Kinect 2 DRM limits viewing to set amount of people in room

[shakey]

Hypothetically, say they do implement something like this. What stops people from just turning their Kinect to face a wall and not look at the people actually watching the movie?

Screw that. Turn it to a wall where you either have figures of yourself cut out of cardboard or painted on the wall. That way it thinks 1 person is watching, when really, many could be in the room.

[jerzdawg]

Does anyone actually know of any program or movie that limits the number of users? Only thing I can think of is in the us and it only pertains to sports bars and the nfl Sunday ticket where you pay for a certain number of patrons that will be watching.

[George P Global Moderator]

Does anyone actually know of any program or movie that limits the number of users? Only thing I can think of is in the us and it only pertains to sports bars and the nfl Sunday ticket where you pay for a certain number of patrons that will be watching.

Not that I know of either, but since you bring up those examples and as said the kinect2 will be used outside of the Xbox One as well like the first then the patent in question, if used, could be in situations like that where those type of rules might apply. As for the home? I don't see where it will or who would dare to try and pull that sorta move.

[MightyJordan]

so they have a patent and may or may not implement it? Theres no info on the amount of people it restricts, for all we know its to prevent someone making a movie theatre in their basement that fits 50 people and profiting from that.

They could probably get away with that, anyway, as the new Kinect "only" tracks up to 6 people. :p

[George P Global Moderator]

They could probably get away with that, anyway, as the new Kinect "only" tracks up to 6 people. :p

Just shows how much they've improved the technology. The first one would do full body for 2 people iirc? Now if they can fully track up to 6 to the degree they've shown so far that's a big jump.

[xendrome]

So Kinect 2 is able to track 2 people turns into headline of "Limits people able to view"... man that's really digging, It's crazy how much hatred and FUD is spread from people who don't like a specific brand or product.

[MightyJordan]

Just shows how much they've improved the technology. The first one would do full body for 2 people iirc? Now if they can fully track up to 6 to the degree they've shown so far that's a big jump.

All I really care about is seeing if they've reduced the lag down to properly playable levels. Well, that and the reduction in playing space so you no longer need, to quote Ashens, a "living room the size of a f***ing village hall to use it in". :p I know they've said the playing space requirement is reduced with Kinect 2, but they haven't said by how much.

[pack34]

If this is implemented, as long as it's a high enough number I don't really care. Just like music on the radio, if you broadcast to a large enough audience you don't pay the standard consumer price anymore.

[George P Global Moderator]

It's been shown that the new device has a wider FOV and can work if you're closer to it. I don't have the exact distance close you can be off the top of my head though but I'm sure it's out there. There's a video you can see that shows it.

[Torolol]

theres simple solution, you are not to use xbox-1 to watch any licensed materials, use the korean devices instead.

[vcfan]

there goes that argument. Microsoft just confirmed Kinect can be turned off and will have privacy settings.

[BajiRav]

there goes that argument. Microsoft just confirmed Kinect can be turned off and will have privacy settings.

where?

[MightyJordan]

where?

Kotaku, from what a quick Google search tells me.

[BajiRav]

Kotaku, from what a quick Google search tells me.

Ugh...Kotaku...OK. I guess I'd wait for a more reliable source. Major Nelson has more credibility than them in my books.

I also like how their article starts with "The state of confusion around the new Xbox One console is such that we're delighted..." knowing that they were on the forefront of the FUD that came out last week. :laugh:

[xendrome]

Major Nelson has more credibility than them in my books.

I'd hope the guy who's title is "Director of Programming" at Microsoft for the XBox Live system would have more credibility for sure..

[BajiRav]

I'd hope the guy who's title is "Director of Programming" at Microsoft for the XBox Live system would have more credibility for sure..

:laugh: true.

[McKay]

I heard something else too. I heard that if you disconnect Kinect from the Xbox one you can't turn on the TV!

I can't imagine that! That is communism!

Usually your demented ramblings about religion are enough to make me doubt your intelligence. But can I ask you to clarify how Kinect being required to be plugged in, is the same as a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production?

[vcfan]

Ugh...Kotaku...OK. I guess I'd wait for a more reliable source. Major Nelson has more credibility than them in my books.

I also like how their article starts with "The state of confusion around the new Xbox One console is such that we're delighted..." knowing that they were on the forefront of the FUD that came out last week. :laugh:

yeah,kotaku has been the one spreading most of this misleading information from the beginning,to save face from pushing the always online rumor so hard, but these comments are directly from Microsoft.

[George P Global Moderator]

Well, this is more or less another overblown rumor put to rest I'd say. People like to overreact at anything todays it seems. If it has a number of settings to customize then that's the best for those who might want to turn different things off and limit it to specific situations.

