you sign a form and will throttle your connection. Same for Strike 6. Somewhere in this process they make you take an online course about piracy. Even after 6 strikes, TWC will do nothing. They will temporarily throttle your connection, but will not cancel your subscription or report you to the Feds. TWC will not risk losing a customer.

So, you could get 30 strikes and TWC will still do nothing further than throttle.

The Host of the show even asked the woman: "what can you do about people using such things as a VPN to hide their activity?" The woman said "nothing."

(edit) thinking further about this - what is the MPAA, etc going to do about people using free, open, public wifi to download material?