Secure Boot complaint filed against Microsoft

[articuno1au]

I know a couple of implementations offer revocation of third party keys, I've heard rumour some allow revocation of the master key and both of these cases allow for the addition of your own keys.

Your objection appears to be that some corporations want to control the entire signing process.. Something that no OEMs ever offered, and none offer despite MS getting them half way (I bet some allow the revocation of the primary signing key, but I've never bothered to look).. The issue of course being that Windows will object to a different signature on their binaries when it loads up.. So even if it was possible, you couldn't do it with Windows 8 >.>

You seem to want something that completely defies the point of the secure boot system :\

Also, I've yet to find a single business customer with a concern about the signing key in secure boot. Most of them don't care full stop. >.>

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

whats your motherboard type?

i would like to recommend it to some client,

as most Secure Boot capable motherboard i've seen, doesn't allow you to installing your own keys easily,

some said that user can change the key during Firmware Updates,

which mean the key must be specified somewhere in the firmware binaries!

...

Sabertooth Z77

It's not a low end mobo, and that's probably why it's more flexible in that regard.

[tkaw220]

That explains it. His is 5/22/12 I guess I should email acer for a download of an updated bios.

You can download the latest BIOS from http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers.

[redvamp128]

You can download the latest BIOS from http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/drivers.

I am. Seeing this now...thanks.. this was not an option sept of last year.... seems that is why in oct they released an updated one. Now have to teach him how to flash it... he is on assignment in germany now. He won't be back for another month. He said he still wants 7 win8 he says is sluggish.

[HawkMan]

I had a friend bring me his All in one with Windows 8

Acer Aspire AZS600-UR15

and wanted me to install Windows 7 on it- there was no option to turn off the check.

Windows 7 would pretend like it would install then at the point of installing boot loader - Fail- even when I placed a fresh drive int the machine.

It would not let it write to the boot sector.

I looked and there was nothing -- the only options were - to control boot order- check for extra hard drives and turn to compatibility mode.

I had to end up restoring the Windows 8.

Actually, I could think of a number of other reasons for that happening except Secure Boot. especially since the computer already allowed changing boot order and changing boot device.

So a user should be content with a system that lags? then? And they want to run a lower OS? - Priceless-

And upgrade of processor is not a valid option since it is a cpu/gpu built into an all in one .

Or you should be stuck with something they don't like then?

If Windows 8 lags, then it's either a so slow computer it'll lag on 7 as well, unlikely if it's a new computer, or there's something wrong with the computer and his techie friend should have known that instead of instantly blaming Windows 8 because he has a personal non rational hate for it, those are the things that make you unable to properly troubleshoot problems. you need objectivity.

[HawkMan]

I am. Seeing this now...thanks.. this was not an option sept of last year.... seems that is why in oct they released an updated one. Now have to teach him how to flash it... he is on assignment in germany now. He won't be back for another month. He said he still wants 7 win8 he says is sluggish.

Again, if his computer is sluggish, windows 7 isn't going to fix that, since no part of 8 is slower than 7, and many parts are in fact faster. so if it's sluggish something else is wrong.

and again, while your old bios didn't have the option to turn on secure boot, it was never on in the first place as has been explained to you, if it was on, it wouldn't have prevented writing the boot loaded, it would have prevented starting it and it wouldn't have allowed USB/CD boot. So there must be something else preventing writing the boot loader.

[redvamp128]

Again, if his computer is sluggish, windows 7 isn't going to fix that, since no part of 8 is slower than 7, and many parts are in fact faster. so if it's sluggish something else is wrong.

and again, while your old bios didn't have the option to turn on secure boot, it was never on in the first place as has been explained to you, if it was on, it wouldn't have prevented writing the boot loaded, it would have prevented starting it and it wouldn't have allowed USB/CD boot. So there must be something else preventing writing the boot loader.