[BajiRav]

Usually your demented ramblings about religion are enough to make me doubt your intelligence. But can I ask you to clarify how Kinect being required to be plugged in, is the same as a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production?

Xbox One: You are the communist.

[FiB3R]

So Kinect 2 is able to track 2 people turns into headline of "Limits people able to view"... man that's really digging, It's crazy how much hatred and FUD is spread from people who don't like a specific brand or product.

It can 'track' 6 people accurately. How many it could identify, we don't know.

Are you referring to me, with regards to hatred and FUD and a dislike for a specific brand? I reported a story from a reputable source. I've lived and breathed xbox for the last 7 years, though not so much these days, been kinds busy with other stuff.

http://about.me/DARKFiB3R

[Yogurtmaster]

Usually your demented ramblings about religion are enough to make me doubt your intelligence. But can I ask you to clarify how Kinect being required to be plugged in, is the same as a socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production?

You can doubt my intelligence all you want. Like I care about some random kid on the Internet that worries about my intelligence.

I was exaggerating and making fun of some of the ignorance. It wasn't supposed to make sense and that was the point. I guess you didn't get that. Whoops.

[sagum]

[*]Games are tied to user profiles, but anyone on the console a game was installed on can play it.

[*]We haven't heard clarification on persistent Internet requirements or used games.

I wonder if we'll be able to 'lend' our games to friends, much like you can lend ebooks to friends.

The internet requirement may not be needed as always on, but to de-authorise your copy while giving access to a friend until you re-authorise it back on your account. Of course you'd need to be online to de-auth your xbox/account and allow them to use it. It would make argument for letting friends borrow your games less of an issue, even if it was limited amounts of times you could do it. once a month/30 days between lends or once per friend.

there goes that argument. Microsoft just confirmed Kinect can be turned off and will have privacy settings.

Problem is, we don't know if it'll be a requirement to agree to have Kinect turned on to view restricted content either. Microsoft can give you the option to turn Kinect off, but at the cost of not being able to view certain videos.

As for the patent, and viewing restrictions.... I think I'll just stick with a Roku and my Plex library.

[Matrix XII]

I'm kind of surprised how many of you are defending Microsoft's new strategies. I've been reading lots of different forums and mainly people are disgusted with Microsoft's new business model.

Before the reveal I already had money set aside for the new console. Now, there no way I'm buying this thing. If Sony follows suit, I'm not getting either one and just stick to PC gaming.

Their attempt at a draconian stranglehold on their customers puts me right off, but the worst of it is the mandatory kinect 2.0 install for the console to work. That is absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps some people don't care about their privacy being blatantly breached, but I bet you will see many people decide that they have gone too far with this requirement.

I have been an Xbox supporter since November 2001. I have owned every Xbox console and LIVE on launch day, but this is the time where I will no longer support the Xbox ecosystem. It's a shame because the 360 is an amazing console. They just totally lost their direction with the X1.

[dead.cell]

I'm kind of surprised how many of you are defending Microsoft's new strategies. I've been reading lots of different forums and mainly people are disgusted with Microsoft's new business model.

Before the reveal I already had money set aside for the new console. Now, there no way I'm buying this thing. If Sony follows suit, I'm not getting either one and just stick to PC gaming.

Their attempt at a draconian stranglehold on their customers puts me right off, but the worst of it is the mandatory kinect 2.0 install for the console to work. That is absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps some people don't care about their privacy being blatantly breached, but I bet you will see many people decide that they have gone too far with this requirement.

I have been an Xbox supporter since November 2001. I have owned every Xbox console and LIVE on launch day, but this is the time where I will no longer support the Xbox ecosystem. It's a shame because the 360 is an amazing console. They just totally lost their direction with the X1.

Totally agree with you. It's worth noting how livid people would be if the Xbox One platform was developed by Google, instead of Microsoft. This whole "Scroogled" campaign would lead people to believe almost for a second that Microsoft doesn't care about user data. Anyone with two brain cells can put together how valuable user data is today, and how big of an impact it can have for a company.

If I recall correctly, there were articles posted around this time last year regarding the Kinect being able to watch your behavior, determining gender, mood, and reactions to such things as the shows you watch, or more importantly, how you respond to the advertisements you see. I've heard a few stories around the web even from people who have worked with marketing or advertising agencies having this capability marketed to them, as a means of improving their business. It's a scary thought to be quite frank, and even if Microsoft says today they have no plans of using the technology in that manner, it's still unsettling seeing as we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Furthermore, all the technologies their patenting today or even a year ago make me feel like this will become similar to that of Facebook, where you sacrifice your personal information for free or "cheap" access to content.

Overall, I have this "it's not that bad" feeling left in my mouth, much akin to a carnie rushing you to get on a ride that's "perfectly safe" as you realize your seatbelt is only hanging on by a few threads...