It is not mine....the installer booted it only got as far as preparing.... failed on any hard drive writes..in an effort to fix the sluggushness ..I did a factory restore of it...when he bought it the literature he had said "now with secure boot" but we found no way to turn that off. That was september of last year.. when the user said sluggish he is talking about bsimpleb tasks like surfing the web. IE is what he said was slow and he did not like the tiles ... to him it is sluggish... I merely tried to give him what he needed. ...and I also tried which I know someone is going to say.. with and without the option of setup mode enabled and disabled. The booklet said it had secure boot... but no choice to go into advanced mode nor authenticate.....which the other person with the oct bios screen shows. That when he gets back we will flash it and try it again. I even tried one of my spare drives thinking it was something installed on his hard drive. That drive of mine I had wiped it and still no os other than 8 refused to install. So what else than a secure boot that his booklet said it had that was blocking it. Also on that spare drive I tried 7 .linux and then a copy of 8 which was the only one that would write to that spare drive. So please tell me what else it could be? I ended up putting his old one in and did a factory restore to help fix it. Then installed all updates.

[MDboyz]

Don't blame MS on that. Blame it on Linux not working with OEM to produce more Linux computers. Also, I thought Linux are mostly techy. They can just build the computer for themselves.

The other thing to look at is -- people say "BUY a Linux Computer" well that limits the choices and those choices are not very strong computers.

Other than -

https://www.system76.com

But still there are not a lot of options- They don't even offer any AMD chip-sets.

[articuno1au]

Again, if his computer is sluggish, windows 7 isn't going to fix that, since no part of 8 is slower than 7, and many parts are in fact faster. so if it's sluggish something else is wrong.

and again, while your old bios didn't have the option to turn on secure boot, it was never on in the first place as has been explained to you, if it was on, it wouldn't have prevented writing the boot loaded, it would have prevented starting it and it wouldn't have allowed USB/CD boot. So there must be something else preventing writing the boot loader.

There are a number of fringe cases where in 8 performs significantly worse than 7 on certain hardware configurations.

In particular there are a number of issues with how the OS communicates with storage devices that causes repeated interrupts and makes the OS run like proverbial ass >.>

I don't know how MS buggered that one up tbh D:

[majortom1981]

Even the knowledgeable ones (Timothy Lottes for one example) seem to believe MS did it just to block competition. I'm really not sure what to think of these people.

How are they blocking the competition when you can just go into your bios and turn secureboot off?

[articuno1au]

Way to read the thread man >.<

Especially given Deranged shares your stance but in advance of you..

[+Red King Subscriber²]

So a user should be content with a system that lags? then? And they want to run a lower OS? - Priceless-

And upgrade of processor is not a valid option since it is a cpu/gpu built into an all in one .

Or you should be stuck with something they don't like then?

If the system lags that a simple case of a problem between chair and keyboard or HW failure.

Otherwise, yes to all.

Don't like it? Send it back while it is still in warranty.

If some idiot didn't research say the fact that you cannot upgrade a laptop's CPU, no one is to blame except that idiot.

I mean, you buy things by looking for qualities you want and reading reviews.

[redvamp128]

If the system lags that a simple case of a problem between chair and keyboard or HW failure.

Otherwise, yes to all.

Don't like it? Send it back while it is still in warranty.

Hhhe

If some idiot didn't research say the fact that you cannot upgrade a laptop's CPU, no one is to blame except that idiot.

I mean, you buy things by looking for qualities you want and reading reviews.

He bought it because it was the latest and he later found he did not liike win8. The reviews were good on it 9/10 liked it. He liked everthing but the os.

If the system lags that a simple case of a problem between chair and keyboard or HW failure.

Otherwise, yes to all.

Don't like it? Send it back while it is still in warranty.

Hhhe

If some idiot didn't research say the fact that you cannot upgrade a laptop's CPU, no one is to blame except that idiot.

I mean, you buy things by looking for qualities you want and reading reviews.

He bought it because it was the latest and he later found he did not liike win8. The reviews were good on it 9/10 liked it. He liked everthing but the os.

[spaceelf]

There are a number of fringe cases where in 8 performs significantly worse than 7 on certain hardware configurations.

In particular there are a number of issues with how the OS communicates with storage devices that causes repeated interrupts and makes the OS run like proverbial ass >.>

I don't know how MS buggered that one up tbh D:

I assume certain storage driver models were deprecated (the ones that call your devices SCSI for example) though I have no direct experience with this. It also may have just been a bug that was fixed already. Network drivers were similarly disappointing at launch and I can't say what's up with that, had to change mine from the defaults as fast as possible.

I still have an awful experience with a lot of current antivirus programs I've tried in 8 too with WinRT apps loading incredibly slow and such, and I wonder if other people are lashing out about that.